No, I meant more in general on here. People seem to have this idea that Doug and Courtney are some sweet couple living the Hollywood dream.

Agree re the Harries clan, it's an opportunity and that's all that counts. They probably have already decided what's she'll wear on Oprah when she's promoting her book.

bib - lol yes I see what you mean

Interesting about her brother tweeting re the visa, and the whole Courtney/Lauren reality thing.

I tweeted that on the wrong account, it's for me, I want to go there @phuk (her brother tweeting on her a/c)

I notice her whole family use the LaurenHarries account on twitter, it's active most of the time. He denies that there are talks about a reality show with Courtney and that he wants the visa for himself.

@PHUK Execs R talking a @laurenharries & @CourtneyStodden reality series. Are U & UR family manifesting that? #CBB #BBUK #TeamLauren

LaurenHarries ... (her brother tweeting)
Where did you hear that? First we've heard :/ I'm her brother and I've been checking her emails and twitter

I've got such mixed feelings on this. I thought she was great on CBB but hoped she'd come out of it with a bit more sense as far as her 'showbiz destiny' is concerned and would just be happy with coming 3rd, the support she's had and the experience. But it does seem it was all just part of a bigger plan to relaunch herself on the world and I'm not sure I want to watch that.

But then, on the other hand, she does seem incredibly resilient (albeit delusional) so if she wants to give the US a shot, I think why not, no skin off anyone else's nose. And if she gets a bit of attention/work out of it, fine.

I do suspect it will all be a bit car crash but then, that's how Lauren seems to roll, so maybe we should just wave her on her high-heeled way and let her get on with it!

I agree with you. She has no talent at all and has basically messed up and failed at everything so far..This has all been manufactured by her corrupt parents, their dream, because of the cash. She is now too disabled by them to ever live independently..She knows all the pitfalls has attempted suicide and self destructive attempts at fame are all she seems to know. I can't ever see her giving any of this dream up.

I referred to her lack of education because she said in an interview with Wogan, (Frank Skinner and Geoff Goldblum were guests) whilst her father was being prosecuted for arson and fraud, that she refused to attend school because the other schoolchildren were not gentlemen or ladies...and nor were the teachers.

Coached to say that no doubt by her crazy, corrupt parents.

OP why does any of this bother you? Lauren is certainly eccentric but why should her lifestyle, existence or choice of career upset you in any way. Why can't people just accept that we are not all the same and we make different choices in life.

If Lauren wants to live at home at her age then its her choice. I should imagine that she finds it comforting to be with her family rather than out in a world that is largely hostile to transgender people.

I can't speak for the OP but it irks me to see someone who I believe is not merely eccentric but rather damaged still living with the criminals who from a young age damaged her.

Surely the wider world is no more hostile to transgenders than the council estate they live in which has many of the residents abusing the family, not an act I condone but I believe to a some degree the Harries bring on themselves with their deliberately provocative behavior.

I know this may not be a popular argument but I often wonder just how transgender Lauren truly feels. By her own words she did not feel ready to undergo gender realaignment and yet her parents once again defrauded the system to push her into becoming a woman.

Hey, here's something to ponder; when they were shilling their son/daughter's life to Max Clifford to raise money for Lauren's gender surgery did it not occur to them to use that money to help with her dryspraxia?

The Harries are far from harmless eccentrics and I can't help but feel that we shouldn't be rewarding the mess they've made.

What do you mean SHE she's a he

BIB - where did that come from? Surely she would have had to convince her surgeons that she was absolutely ready for it?

I know that her mother had falsified credentials as a counsellor. She acted as Lauren's counsellor pre surgery

During her appearance in the reality series The Salon Lauren said she wasn't ready to undergo the gender realignment surgery it conspicously cut off when talking about the counselling she had.

In the Keith Allen documentary it shows a clip of Lauren recovering from one of the surgeries and referring to her counseller by name - the name happened to be that of an alias her mother uses when practicing as a counseller with their internet bought credentials.

VERY well written an thought out post , absolutely agree with you

That really stinks to high heaven.

But surely they have to have an independent assessment|?

I agree entirely. Her parents are corrupt and inveterate liars. They have raised her to be the same.Watch this space as they always screw up everything they touch. I could never support her knowing the history and didn't buy the ditsy role she played in the house, unless she's had a personality transplant. What proof is there she even has Dyspraxia? They make me question everything about them. Her much needed back surgery(that was what the mother said she needed her fee for) seems to have been forgotten about for now if this deal is true !!

Have you seen her parents? I would doubt very much that she would ever not do as they say.

She is a 35 year old woman who still lives at home - THAT IS NOT NORMAL... its far from normal, she doesn't appear to have social anxiety, and to be honest she is probably just lazy and spoon fed and has been allowed to lounge around without a real job since the ugly natured parents see her as a cash cow.

How dare anyone sit in judgement on Lauren and her family? I'm appalled at the OP's post, especially the last paragraph which slaughter's Lauren's personality and character.

Why on earth does anybody assume that Lauren is vulnerable, damaged, inept? She strikes me as quite cool and calm for the most part, emotional when emotions are stirred, otherwise, just the same as anybody else.

It's quite horrible the way that some people are dissecting Lauren and her family. It's up to them how they behave. I actually know that Lauren isn't the only 35 year old person who chooses to live at home. I understand how supportive it must be to have a family to go home to when one has been discriminated against most of their life. And it's apparent that Lauren is now keen to be independent, to move away from home and make a life for herself in the entertainment business.

Why not? How is that any different from Charlotte or Mario wanting to be in the limelight?

There seems to be an underlying strand of a sinister nature running through threads like this one, and the comments therein are of the same type, judging Lauren and family in sprurious, analytical detail, coming almost with too much ease to agreed conclusions in the least academic manner, and all this based on media junkage - which would never apply to any other contestant.

It may be to do with Lauren being transgender and being 'different' from the norm. If so, how absolutely cowardly to hide those prejudices under cover of 'concern' for her mental health!!

I'm sorry, but you cannot go on a show like CBB and expect people not to judge her. We paid her for sitting around for 3 weeks, we can say whatever we want.

It is confusing. It looks to me the surgeons acted on the say so of what seemed to be certfied counseller not knowing this was Lauren's mother using an alias.


Well a jury rightfully sat in judgement of her father. The idea that they are a family of harmless eccentrics kind of falls by the wayside when you consider the possibility the fire he started for insurance fraud could have potentialy killed someone.

The Harries put themselves in the spotlight repeatedly from her fathers repeated attempts at breaking world records to allowing Keith Allen to make a documentary about them. By now I think they know the risks that they may come off in less than favourable lights and people will naturaly pass some form of judgement.


Lauren just comes off that way to a lot of people. Even a lot of her own fans think of her as fragile. Certainly the way she acts on television appearances when she acts defensive and talks over people don't make her look very stable. Her behavior in the house however furter cements this, all the housemates viewed her as very vulnerable and felt she needed a lot of help and that they couldn't be open about how they felt for fear of how she'd react.

Certainly her breakdown over having no friends and reactions to simply the idea that she'd be nominated showed she handled things worse than most epople.


Not when their bahavior is illegal which some of it very much is and as I pointed out the fact that they continualy put themselves in the spotlight means they are going to get people voicing an opinion.

It's been pointed out by the Harries themselves of the discrimination Lauren gets is at home from residents of the council estate, I often wonder why the Harries don't move. It's also been speculated that a lot of the abuse that Lauren and her family gets stems from a lot of the deliberately provocative things they do around the neighborhood not just because Lauren is transgender.


She was keen to move out when she first underwent transgender surgery and complained in an interview with The Gaurdian of her mothers multiple personalities and pot usage. Didn't happen.


I don't think this is accurate at all. A lot of what is out there about the Harries history is factualy proven or things they have put out there themselves.

Obviously there is some unproven things in the media like Lauren being used used as bait for her father's P.I. business but that's not the stuff we're referring to.


The worse criticism Luke A tends to get on here is that he was boring or Nadia was a drama queen. No one would accuse their detractors on her as being prejudiced because they were transgender.

It doesn't upset me, furthermore, the last time I checked, this site was a forum to discuss the Big Brother housemates, if you're offended by people discussing BB housemates then I suggest that you take yourself elsewhere!

Don't you know, already? Lauren was born a boy and lived as a boy for quite some time until his sex change.

The best documentary to watch the witness the fraud that is his family is Little Lady Fauntleroy. Family of con artists and opportunists... even when they get caught, they don't have the decency to admit it - just more f-ed up tales.

Those so called parents should appear in a court (IMO) for child abuse.

Sleepypoodle, I respect your opinions and the thought you've put into your post. However, I'm perhaps another exception who agrees with the posts above and feel that we too are entitled to talk about it, even if it's a different view. It's what balances a discussion.

Whilst some points may be valid, I do feel you are being particularly harsh on her parents. This is why. Based on how I remember Lauren years ago, aside from her slot on Terry Wogan, I believe it's possible Lauren falls on the autistic spectrum. If I hadn't read people's comments about the Keith Allen programme, which I wasn't familiar with, my instincts were that she was a Savant. I know..... let the flaming commence, but bear with me......

My adult sons continue to overcome quite severe special needs which include dyspraxia and some OCD traits also. They still live at home and we're dying to get them to a point where they can leave home and never stop trying and encourage domesticity and independence. They both have autism, but are intelligent with one son recently Graduating. So we're dealing with a strange combination of strengths and weaknesses, some of which they still struggle with, which can make life very confusing and frightening. So if you're not determined as a parent to get them to face these issues and fears, try out new experiences, it's very easy for them to become insular, shy and want to retreat at home.

However it doesn't stop them wishing it didn't affect them, and wanting to get out and make friends, but when they are around people they DO feel vulnerable because social situations are extremely difficult, as language doesn't come instinctively (unless it's talking about their latest favourite obsession) and everything's just confusing, as they are not able to read people's faces or intentions. Making friendships is hard.

This next bit is controversial, but I also wondered observing her mum's fairly odd and awkward conversations, if it's possible that she might be also on the spectrum and that affects the way they perceive situations and deal with things, leading to strange decisions regarding their daughter. So IF I'm right, then for Lauren, dealing with all the above, and the physical operations and pain of her back too, I'd suggest the impact of realising she was in the wrong body would hit even harder. So considering all she's been through, I think it's hardly surprising she can at times feel sensitive, socially awkward and vulnerable.

This is just my viewpoint, I find the thread and all the opinions fascinating.

I don't know why they needed to raise cash for her surgeries, gender re-assignment is freely available on the NHS, but of course there is a careful process involved. Where you are properly assessed by psychiatrists, and proper councellors (not questionable parents), are expected to go through hormone therapy etc.
I wondered when it was said that the money was raised to pay for it, if the professionals thought the process was wrong for her.
If you have the money then you can find anyone out there willing to do what ever you want, to your body, right or wrong.