http://frontrowliveent.com/5-seconds...obertherrera3/

Can there be a link with the 5SOS world tour (in preparation)?

http://frontrowliveent.com/5-seconds...obertherrera3/

Can there be a link with the 5SOS world tour (in preparation)?

I'm not sure what you mean? What kind of link?

See on the page (right side, scroll down): Is there eventully a plan coached by X Factor USA?

That's just a link to another page though.

The question is: Why does 5SOS not react to their logo being stolen?
If everybody sees it is being stolen, why don't they see it?
Why are RCA and the McDonalds family silent?
Except for messages as "exciting news" coming, leading to nowhere.

We can only guess.
What connects an Australian group with Nicholas?
Not the record label since they are with "Capitol" now.
They have toured with 1D, they get extensive coverage by Robert Herrara...
So I would expect some backstage management by Simon Cowell.
Is he really completely apathic about the X Factor UK outcome?
Sure, I can be very wrong.

Oh ok, I see what you're getting at now.


Well, it's entirely possible they haven't seen it, especially if they're busy with other things (i.e. band doing whatever, prepping for tour etc, marketing team focussed on another artist)

It's also entirely possible they just don't care. 5SOS are being talked about and that's what matters most. Similarly for RCA Nicky's being talked about, and being talked about by people who might not otherwise have been introduced to him.


I doubt very much Cowell cares about Nicky otherwise he would have signed him to Syco, at least on a joint deal with RCA if nothing else. I doubt he will even care much about Sam for longer than he has to be seen to. Every now and again he'll find a pet project, a Leona, an Olly or a 1D to focus on, but otherwise XF is just a very profitable audition process for him.

I was mostly joking when I wondered whether it might be a genius marketing stunt. Don't get me wrong, I would love it to be true, because it would indicate some strategy and care existed at RCA for Nicky's prospects. But, ultimately, it's almost certainly a prank. 5SOS are supposed to be rockier (I haven't bothered listening to any of their actual material - I'm imagining McFly with upspeak) so uploading a synthy poppy tune instead isn't necessarily a good match. It would make more sense as a 'stealth-marketing' stunt to do something similar with Luke, for example, if he ends up going the tweenie pop-rock route.

It's bad I want to tweet 'boo-f***ing-hoo' at her, isn't it?

I apologize if this analysis was made in this forum before I joined.

A little analysis of the x Factor 2013 voting results:

week 10 Saturday: Sam B 38.2% Nicky 32.1% Luke 29.7%
Disregarding Luke, the shares were: Sam B 54.3% Nicky 45.7 %

week 10 Sunday: Sam B 53.4% Nicky 36.3%
this leaves 10.3% unassigned, buried with Luke
Disregarding the Luke part the shares were: Sam B 59.5% Nicky 40.5 %

This could mean that the voters for Luke massively voted for Sam B
Or that Sams' voters waited till Sunday for investing their pennies.
Ot that the public hated the pink candy?
Or that one massively followed Louis' advice? Is he that influent?

I think it was mostly down to the Sunday show being mostly about making sure Nicky didn't win. Not just Louis, but Nicky being steered towards reprising the somber Angel rather than his standout performance, Someone Like You. Meanwhile Sam gets the The Power Of Showboating which no doubt will have stood out to more to the casual viewers who only tune in for the final. Also Gary's pointed refusal to stand for him and sup his drink like a petulant child won't have helped, and both him and Nicole basically ordering the public to vote for Sam.

But then there's maybe another element in play - I voted for Nicky multiple times on the Saturday, because I didn't want them to succeed in stopping him reaching the final two with their underhand tactics (and because I really ****ing rate him, of course). But I didn't vote at all on the Sunday, because I didn't want him to win figuring that if they're going to go to so much trouble to stop him possibly winning, they're only going to go and shaft him under contract afterwards anyway. Who knows whether others felt the same, but I would't be surprised if others did the same as me.

The sofabet analysis of the voting figures must be due very soon. Those could make interesting reading. It really was neck and neck between Nicky and Sam B until they started undermining him.

Yep, I did exactly the same. Backed him all the way but thought it best that he didn't win.

Yeah, I think any Nicky fans who had noted what had been going for the previous four weeks would probably have felt the same and possibly acted upon it similarly.

Other elements at play, which we have covered in this thread before but I forgot to reference in my post above,

Winners songs: Sam's again was showboating powernotes, all about overcoming adversity and rising tall and triumphant (plays into the 'just a hard working momma narrative and crystallises her apparent transformation into 'superstar'). Nicky's was a song about vulnerability and it not being 'easy to be me'.

Even seemingly insignificant things such as the camera always cutting to Sam during the group performance of 'Roar' can be viewed to be reinforcing the message that she's the 'lioness'. Combined these elements could well subliminally affect who votes and for who they vote.

The other point is that a lot of people seem to have an aversion to a cute boy who can sing. 'Oh they're only getting votes because they're a cute boy, so I'll vote for someone else'. I think a lot of anti0Nicky sentiment stemmed from these sorts of prejudices.

On short term they all have to support Sam.
X Factor 2014 would loose all credibility if the 2013 winner would already be dumped before the start of the new season.
Sam may also be better for chatting on TV shows, since het English is more RP and she has more maturity.
She can sing, but I doubt one will invest in turning her into the Vera Lynn of the 21th century.

Nicky is not that bad. X Factor almost killed him mentally.
Why making him sing "Halo" when he was not ready for that song? That was monstruous.
The poor guy had no other means of defence than crying, what eventually would have done within the McDonald family, but made him eventually look as "much too young" for the public.

So what heritage has X Factor 2013 to offer, as example for future years?
A real success has to reach outside the UK. The USA market is probably the most interesting (cf. Bieber).
I think the X Factor Management, RCA & S. Cowell should at least try to promote Nicky over the border of the British Isles.
Being successful in that is the only way to turn the 2013 session into good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jCYDAv5Oi4

"5 Seconds of Summer -..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by SME.
Sorry about that.

That was precisely my point. She has a year's contract in the bag, but whether they support her beyond that is probably as uncertain as for anyone who has won the show previously.



From this I'm not sure if you're actually a fan of Nicky? If not then I'm not sure this is the right thread for you?

I meant:
Was there any reason to change him?
He looked very fresh and boyish in the first sessions.
Later he was clearly forced to sing songs he didn’t like, and covered under a thick layer of make-up, making him almost look like mummified.

Oh I see. Well yes, but I think that was all part of dampening his appeal and slowing his momentum. He was much more natural on stage early on - Boisterous and cheeky. He looked more uncomfortable later on and didn't really seem to recover his natural stage persona (for want of a better word) right up until the final (Candy aside - but what 17 year old boy would feel entirely comfortable surrounded by a legion of gurning acid-drenched dance-clowns mugging for the camera?)

Oh god, don't say that

*floods of tears*

I really didn't watch the second day of the final because Luke had gone out so I can't say much about that, but the unfairness was blatantly obvious on the saturday (not just to me but to most of my twitter feed, which is illuminating) so if it was worse on the sunday then the mind boggles tbh.


I did something similar with luke, voted for him on saturday but only about three times, because I did want him to go through to the second day but I didn't want him to win. If I'd been voting for Nicky instead I probably wouldn't have voted on the sunday for the same reason, not wanting him to be saddled with the consequences of winning; certainly if Luke had made it to the sunday I don't think I would have been voting.


There was this, is there going to be anything else?

Oh sycamore

FWIW I'm leaning away from that as a possibility now. I think if they were going to do that they would be moving as quickly as they are with Nicky. Having said that I'm not sure about him writing with people who tag their tweets with '#HITS'. *cringe* I imagine if he'd going to be 'moulded' into something that isn't just Luke, it's going to be as a slightly growlier Ed Sheeran, rather than something totally tweenie.

The way Sam jumped so far ahead after Luke went out is something I've never understood. I honestly can't believe that Luke's fans turned round and started voting in such vast amounts for Sam, if anything surely their votes would have gone to Nick. The only explanation is that Nick's fans completely stopped voting, but I don't understand why they would. I know we on this thread didn't want our favourites to win, but we fancy ourselves as having more insight (whether we do or not is a different matter ) and I don't think most people will think like that.

I've seen analysis (probably on Sofabet though I can't remember for sure) that suggested that for the normal live shows, the vast majority of votes come as soon as the voting lines open and the overnight and sunday voting didn't have that much impact. That's the same as the patterns of voting for other shows like Big Brother, the vast majority of the voting comes during the live shows. So Sam's sudden accumulation of such a large amount of the vote is weird (and no I'm not suggesting there's any kind of vote fixing going on, I absolutely believe they would NEVER risk doing something like that).

There was so much gameplaying going on with the impression given to the public of how the voting was going over the series. Luke being in three sing offs and third in the semifinal really made it look like he had no chance in the final and probably suppressed his vote, whereas just announcing RC (and maybe even Tamera the week before) as being eliminated would have built up excitement about who might have been third and made it seem that there was more to play for. And the 'leaks' about Sam being so far ahead in the voting when actually she absolutely wasn't, and even the claim that Nicky only won weeks 2 and 6 when he won week 1 as well, all made her seem unstoppable.

It's fascinating, I wish I understood it better.

Oh it was much, much worse. It made Saturday look reasonably balanced in comparison. but maybe I just got that impression because it seemed like they'd undermined Luke on the Saturday as well. I'd already come to accept that Sam was going to win, no matter what, because they wouldn't let Nicky win. My attention on the Saturday was probably more on Luke and his representation because I was fearful he would knock Nicky into third place. Anyway, come the Sunday they might as swell have been screaming VOTE SAM SHE'S A BEAUTIFUL, POWERFUL PHOENIX NOT NICKY HE'S REALLY SMALL LOL through the screen.




Funny how winning has in many ways come to be seen as a poisoned chalice over the years, isn't it?




Yeah. It might actually be in that article they mention it, but I believe in February they're supposed to be posting a much more detailed and in-depth analysis of the whole series.

*still inconsolable*

I thought they'd undermined Luke too, though not to the extent that Nick was; I'm glad someone else felt that too.


He nearly did!


Aww, I know I shouldn't laugh but that did make me lol

I just don't understand why they'd want Sam to win, why???

I don't understand anything any more.


Yes indeed, and I think they exploited that with Luke; they set him up as the outsider, all that dark horse narrative, and perhaps it suits how they want to position him now musically, not as a nice, safe MOR xfactor winner type lad but - *sob* - as tweenie rock-pop for rebellious twelve year olds.

*Sobs some more*


Excellent, can't wait to see it.