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Old 15-09-2013, 07:22
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Why not keep the same ports and plug in availability or give adapters for free? What's the need for changing the hardware in terms of plugability?

It pisses me off that i bought an Ipod thing with speakers etc, only to find out that they are now redundant unless a very expensive adaptor is puchased to make the latest Iphone compatiblle.

Why is it necessary to change ports and sim cards ets to make previously very expensive items almost rendless and useless unless people are techie savvy whizz kids?
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Old 15-09-2013, 07:44
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Why not keep the same ports and plug in availability or give adapters for free? What's the need for changing the hardware in terms of plugability?

It pisses me off that i bought an Ipod thing with speakers etc, only to find out that they are now redundant unless a very expensive adaptor is puchased to make the latest Iphone compatiblle.

Why is it necessary to change ports and sim cards ets to make previously very expensive items almost rendless and useless unless people are techie savvy whizz kids?
To be fair to apple, they've only changed the dock interface once in the last 10 years or so. The reasoning behind it is that they can apparently make slimmer phones with the new one. But that adapter is way over priced at 30 quid!
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Old 15-09-2013, 09:41
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To be fair to apple, they've only changed the dock interface once in the last 10 years or so. The reasoning behind it is that they can apparently make slimmer phones with the new one. But that adapter is way over priced at 30 quid!
I'd 2nd this.

They have only done it once but agree that they are over priced.
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Old 15-09-2013, 09:48
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I'd 2nd this.

They have only done it once but agree that they are over priced.
Who buys accessories and cables from any manufacturer, they're bound to be overpriced. 3.99 on eBay will get you what you want.
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Old 15-09-2013, 10:09
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Who buys accessories and cables from any manufacturer, they're bound to be overpriced. 3.99 on eBay will get you what you want.
Apple put chips in some of them to check they are real and prevent people copying them.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/...ning_connector
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Old 15-09-2013, 10:14
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They had the same adapter for approximately 9 years, compatible with various iPod, iPhone and iPad models through that time. I'm not quite sure how they change it "everytime a new phone is launched".
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Old 15-09-2013, 10:59
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Why not keep the same ports and plug in availability or give adapters for free? What's the need for changing the hardware in terms of plugability?

It pisses me off that i bought an Ipod thing with speakers etc, only to find out that they are now redundant unless a very expensive adaptor is puchased to make the latest Iphone compatiblle.

Why is it necessary to change ports and sim cards ets to make previously very expensive items almost rendless and useless unless people are techie savvy whizz kids?
A tad over dramatic? No?
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:01
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Personally I don't know why they don't stick to micro USB like the others....in fact, wasnt there supposed to be an industry wide adaptation of micro USB to help waste of electrical products?

Oh yeah, that's right apple want to screw you for every last penny so didnt take that route so they can charge 30 quid for a charger to the devoted apple iSheep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_...l_Power_Supply
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:20
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Personally I don't know why they don't stick to micro USB like the others....in fact, wasnt there supposed to be an industry wide adaptation of micro USB to help waste of electrical products?

Oh yeah, that's right apple want to screw you for every last penny so didnt take that route so they can charge 30 quid for a charger to the devoted apple iSheep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_...l_Power_Supply
Erm, no. If you'd actually read the MoU you'd realise that Apple comply with it.

It's about the interoperability of chargers, not necessarily the cables. The agreement is much more about the electrical specification of the charger.

A proprietary connector on the device is permitted under the agreement providing an adapter is made available to accept a micro-USB cable, which Apple do.
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:40
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Who buys accessories and cables from any manufacturer, they're bound to be overpriced. 3.99 on eBay will get you what you want.
I would not risk my phone or house with some dodgy charger from China off Ebay.

There are a lot of things I like to buy cheaper but don't cut costs on anything to do with mains voltages.

I might chance it with something like a USB lead but not the charger.
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:47
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Why not keep the same ports and plug in availability or give adapters for free? What's the need for changing the hardware in terms of plugability?

It pisses me off that i bought an Ipod thing with speakers etc, only to find out that they are now redundant unless a very expensive adaptor is puchased to make the latest Iphone compatiblle.

Why is it necessary to change ports and sim cards ets to make previously very expensive items almost rendless and useless unless people are techie savvy whizz kids?

How many times have Apple changed their ports in the last 10 years?

Clue: less than twice.
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Old 15-09-2013, 20:12
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Erm, no. If you'd actually read the MoU you'd realise that Apple comply with it.

It's about the interoperability of chargers, not necessarily the cables. The agreement is much more about the electrical specification of the charger.

A proprietary connector on the device is permitted under the agreement providing an adapter is made available to accept a micro-USB cable, which Apple do.
Ok, I've just re read the wiki page.... That says,

A common EPS must include a cable with a Micro USB-B connector for connecting to a mobile phone. This cable can be either 'captive' (permanently attached to the power supply) or detachable. If detachable, the cable must connect to the power supply via a standard USB-A receptacle / connector

I've not read, or am not inclined to google all day but that's the first article that I found earlier. Maybe its wrong?
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Old 15-09-2013, 20:21
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Ok, I've just re read the wiki page.... That says,

A common EPS must include a cable with a Micro USB-B connector for connecting to a mobile phone. This cable can be either 'captive' (permanently attached to the power supply) or detachable. If detachable, the cable must connect to the power supply via a standard USB-A receptacle / connector

I've not read, or am not inclined to google all day but that's the first article that I found earlier. Maybe its wrong?
No it's not wrong, but you are. You haven't read it very well (twice, apparently).

Read the paragraph directly underneath the one you quoted. That references the relevant part of the MoU that states that adapters are allowed.
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Old 15-09-2013, 22:34
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To be fair to apple, they've only changed the dock interface once in the last 10 years or so. The reasoning behind it is that they can apparently make slimmer phones with the new one. But that adapter is way over priced at 30 quid!
Part way through the original connectors use they changed the charging system - as a result, I can only charge my iPhone 4S from one of the connectors on my Alpine head unit.

I do kinda prefer the theory of the lightning connector over USB, it can be connected either way for a starter - likely to be a lot easier to do when you've had a few.
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Old 16-09-2013, 00:33
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No it's not wrong, but you are. You haven't read it very well (twice, apparently).

Read the paragraph directly underneath the one you quoted. That references the relevant part of the MoU that states that adapters are allowed.
seems I'm reading it out of context.... Looking at the bigger picture, apple are compliant as they provide the adaptor where another USB to micro USB cable coud be plugged if needed (ie when the iFan sees sense and buys an android phone, lol).
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Old 16-09-2013, 01:56
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Apple put chips in some of them to check they are real and prevent people copying them.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/...ning_connector
Well I have half a dozen such cheap cables and they all work for me
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Old 16-09-2013, 01:58
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I would not risk my phone or house with some dodgy charger from China off Ebay.

There are a lot of things I like to buy cheaper but don't cut costs on anything to do with mains voltages.

I might chance it with something like a USB lead but not the charger.
We're not talking about a charger plugged into the mains, we're talking about a piece of wire.
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Old 16-09-2013, 08:49
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We're not talking about a charger plugged into the mains, we're talking about a piece of wire.
that same "wire" as you call it is also used to charge the device when connected to the mains.
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Old 16-09-2013, 09:06
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As long as they still use the iPhone 5 charger for the 5s then that's great.
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Old 16-09-2013, 09:19
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Why not keep the same ports and plug in availability or give adapters for free? What's the need for changing the hardware in terms of plugability?

It pisses me off that i bought an Ipod thing with speakers etc, only to find out that they are now redundant unless a very expensive adaptor is puchased to make the latest Iphone compatiblle.

Why is it necessary to change ports and sim cards ets to make previously very expensive items almost rendless and useless unless people are techie savvy whizz kids?
Although the reason may be aesthetic, it may also be functional and indicative of a change in standards.... a few years ago, I decided to buy a new laptop, and discovered that the Firewire Connector had changed to reflect a new Technical Standard.
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Old 16-09-2013, 09:29
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As long as they still use the iPhone 5 charger for the 5s then that's great.
It is.
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