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Old 14-09-2013, 23:55
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How long does it take to upgrade a mast which already has 2g 900 and 3G 2100 to also have 3G 900 ?

Would it be a few days, weeks, months ? (I mean the physical work on site - if planning etc has already been granted)

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Old 15-09-2013, 00:23
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about 10 years but the looks of it
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Old 15-09-2013, 00:54
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Well O2 and Vodafone started using it 2 years ago. My advice is don't hold your breath and I consider wrexham103.4 estimate of 10 Years to be over optimistic

Legacy networks like O2 and Vodafone will concentrate on 4G roll out with only minor 3G upgrades in the mean time.
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Old 15-09-2013, 01:00
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Legacy networks like O2 and Vodafone will concentrate on 4G roll out with only minor 3G upgrades in the mean time.
I completely agree with this they are meant be upgrading the 2G and 3G while they are upgrading masts to 4G. Not sure if they are doing that or not. Hope it happens for customers as they have the potential to have the best 3G coverage in the UK indoors and outdoors.
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Old 15-09-2013, 01:00
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Well O2 and Vodafone started using it 2 years ago. My advice is don't hold your breath and I consider wrexham103.4 estimate of 10 Years to be over optimistic

Legacy networks like O2 and Vodafone will concentrate on 4G roll out with only minor 3G upgrades in the mean time.
only slightly

i meant by not but
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Old 15-09-2013, 01:54
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Well O2 and Vodafone started using it 2 years ago. My advice is don't hold your breath and I consider wrexham103.4 estimate of 10 Years to be over optimistic

Legacy networks like O2 and Vodafone will concentrate on 4G roll out with only minor 3G upgrades in the mean time.
Can't speak for O2 but as I understand it Vodafone is upgrading its network so it only needs one bit of kit which will transmit in all licensed frequencies. Eventually 3G coverage should mirror that of 4G or vice versa.
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Old 15-09-2013, 09:08
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It is true that in all areas where O2 and Vodafone are introducing 4G they are simultaneously installing upgrades for 900MHz 3G which should help a lot of people with indoor coverage in particular.

It is 100% correct that the kit being installed has been designed to deliver all of the licenced frequencies that each operator has available and AFAIK even has scope to deliver new frequencies if further spectrum is won.

There is a lot of activity now in Glasgow and surrounding areas with lots of work in progress at Vodafone and O2 sites to install additional cabinets for new equipment.

It is very revealing to see the claimed improvement that Vodafone detail on their coverage maps with 900MHz 3G. Worth a look!
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Old 15-09-2013, 09:37
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It is true that in all areas where O2 and Vodafone are introducing 4G they are simultaneously installing upgrades for 900MHz 3G which should help a lot of people with indoor coverage in particular.

It is 100% correct that the kit being installed has been designed to deliver all of the licenced frequencies that each operator has available and AFAIK even has scope to deliver new frequencies if further spectrum is won.

There is a lot of activity now in Glasgow and surrounding areas with lots of work in progress at Vodafone and O2 sites to install additional cabinets for new equipment.

It is very revealing to see the claimed improvement that Vodafone detail on their coverage maps with 900MHz 3G. Worth a look!

There is a thread about Vodafone's 3G 900MHz map and 2G is now considered to be 3G. Now that's what I call cheating

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1886922
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Old 15-09-2013, 09:55
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There is a thread about Vodafone's 3G 900MHz map and 2G is now considered to be 3G. Now that's what I call cheating

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1886922
Sorry, I can't see where VF are claiming 2g is 3G?
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Old 15-09-2013, 10:17
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Sorry, I can't see where VF are claiming 2g is 3G?

Choose coverage area. Click 3G Improved Coverage (3G U900) the Red blocks show as "Slow Internet & email" which is 2G coverage not 3G
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Old 15-09-2013, 10:45
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The point is that when installed the coverage on 3G should be approximately the same as for 2G as it's the same frequency from the same location. Vodafone have probably used the 2G coverage maps to illustrate 900MHz 3G coverage as that should be identical to GSM 900.

Both Vodafone and O2 are also upgrading some older 2G equipment as is EE because the new kit can transmit all of the available frequencies and standards and they are taking the opportunity to replace older GSM equipment at the same time as installing 4G and 900MHz 3G where it is not already available.

900MHz 3G will make a significant difference for lots of customers and the more coverage options available, the better really.
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:26
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Please see my original q. I'm asking how long it would take to work on the mast to do what is needed to make it 3g900 enabled/capable
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:29
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Here's Axminster and the whole surrounding area on O2 3G900 and 2100. You'll see Lyme Regis at the bottom of the map too and all the other little places.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/ay7yi1.jpg
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:30
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No surprise to see where this thread is heading.

Same old, Same old..... the anti-O2 brigade attempting to discredit the use of additional frequencies that have better propagation characteristics to deliver reliable 3G to more of their customers.

Vodafone have been later in deploying 900MHz 3G than O2 per haps because they felt it made more sense to install it at the same time as 4G LTE for cost reasons?

The plain fact is that 900MHz 3G is available and expanding quickly across the UK and it will bring significant improvements for many customers without them having to replace their handsets etc or invest in costly new contracts.

No doubt the personalisation will continue as that appears to be the primary reason some bother to post but rest assured I won't be baited by personally directed nonsense and will not be distracted or dissuaded from posting about topics that I find of interest.
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:37
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Please see my original q. I'm asking how long it would take to work on the mast to do what is needed to make it 3g900 enabled/capable
Do you really expect to get an answer?

This thread is like a red rag to a bull.

It is about a product that some don't like because it is only available from networks they openly try to discredit.

The answer is probably not that long. Depends on the need for new street furniture to enclose the transmission equipment. I understand O2 have installed 900MHz 3G in existing cabinets as they often already have 2100MHz at the same site.

From planning to deployment, bearing in mind the relaxed rules for mobile operators in terms of regulation, it's probably possible to upgrade a site within 8-10 weeks, allowing for contractual arrangements to be made to carry out the physical work required. As for the physical work itself? Maybe 2-3 days if the street furniture is already available to house the new 900MHz 3G equipment or 2-3 weeks if they have to install new cabinets and relocate/extend the fibre that serves the site.

PM PlymouthBloke and he will be able to give you an accurate answer as he deals with network provision directly.

Meanwhile the Anti-O2 brigade will doubtless continue their crusade to discredit!
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:03
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even in London O2's 3G is terrible
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:24
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I suppose it could be argued that a couple of % have devices that are 3G,but not classed as smartphones. That's why I rounded it up to 50%.

As previously stated, the usage pattern of O2 users is very different, although the largest single network, their users use the least data of any UK network at just 17%
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:30
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Smartphones are not the issue.

It was stated that "50% of O2 customers don't even have a 3G device".

It is a link to a reliable source to prove that point that needs to be provided as it seems a little far fetched when 3G devices have available on the network for 10 years.

There will be a very considerable number of 3G feature phone users on O2 as well as all the other networks. Far more than a few per cent added to the smartphone penetration figure.

The statement above (in bold) is being challenged as false until reliable evidence can be provided to prove what has been stated.
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:30
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I suppose it could be argued that a couple of % have devices that are 3G,but classed as smartphones. That's why I rounded it up to 50%.

As previously stated, the usage pattern of O2 users is very different, although the largest single network, their users use the least data of any UK network.
Partly because they can get 3G data coverage (the reason I left) and partly because a significant amount of their customers are in a older demographic and don't use data and own feature phones.

There are very few old style 3G non smatphones out there. Haven't seen anyone with one in ages! Most of them upgraded to smartphones when they got the chance some years ago.
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:35
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Smartphones are not the issue.

It was stated that "50% of O2 customers don't even have a 3G device".

It is a link to a reliable source to prove that point that needs to be provided as it seems a little far fetched when 3G devices have available on the network for 10 years.
How many people do you know with a 3G phone that isn't a smartphone? Most of them will have upgraded to proper smartphones years ago. See my previous reply.

These old 3G phones were pretty much used on contracts and most of them upgraded a long time a go.
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:39
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The statement above (in bold) is being challenged as false until reliable evidence can be provided to prove what has been stated.
Ok i'll change it.

The usage pattern of O2 users is very different (the point I was making about your post originally), although the largest single network, their users use the least data of any UK network at just 17%. In addition less than 1/2 of O2's users own a smartphone.

Hows that?
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:41
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Easy to make assumptions but harder to prove them.

No assumptions are needed, just post a link to a reputable article that supports the fact that was made.

Looking forward to seeing a breakdown of device ownership by technology published by a reputable source recently that can reveal the truth about the statement that was made.

I don't expect to see such proof and expect something will be posted that attempts to wriggle away from such a wildly inaccurate statement. Par for the course!

Now after that 'whopper' was exposed can we get back to 900MHz 3G discussion please or will we see some personally directed flame bait? Let me guess?
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:54
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Easy to make assumptions but harder to prove them.

No assumptions are needed, just post a link to a reputable article that supports the fact that was made.

Looking forward to seeing a breakdown of device ownership by technology published by a reputable source recently that can reveal the truth about the statement that was made.

I don't expect to see such proof and expect something will be posted that attempts to wriggle away from such a wildly inaccurate statement. Par for the course!

Now after that 'whopper' was exposed can we get back to 900MHz 3G discussion please or will we see some personally directed flame bait? Let me guess?

The amount of owners 3G phones that are not smartphones are not statistically significant. A bit like the amount of people with dial up internet. Suggest you will be looking for this statistic for a very long time and will never find it.

Making a mountain out of a molehill as usual
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Old 15-09-2013, 13:05
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I am not looking for any statistic. I was only interested in challenging a false one that was made that has now been withdrawn and completely revised.

There are lots of 3G users without smartphones on all the networks as not everyone replaces their mobile regularly and many still only use mobiles for voice and texts on both 2G and 3G. I don't care what the exact percentage breakdown is but it's beyond reasonable doubt that every UK network has significantly more than 50% of their customers with 3G devices and that was the issue that needed to be addressed.

Moving on.....a more interesting statistic might be how many customers actually have 900MHz 3G enabled devices to take advantage of the increased availability of this service from those that offer it. Are Vodafone and O2 now promoting awareness of these?
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Old 15-09-2013, 13:22
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I am not looking for any statistic. I was only interested in challenging a false one that was made that has now been withdrawn and completely revised.

There are lots of 3G users without smartphones on all the networks as not everyone replaces their mobile regularly and many still only use mobiles for voice and texts on both 2G and 3G. I don't care what the exact percentage breakdown is but it's beyond reasonable doubt that every UK network has significantly more than 50% of their customers with 3G devices and that was the issue that needed to be addressed.

A more interesting statistic might be how many customers actually have 900MHz 3G enabled devices to take advantage of the increased availability of this service from those that offer it. Are Vodafone and O2 now promoting awareness of these?
Well personally I don't know anyone with an old fashioned 3G phone that isn't a smartphone. They are either a smartphone user or 2G feature phone user. Are you implying that contract users don't bother upgrading their phones once their contract is up

There are also plenty of 3G pay as you go smartphones out there.
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