Just been catching up on corrie on my youview and I have just finished watching Friday 13th episode of Karl's exit and to be honest I am disappointed in he's exit, was that it? he got arrested at the end.

What a rubbish exit, anyone agree? going to miss him though but glad actor John Michie joined the cast of Holby City, can't wait to see him in holby

John is a very sexy actor by the way

I sort of liked the exit. At the end of the day, Karl was a normal guy that had a string of bad occurrences happen to him. Sure, he dived into the deep end with the fire, but I think that is the point that CS was trying to get across.

I thought it was fitting.

What alternative exit did you have in mind?

he had a string of bad occurrences happen to him? he killed two people and as they said last night terrorised a child.

He killed 2 people by accident - it wasn't his intention. Karl is not a bad person - just a stupid one.

He murdered Sunita is hospital, he admitted to it

Where do you draw the line of whether someone is a bad person or not? Wouldn't a good person allow Sunita to recover instead of murdering her in hospital to avoid justice.

Overall, it was a boring exit with a few dramatic bits here and there.

Huh he meant to murder Sunita. How can anyone say hes not bad? he let a kid think he had killed two people.

Nvm

He wasn't really a villain. In real life, arsonists/murderers are arrested. They don't need to die in explosions/car crashes.

In recent years, we've had Tony, Frank Foster and John Stape all die before going to prison for their actions.

Well Sunita was the only one he actually murdered. Toni was manslaughter.

Although Karl did turn quite nasty with Craig when he threatened to kill his mom, before that he acted as a parental figure towards him though admittedly that was only for his own selfish motives.

I think you're confiusing Karl with John Stape. John Stape killed Charlotte in the heat of passion and manslaughtered Joy - due to the way he kept getting into scrapes, John Stape could be called an accidental killer.

Karl however did go to the hospital and kill Sunita in cold blood to save his own skin. I do however agree that he is not evil but that's only because he has shown guilt and remorse for his actions, rushed into the fire to get Stella out without a second thought, and handed himself in at the very end because Stella asked him to.

I thought Tony Gordon was in prison for a while?

I was just thinking how many years he'd get in prison.

Arson - probably 5 years.

Murder - probably 12 years.

Both sentences to run concurrently. A total of 12 years. With parole, out in 7 years, such is our weak so-called 'justice' system. Meaning Karl could be back in Corrie in 2020.

I personally think very few people/characters are completely evil. The three Corrie villains I would class as evil out of the ones I know are Frank Foster, Tracy Barlow and Richard Hillman. Frank Foster was a monster because he felt not a shred of guilt or remorse over his actions, didn't love a single person and had no mental illness of any kind.

Tracy is a manipulative sociopath who murdered Charlie Stubbs brutally in cold blood with no guilt or remorse and tried to get out of it by playing the victim. Although Richard Hillman did show some guilt over killing Maxine, tjhat was only because she wasn't supposed to be there - he had no problem with attempting to kill Emily and Audrey for their money and even made poor Audrey think she was going mad - he is evil.


John Stape wasn't evil. He never set out to kill anyone deliberately and when he did kill Charlotte in the heat of passion and manslaughtered Joy he felt much guilt and remorse over his actions. He suffered insomnia and mental breakdowns - he was idiotic but good at heart.

Karl Munro though not as innocent as John Stape clearly had an obsessive love for Stella that drove him insane. Admittedly he knew what he was doing when he did the things he did but his reasoning was flawed. He believed the pub was empty when he set fire to it (Sunita only arrived after he lit the fire and he dashed back into the burning building when he realised Stella was there) - he has felt guilt and remorse over killing unita though he did it incold blood. He couldn't bring himself to kill Dev or Craig in cold blood and was very shaken that he nearly killed Dev. He tried to confess to Stella at the funeral he killed Sunita. He handed himself in when Stella told him to - no he is not evil.

I don't think it's weak. Justice must always be tempered with mercy and the punishment should fit the crime. That's only fair. With good behaviour and the proper guilt/remorse yes Karl should only get about seven years and hopefully he would get psychiatric help in that time as well because he definitely needs it.

Someone gets murdered, so their corpse is rotting, their life is shortly lived, their friends/family are left devastated, and the person responsible gets 7 years of free food and shelter at her majesty's blastard pleasure. That doesn't seem like justice.

It's easy for the authorities to show mercy and forgive a killer because they have no emotional attachment to the victim, they don't give a damn, their just another murder statistic to them.

Think how many killers have got these ridiculous short setences and once released have gone onto commit brutal murders again. It's alarming.

Have you ever watched Corrie? He deliberately murdered one person (Sunita)

Prison isn't a bed of roses you know and seven years is actually quite a long time if indeed Karl does get seven years.

Shame he can't say sorry to Sunita when he comes out.

He also killed his first wife, Carolyn and buried her in foundations of a house he was involved with, and caused Duggie Ferguson to fall to his death in the same house.

But that's true of all people who intentionally or unintentionally take away a life. Karl made a similar point when Craig thought he was to blame. Would Craig going to prison bring back Toni or Sunita? No it wouldn't. In John Stape's case he paid a heavy price for the lives he took though in his case he didn't set out to kill anyone deliberately - he had a guilty consiemce, insomnia, two mental breakdowns. He paid that way and remember how he put money through Charlotte's parents' letterbox and tried to say sorry to them.

In Karl's case he has also felt guilt and remorse though not perhaps to the same level as John Stape. If for example he did serve seven years in prison then true he can't say sorry to Sunita when he comes out but most people who take a life, whether they serve time in prison or not usually spend the rest of their lives atoning/making amends for their actions in one way or another (unless they are really evil in the vein of Frank Foster, Richard Hillman or Tracy Barlow).

Patricia.

Yes you're right about Hillman murdering his ex wife and leaving Duggie to die.

In Karl's case I don't think that he would. He couldn't bring himself to kill Craig or Dev in cold blood remember and as Stella said the guilt of killing Sunita would have eaten away at him.