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EE Need To Sort Sharon!!! Disgraceful!
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fawltytowers93
18-09-2013
Sharon has been phenomenal since her comeback in 2012 IMO...this is by far her best stint yet The little boy who plays Denny's acting ability is up there with the likes of Steve McFadden and Jake Wood and the pain-killer storyline was just sensational and will definitely go down as an iconic EE storyline in years to come - Letitia's performance moved me to tears, probably THE most powerful acting in the shows history!
benbenalen
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by vaslav37:
“Time to Kill off Alfie once and for all...”

I like Alfie, so I disagree!
Broken_Arrow
18-09-2013
She wasn't even in tonight's episode lol! When I saw this thread earlier I thought she'd done something else to piss us off.

Anyway I agree the same stuff is being covered over and over. We could easily discuss the ruination of Sharon in one thread. I'll keep contributing to the Sharon threads regardless. It's a topic I want to discuss even if it makes me annoyed at times. Or should I say annoying?...

I don't think Letitia is a great actress but she can certainly act. Although we haven't seen anywhere near her best acting since she returned I find it hard to believe that people think she's worse than June Brown. Both are ham actresses most of the time yet they manage to pull it off and (before this stint for Sharon) make themsleves endearing.
Last Request
18-09-2013
Too little too late EE needs to move on from Sharon now.
saintsebastien1
18-09-2013
I am positive that once DTC's storylines sink in and he gets his feet under the table, he will transform Sharon's character and bring her back to the forefront of the show. I doubt it's the end for Sharon yet...
soapnut
18-09-2013
There seems to be an echo on the forum and these tennis-style opinions are becoming tiresome. That's not to say Sharon shouldn't be the topic of conversation, very much the opposite infact. I'm a huge supporter of Sharon and the contributors that champion her on here also.

After over a year back on the Square, unfortunately, I think it's safe to say that Letitia's return has been unsuccessful, a big mistake and should never have really happened. It's clear that her return storyline and beyond wasn't meticulously planned and may as well have been drafted out on a post-it note. It is nothing to do with Letitia or her acting, she's proved her worth time and again over the years and she once was a jewel in the EastEnders crown. If she isn't a capable actress as many people seem to think, then I doubt she would have even stayed with the show and certainly wouldn't have become as iconic.

The show and the writers have seemingly treated Letitia and Sharon (and the viewers) with nothing but contempt. The material she has been given is nothing short of shockingly awful and I'm astounded that she even returned with a story arc like this. The writers and producers have done her a massive disservice. I have now accepted and I am resigned to the fact that we will never see 'Sharon' again. A few more glimpses would have sufficed but the 'Sharon' of today is disjointed and just too far removed from the original character, we may as well have a completely different character and actress on screen. History has been virtually ignored altogether and a huge attempt has been made to sway the viewers into erasing anything that occurred in this character's past. It is unforgivable and the damage has been done, it's too late.

Sharon is now almost beyond repair and I for one, hope that she is indeed written out and Letitia leaves the show for good before Sharon is ruined completely, if she hasn't been already. I'm not sure I can wait another year for the lazy writers to get their acts together or for Sharon to sort out her problems, which have barely been touched upon and just skimmed over in the space of little over a year. Her upcoming scenes and ongoing 'storyline' do not bode well for the popularity of Sharon or Letitia's future on the show.

It's a terrible shame and I wouldn't really wish for it to happen, but I do think Letitia should depart the show and with her head still held high. Let Sharon go whilst the character's crumbling dignity still remains intact. The writers clearly can't be arsed and neither can the production team, it would take a miracle now for the situation to turn around and for Sharon to be popular and become a focal point of the show once more. I would rather see her leave than watch her morph further into a radically different and unrealistic character. That ship has sailed as they say and no matter how hard they try (not very) to keep it afloat, it is headed for disaster.
Broken_Arrow
18-09-2013
I think we're on the same page, Soapnut.

I don't see Sharon getting any better or viewers taking her to their hearts. The show would have to be in a great place in order to erase what's been done to Sharon and make her popular again. The current fanbase at large doesn't care about Sharon anymore. It's only us Sharon fans who remember her from previous stints and know what Letitia and the character are capable of who are willing to give her a chance. Sadly I think we've got another Pauline situation on our hands here and no one will miss Sharon when she leaves this time - including her fans. And this is why EastEnders keeps on declining and will never recover. We've invested years in these characters only for them to be unceremoniously ruined and killed off, creatively or literally. We've been here too many times with too many characters.
soapnut
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“I think we're on the same page, Soapnut.

I don't see Sharon getting any better or viewers taking her to their hearts. The show would have to be in a great place in order to erase what's been done to Sharon and make her popular again. The current fanbase at large doesn't care about Sharon anymore. It's only us Sharon fans who remember her from previous stints and know what Letitia and the character are capable of who are willing to give her a chance. Sadly I think we've got another Pauline situation on our hands here and no one will miss Sharon when she leaves this time - including her fans. And this is why EastEnders keeps on declining and will never recover. We've invested years in these characters only for them to be unceremoniously ruined and killed off, creatively or literally. We've been here too many times with too many characters.”

Absolutely. The writers have literally rewritten EE history. A string of shash producers aside, the blame lies entirely with the writers and nobody else. The writing is on the wall, not only for Sharon, but for the show too. It may not happen for a good while yet but I predict that it will eventually, the show is on borrowed time. ED, Corrie and HO are all in a different league of their own, but for them, EE is no longer a problem or competition and won't be for the forseeable. ED will obliterate EE next month and Corrie definitely will at Christmas with Hayley's story. What do we have to look forward to in EE - a Kat and Alfie reunion - :sleep::sleep::sleep: it's enough to make you want to phone the samaritans! What happens if DTC isn't capable of performing a miracle, what then? ...
Broken_Arrow
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by soapnut:
“Absolutely. The writers have literally rewritten EE history. The writing is on the wall, not only for Sharon, but for the show too. It may not happen for a good while yet but I predict that it will eventually, the show is on borrowed time. ED, Corrie and HO are all in a different league of their own, but for them, EE is no longer competition and won't be for the forseeable. ED will obliterate EE next month and Corrie definitely will at Christmas with Hayley's story. What do we have to look forward to in EE - a Kat and Alfie reunion - :sleep::sleep::sleep: it's enough to make you want to phone the samaritans! What happens if DTC isn't capable of performing miracles, what then? ...”

I really can't see how this series can continue for decades to come when it's been showing its age for years now. I watched Coronation Street back in the 80's when it was 20-30 years old and it never got this bad. EastEnders has been poor for the better part of a decade. Certainly the last 5 or so years have been a write off as far as I'm concerned.
Cuddly_Cat
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Supercalifragil:
“I must be watching a different EE: Letitia has got to be one of the most apalling and cringeworthy actors ever...”

I agree. She has a pantomime aura about her rather than a soap actress.
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Axe Sharon, her acting shoddy and her SLs are boring, she's not the saviour of the show and I don't think putting her in the vic going to make her desirable as a character.”

I agree with you Priscilla. It's about time she is axed.
Originally Posted by JamieHT:
“It all boils down to the acting for me. You can't blame the writers for everything. I've watched lots of soaps where characters are pushed to the back but hey are always top class. Sharon is just not a good enough actress. I can't stand Lauren but she is a much better actor.”

I'm thinking the same thing. You can't blame the producer or the writers for ham acting. I'm glad Ronnie / Samantha Womack is taking centre stage as she is a much better and more interesting actress than Letitia Dean. I hope they don't renew Letitia Dean's contract.
soapnut
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“I really can't see how this series can continue for decades to come when it's been showing its age for years now. I watched Coronation Street back in the 80's when it was 20-30 years old and it never got this bad. EastEnders has been poor for the better part of a decade. Certainly the last 5 or so years have been a write off as far as I'm concerned.”

Apart from the string of calamity producers over the last few years, I think the blame lies entirely at the writers' feet. They use far too many and they may as well all be writing scripts for a different programme entirely. It's disjointed, innaccurate and poorly researched. There is virtually no familiarity, continuity or consistency with each episode. Each one is like a single piece, a different story every time that just doesn't make sense. They don't appear to know the characters or how to write for them, for me this is glaringly obvious and has been for years. Letting complete unknowns or BBC Writer's school students, rather than long established writers loose on the scripts is episode suicide. Who is writing Peggy's return episode for example? Not even google has heard of her and if it is an alias then why shouldn't we know who it is?..
Broken_Arrow
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by soapnut:
“Apart from the string of calamity producers over the last few years, I think the blame lies entirely at the writers' feet. They use far too many and they may as well all be writing scripts for a different programme entirely. It's disjointed, innaccurate and poorly researched. There is virtually no familiarity, continuity or consistency with each episode. Each one is like a single piece, a different story every time that just doesn't make sense. They don't appear to know the characters or how to write for them, for me this is glaringly obvious and has been for years. Letting complete unknowns or BBC Writer's school students, rather than long established writers loose on the scripts is episode suicide. Who is writing Peggy's return episode for example? Not even google has heard of her and if it is an alias then why shouldn't we know who it is?..”

I agree with every word you've written. As for the Peggy episode writer that's becoming a bit of a mystery. If it's a known writer using an alias then we'll recognise their style once we've seen the episode. I can't think of any reason to use an alias unless the episode is a complete mess which is possible. Maybe one of the actors ventured a script and doesn't want it known yet.
soapnut
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“I agree with every word you've written. As for the Peggy episode writer that's becoming a bit of a mystery. If it's a known writer using an alias then we'll recognise their style once we've seen the episode. I can't think of any reason to use an alias unless the episode is a complete mess which is possible. Maybe one of the actors ventured a script and doesn't want it known yet.”

Well I thought that and made a suggestion not so long ago in another thread. I was reliably informed, I think it was by monalisa, that it doesn't usually happen and even if that was the case the author still wouldn't be credited. I don't know! I just wish they would use some talented writers with real calibre like they used to. I'm not a regular viewer of any of them, but on occasion I have caught episodes of Casualty, Holby City and Doctors and found the stories quite riveting. They are all continuing BBC drama's and seem to churn out good scripts effortlessly so I just don't understand why EE can't do the same. EE has become very superficial, no longer any depth to it or the characters whatsoever which makes it extremely hard to really care about it. The only triumph that LN achieved whilst at the top for me was getting rid of Tyler, shame it was a year too late. Don't even get me started on the teens, they infuriate me!
JamieHT
18-09-2013
I did like Sharon for a while but I've never understood the whole 'oh, she's been around forever so she is therefore untouchable!' I never loved Peggy. I really liked Pat despite her underuse. My point is that I don't see why Sharon deserves more respect because she's been associated with the show forever? I think Letitia Dean seems a lovely person so I'd like her to stay for her but not for her character.

I will definitely go on record saying that there is so much wrong with the show now. So many good actors are being underused or badly introduced so they are not accepted.

Sad.
iMatt_101
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by vaslav37:
“Good post Matt...

I still believe however she has been ruined but because the audience have not been told what happened to Sharon between 2006-2012 and this is frustrating - it seems like there are so many holes that have just been papered over with no solid backstory.

I agree that the character has obviously had a very turbulent time since Dennis died but we as an audience have to find out what has turned her into such a hated character- its obvious that the untold backstory is responsible for the current state of the character.

If what your saying is true then I respect that and I hope that the character will find her way out of the darkness but the writers need to hurry because Sharon has turned into Public Enemy Number 1 on EastEnders with Letitia herself bearing the brunt as the Actress who plays her...”

Well the man that she jilted on her return said that he 'rescued her from the gutter'. That gave off a few hints I think and strongly leads me to believe she was involved with prostotution. I reckon we'll find out more in her up-coming storyline. I do agree though that they need to hurry up with the big storyline. She is coming across very tiring and dragged out.
vaslav37
18-09-2013
Despite the nice pay cheque I am sure Letitia is furious about what is happening to Sharon.

Those who dislike Sharon or indeed Letitia should remember that Letitia herself has never bad mouthed EastEnders or criticsed it unlike a certain
Michelle Ryan who thinks she is too good to return to EastEnders.
IanMandy
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by vaslav37:
“Despite the nice pay cheque I am sure Letitia is furious about what is happening to Sharon.

Those who dislike Sharon or indeed Letitia should remember that Letitia herself has never bad mouthed EastEnders or criticsed it unlike a certain
Michelle Ryan who thinks she is too good to return to EastEnders.”

Patsy Palmer did the same think a few years ago- and look where she is working now. Says it all really
Markjuk
18-09-2013
Said it before and once again.....

The present crop of people writing for EE are useless - if they were inn the real world and not the bubble wrapped world of broadcasting they would have been sacked long ago for poor performance.

The situation has not been helped by an equally useless bunch of Producers (Kirkwood, Newman) - Kirkwood in particular who saw EE as a new Hollyoaks, with Newman trying to reverse this unsuccessfully.

People like Tony Jordan need to be tempted back to bring the show back up to a decent standard.
lilirose
18-09-2013
I don’t know why the blame is being laid on Lorraine’s door either. If Sharon’s return was planned by B.K surely they would have had a storyline lined up already. You don’t write the storyline after the actor has arrived. Jessie and Shane knew before they even appeared in EE, what Kat and Alfie’s return storyline was going to be (baby swap) and Sam talks in her interviews as if she knows exactly what direction they are taking Ronnie in.

Surely Letitia would have known before she signed up to return.
I don’t agree that they left her in the background either. They tried her with the Brannings to try and link her in the Square and they tried her with the Mitchells. Neither worked. If anything she was forcibly involved, almost shoe horned in Lexi/Lola storyline, a part which would have been much more fitted for Roxy, who was completely sidelined. If you think about it Roxy and Lola are family, they both are single mothers, Roxy went through a custody battle etc. they had so much more in common and it was much more natural and logical for Lola to ask Roxy for help. Sharon was a nobody to Lola. Why would she trust this stranger?

Maybe Sharon belongs in the past. The actress can’t act I am afraid. And I saw her last stint too. She is an important part of EE history but that doesn’t mean she fits in 2013’s EE.
I don’t think it is as easy to sort her out as Kat because she has no links on the square and Jessie is more capable actress who can shine through bad writing too.
Harlowe
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“I agree with every word you've written. As for the Peggy episode writer that's becoming a bit of a mystery. If it's a known writer using an alias then we'll recognise their style once we've seen the episode. I can't think of any reason to use an alias unless the episode is a complete mess which is possible. Maybe one of the actors ventured a script and doesn't want it known yet.”

Could be that there was so many contributors to the script that they couldn't just credit one writer they used a pen name instead because I heard that Barbara Windsor torn up the script and ad libbed! rather that or it's someone under another name, I mean would they give a big episode like that to a new writer with no credits, peculiar.

Originally Posted by vaslav37:
“Despite the nice pay cheque I am sure Letitia is furious about what is happening to Sharon.

Those who dislike Sharon or indeed Letitia should remember that Letitia herself has never bad mouthed EastEnders or criticsed it unlike a certain
Michelle Ryan who thinks she is too good to return to EastEnders.”

I'm sure the money is nice but if the work is dull and unfulfilling how long before she gets bored, I hope DCT does something but sometimes I wonder if she is too far gone and no longer fits with what EE is.

As far as I know MR never bad mouth the show, she just didn't want to return which is her prerogative, soap work isn't for everyone and actors want to try something else, she must getting some work, look at the actor who played Sean he said he was unemployed for 2 years before his got his big break with True Blood and that is when he had to leave the hobbit production as well.
Zack06
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“As far as I know MR never bad mouth the show, she just didn't want to return which is her prerogative, soap work isn't for everyone and actors want to try something else, she must getting some work, look at the actor who played Sean he said he was unemployed for 2 years before his got his big break with True Blood and that is when he had to leave the hobbit production as well.”

She did bad mouth the show, she said that she could "never escape" the show. Fair enough if she doesn't want to go back, but she is never really complementary about it as if she wants to pretend she never did it.

As for Rob, he's only done so well because he's hard working and talented. He also had a role in Pacific Rim. I can't remember seeing Letitia in anything besides EastEnders, and she is nowhere near as good in the acting department as Rob. Especially in her current stint. Her lack of acting ability is major factor in Sharon's failed return.
Harlowe
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“She did bad mouth the show, she said that she could "never escape" the show. Fair enough if she doesn't want to go back, but she is never really complementary about it as if she wants to pretend she never did it.

As for Rob, he's only done so well because he's hard working and talented. He also had a role in Pacific Rim. I can't remember seeing Letitia in anything besides EastEnders, and she is nowhere near as good in the acting department as Rob. Especially in her current stint. Her lack of acting ability is major factor in Sharon's failed return.”

Hardly bad mouthing it, if she said it was crap then I would say yes.

LD true has not been in much not for a long time, her acting is limited but she still should know a character she been playing off/on for 20 odd years.
Joe_Zel
18-09-2013
Michelle Ryan never bad mouthed the show itself, she simply said she grew tired of Eastenders constantly being the topic of conversation people bring up even years after she's left.

Whether she enjoyed her time on the show or not, I'd hate that too.

It must be like constantly being asked what it was like at school when you're in your mid 30s. She's moved on with her life that's all.

Every interview she does, no matter what it's for, they insist on asking if she would ever return. She doesn't want to, fair enough.
Zack06
18-09-2013
Originally Posted by Joe_Zel:
“Michelle Ryan never bad mouthed the show itself, she simply said she grew tired of Eastenders constantly being the topic of conversation people bring up even years after she's left.

Whether she enjoyed her time on the show or not, I'd hate that too.

It must be like constantly being asked what it was like at school when you're in your mid 30s. She's moved on with her life that's all.

Every interview she does, no matter what it's for, they insist on asking if she would ever return. She doesn't want to, fair enough.”

Doesn't give off that impression here: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...-from-zoe.html

She can't seem to accept that EastEnders was the show that made her, it's part of her past and career. Many ex-X Factor contestants have no qualms about constantly being asked about their time on the show, even 5+ years later, so I can't see why it's such a problem for Michelle.
vaslav37
18-09-2013
They should bring back Zoe played by a new Actress.

I would like to see a Kat/Zoe Mother/Daughter relationship and Kat never mentions Zoe anymore.
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