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EE: Do you think there's any chance of a revival for Sharons characterisa...
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vaslav37
14-09-2013
Ronnie is not the saviour of the show either.

No actor is greater than the show itself.
klendathu
14-09-2013
The character is dead and buried . Its all over IMO

Cause of characterisation death :: Lorraine Newman and her wonderful team of writers
priscilla
14-09-2013
I personally don't think she can be revived and I don't think moving her in the Vic going to change anything. Firstly she should have never been paired up with Jack and I think Denny just weighing her character down.
Deschanel
14-09-2013
Every character can be saved - it just takes time and effort on the writers part.

If they can write them into a corner, then they can write them out. Unless, they commit some heinous act that can't be redeemed, then off they must go. But Sharon has not done such a thing, she's just been written badly.

If DTC is invested in Sharon, he'll fix her, but if he isn't, then she'll continue down this path of destruction.

Sharon really needs to connect with the other characters; she needs to be involved with the Beales. Denise and Dot. While I think she would suit the Vic, it wouldn't be a good time right now. She needs purpose and direction. I also think it would be too predictable to make her enemies with Ronnie, and I think they'd work great as frenemies / allies (like Denise & Zainab). I could so see them teaming up against Carl. I also think a Sharon/Joey fling would work well in showing her fun side again, while exploring her psychologically, too. There's so much that could be done with Sharon. It just needs to happen.
thejoyof_pat
14-09-2013
why did Sharon pick a black wedding dress to marry Jack? I know this is unrelated but I was travelling during that time and the episode just appeared on YT. She looks freaking awful, such a bad choice.
vald
14-09-2013
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Ronnie and Roxy were created by DTC so I think he's going to look on them more fondly because he is more invested in their characters.

That being said, he'd be a fool not to recognise Sharon's heritage on the Square, but I just don't think Letitia is strong enough as an actress to pull of a big storyline at the moment. They tested the waters with the pill addiction storyline and she was frankly terrible in it. It doesn't help that the writing hasn't been great, but DTC has more experience in this area, so I'm expecting an improvement in the writing for all the characters in his era.

But I think Sharon fans need to start getting used to the fact that she isn't the saviour of the show. She has history in the Square and she has had more than her fair share of moments, but right now the character is weak, so it's time for other characters to take the lead.”

I think this is an important point. I would say that the insistence from some that she should be at the centre of the show has fuelled even more resentment for the character. There are new favourites in the show now and some great actors and characters, they should not have to take a back seat or be axed (as I have seen some suggest) just to accommodate Sharon. She must earn her stripes just like anyone else and stop strutting about as if she owns the place.
Petro
14-09-2013
They storylines involving Sharon since her return have been weak and pointless and in my opinion, the writing has been sloppy and uninteresting. This is not just a problem with Sharon though, a lot of characters have lost their edge. I hope the writing improves, you can tell the EE writers have upped their game in recent weeks but they need to do this across the board, not just concentrating on the dramatics of a storyline but on the intricacies which are just as important, they bind the characters into a sense of community and emphasise the continuity
MuddyMoose
14-09-2013
I want to thank you PP for this thread because you know what it did, it made me go and search for old Sharon clips. And i've had an enjoyable last hour going through some old episodes. You just need one clip to make you realise what an Iconic British Soap Character she is.

I don't know if you're allowed to put you tube clips on here, but look for any Peggy Vs Sharon clip, any Sharon and Grant clips, or the two episodes titled "Eposide EastEnders Phil and Grant returns" and you understand stand why so many people are fond of her.

It also makes you realise what an abysmal state the character has been taken to at this moment. It's terrible, and just for this reason alone Lorraine Newman deserved to go.

Letitia Dean may not be the greatest actress but she knows Sharon and she does her well. Give her the storylines and the airtime and she makes it work. So they can revive the character, if they don't or won't they should kill her off. Ruining her, really ruins Eastenders.
KatrinaK
15-09-2013
Quote:
“I just don't think Letitia is strong enough as an actress to pull of a big storyline at the moment. They tested the waters with the pill addiction storyline and she was frankly terrible in it.”

The pill story is a poor example as the execution, writting and development of it was awful. Letitia was bad in it, I agree, but like I said in another thread, Letitia is one of those actresses that - when the source material is right - she hits it right out of the ball park. However if the material isn't right, she's either medicore or at times, awful. Therefore, IMO, she is not the best or the most consistent actress on the show come and gone over the years. However she has proved her worth in the past with Sharongate, the return of her dead father and Dennis's death. This can't be overlooked just because she's been poor this past 12 months or so.


I agree that right now her character is weak but thats purely down to how she's been developed and written. There has been little respect for her history, her characterisation or her storylines. So much could have been made from her pill story but it was bad from start, middle to end.


I agree with another poster that recasting Vicki or bringing in her biological siblings would be a good way of developing her through this era. I also agree with another poster about the Vic. Putting her in there is not going to solve anything. Not a single thing. She won't be become great or lovable again. That will only happen when tptb get her right, start intergrating her with other characters and give her some interesting and character-driven stories. I also loath seeing her in R&R these days. Angie's Den, it no longer is. That place is a hole. I'd honestly rather see her running the cafe at this stage!
cooler
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Keibro:
“It can happen for sure. She has been neglected so badly in the past year, it would make you wonder how they convinced Letitia to come back at all. I can't imagine Newman in her meeting "Right Letitia, well have a huge summer of love and warmth in Albert Square. Basically you will figure into this....quite little actually, but we will allude to you having a serious drug problem. Your working hours will be minimal, we're going to pair you up with Ava, and all you need to do is wobble your head, pout and pop your eyes out a bit, whilst being a high and mighty cow about your son and looking down your nose at the other ladies of Walford"”

You will also almost get hitched up to the local plank, but he will ditch you at the alter. Your son will also eat biscuits in the kitchen.
Zack06
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by vald:
“I think this is an important point. I would say that the insistence from some that she should be at the centre of the show has fuelled even more resentment for the character. There are new favourites in the show now and some great actors and characters, they should not have to take a back seat or be axed (as I have seen some suggest) just to accommodate Sharon. She must earn her stripes just like anyone else and stop strutting about as if she owns the place.”

I agree with you vald, I think this feeling that Sharon should be more important than other characters is a bit unfounded. She's no more important than Ian, Phil, Dot etc, I don't see why people keep demanding that she has to have preferential treatment, especially in her current stint where Letitia's acting has been so bad. The show gave her focus but she didn't pull her weight.

But, I do agree that there is a problem with the writing for the character, but I don't think it's totally the fault of the writers. The main cause and root of all the problems with Sharon's current stint is that, like Kat and Alfie, there is just no reason for her to be on the Square. However where the writers undid Kat and Alfie's happy ending in 2005 and integrated them back into the Square, Sharon has not been integrated. In fact her personality has changed in a way which actually distances herself from other characters more. Case in point, Ava, Ronnie and soon to be Dot. The writers are doing her no favours, and as I said in another thread, when you combine this with Letitia's terrible acting, it's a recipe for disaster.
KatrinaK
15-09-2013
I don't think Sharon should get special treatment but the viewers who have watched her over the decades will notice how unrecognisable she has become and will naturally be annoyed about her treatment. We had same threads concerning Kat when she returned.

This is not the Sharon we know.

It goes without saying that every character should be written and developed right but currently, its Sharon who is being the most assasinated. I'm sure for the newer viewers who don't know her from adam don't give a fig about her and I can't blame them.
PrincessPerfect
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“The pill story is a poor example as the execution, writting and development of it was awful. Letitia was bad in it, I agree, but like I said in another thread, Letitia is one of those actresses that - when the source material is right - she hits it right out of the ball park. However if the material isn't right, she's either medicore or at times, awful. Therefore, IMO, she is not the best or the most consistent actress on the show come and gone over the years. However she has proved her worth in the past with Sharongate, the return of her dead father and Dennis's death. This can't be overlooked just because she's been poor this past 12 months or so.


I agree that right now her character is weak but thats purely down to how she's been developed and written. There has been little respect for her history, her characterisation or her storylines. So much could have been made from her pill story but it was bad from start, middle to end.


I agree with another poster that recasting Vicki or bringing in her biological siblings would be a good way of developing her through this era. I also agree with another poster about the Vic. Putting her in there is not going to solve anything. Not a single thing. She won't be become great or lovable again. That will only happen when tptb get her right, start intergrating her with other characters and give her some interesting and character-driven stories. I also loath seeing her in R&R these days. Angie's Den, it no longer is. That place is a hole. I'd honestly rather see her running the cafe at this stage!”

My thoughts exactly
Cuddly_Cat
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by bass55:
“I don't think Alfie will be in the Vic much longer. After all, he is not even in charge any more, Roxy is. When he inevitably dumps Roxy for Kat, do you think Phil is going to see his own cousin out on the street? No way. Roxy will be staying put.”

I think Ronnie and Roxy should be put into the Vic. Ronnie has done her time and she's doing things for Phil since her come back and has done them well. Ronnie is a strong feisty woman who would do well in the Vic.
Originally Posted by Keibro:
“I'm glad this week has shown a meaner, more manipulative side to Alfie. I think we all know he has been stringing Roxy along since day 1, probably hoping he will get over Kat and love Roxy in the same way. But it hasn't happened and won't happen either.

He is out of order telling Roxy to choose, and for her to choose him, only to be dumped a while later. I hope we see Alfie get a bit of backlash for a change, hopefully from Ronnie and the Mitchells. I think the Kat and Alfie era in the Vic is over. Kat hasn't lived at the Vic for months, and Jean is going next week. If they are looking to rebuild the Mitchells, I'd say put them back in the Vic.”

I agree with putting the Mitchells back in the Vic. Alfie should be cast out. If it's true Shane Ritchie said he'd leave EE if he's taken out of the Vic then they should let him go. I think feisty Ronnie would bring Roxy out of her shell and they would work well together fronting the Vic.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“I agree with you vald, I think this feeling that Sharon should be more important than other characters is a bit unfounded. She's no more important than Ian, Phil, Dot etc, I don't see why people keep demanding that she has to have preferential treatment, especially in her current stint where Letitia's acting has been so bad. The show gave her focus but she didn't pull her weight.

But, I do agree that there is a problem with the writing for the character, but I don't think it's totally the fault of the writers. The main cause and root of all the problems with Sharon's current stint is that, like Kat and Alfie, there is just no reason for her to be on the Square. However where the writers undid Kat and Alfie's happy ending in 2005 and integrated them back into the Square, Sharon has not been integrated. In fact her personality has changed in a way which actually distances herself from other characters more. Case in point, Ava, Ronnie and soon to be Dot. The writers are doing her no favours, and as I said in another thread, when you combine this with Letitia's terrible acting, it's a recipe for disaster.”

I agree with this. Sharon's going downhill isn't simply the fault of the writers but is down to her acting which has been really bad. Also the character no longer has any real place in the Square. It is, in my opinion, time for her to leave.
KatrinaK
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“My thoughts exactly ”

Thanks.

I feel that with Sharon tptb have got it wrong pretty much from the word go.

Mistake no1 was having her jilt her fiance and turn up at Phil's door step. It went all downhill from there.

I believe that was Kirkwood wanting to make a statement :yawn:

A much more low key return would have worked. I believe Sharon returning to support Ian through his illness would have not only been more interesting and watchable but would have also allowed new viewers to get to "know" Sharon.
Broken_Arrow
15-09-2013
Short answer, no. With the right people on the production team it could happen. But the right people are not on the team and haven't been for years. Letitia might stick it out until the 30th anniversary but I doubt Sharon will last beyond that. They have destroyed a brilliant character.
vaslav37
15-09-2013
Letitia Dean Fans on Twitter and yes I am a fan are tweeting DTC to sort out Sharon and asking why has this iconic character been treated so badly.

There are many Letitia Dean Fans on Twitter and we know DTC is on there himself.
los.kav
15-09-2013
I was wondering if/when Poppy moves out of Dot's, would Sharon and Denny benefit from living there instead? Denny clearly needs stability and a firm hand and June Brown always works well with kids, in my opinion.

And now that it's been mentioned, I quite like the idea of Sharon running the cafe. I mean, Ian is her oldest friend and with Lucy working for Janine now, he needs help and I think she needs a job away from Phil.
performingmonk
15-09-2013
Sharon should be in the Vic. Get rid of Alfie, his time has come to an end.
lilirose
15-09-2013
The problem with Sharon is that she no longer fits in the square. All the possible roles she could have are now more fitted to other characters i.e. mother figure to Ian’s children which is now Denise.
Maybe they need to bring some family for her, but as it stands Sharon’s character has no impact on anyone in the square, so she feels like a spare part.

And I am not sure whether there would be any rescuing if Letitia doesn’t up her game. She goes from mediocre to awful. EE has so many strong actresses who are miles ahead in the acting stakes compared to Letitia and all worthy of being lading ladies as they can pull off storylines.
Maybe with the right material she can be better although that is debatable as I thought she was at best mediocre the last time she was in EE too and there were many times when the character was very unlikeable.

Some actors hold their own even through bad writing.
It would be great if they revive her character but it will take a great deal of effort.
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