Just watched Atlantis, I reckon it has potential to be great! I can see it having alot more flexibility than its former two shows Robin Hood and merlin! Pairing it up with strictly it's a guaranteed two hours of escapist telly!!
The Ratings Thread (Part 53)
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Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“They copied SCD with Stepping Out, theyre copying Call the Midwife and Mad Men with Breathless and now it's this Jason and the Argonauts show which is similar to Atlantis. I think viewers ultimately realise these are just pale immitations 90pct of the time. Very rarely does a knock off version end up rating well [Dancing on Ice for instance].”
“They copied SCD with Stepping Out, theyre copying Call the Midwife and Mad Men with Breathless and now it's this Jason and the Argonauts show which is similar to Atlantis. I think viewers ultimately realise these are just pale immitations 90pct of the time. Very rarely does a knock off version end up rating well [Dancing on Ice for instance].”
So did Call the Midwide rip off Mad Men? I had never thought of them as being particularly similar beyond the period setting.
If Breathless is going to be like Mad Men (and as a fan of that show I feel that's a rather lofty target) then it's presumably not going to be that much like Call The Midwife.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“They have. But that's hardly the point. If BBC made a costume drama about a household containing the gentry and servants and called it Upbridge Manor, wouldn't people accuse the BBC of copying DA? Even though the premise is similar but content different? Of course they blinking would.”
“They have. But that's hardly the point. If BBC made a costume drama about a household containing the gentry and servants and called it Upbridge Manor, wouldn't people accuse the BBC of copying DA? Even though the premise is similar but content different? Of course they blinking would.”
Or Upstairs Downstairs? Though admittedly, I think that was commissioned before Downton Abbey; Downton just aired first.
The reverse happened with The Paradise and Mr Selfridge IIRC - Selfridge was commissioned before Paradise but Paradise aired first.
I'm guessing BARB don't do ratings for those around the world watching the last ever episode of Breaking Bad (2am British time) on live streaming 
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Or Upstairs Downstairs? Though admittedly, I think that was commissioned before Downton Abbey; Downton just aired first.
The reverse happened with The Paradise and Mr Selfridge IIRC - Selfridge was commissioned before Paradise but Paradise aired first.”
“Or Upstairs Downstairs? Though admittedly, I think that was commissioned before Downton Abbey; Downton just aired first.
The reverse happened with The Paradise and Mr Selfridge IIRC - Selfridge was commissioned before Paradise but Paradise aired first.”
I'm not really sure who actually made the first move but what I've read does point more to the BBC. I remember looking it up earlier this year when ITV was telling everyone who would listen that the BBC stole their idea, and found out that Bill Gallagher had been planning it for years, he took the book with him when pitching Lark Rise. There's also an article (http://www.theguardian.com/media/200...television.bbc) dated to 2008 talking about the adaptation and possible plans to set it in Newcastle. Interestingly it does mention Andrew Davies, who apparently mentioned the novel The Paradise is based on, I wonder if he was also considering an adaptation but Gallagher/BBC got there first which led to the Selfridges idea. There was also a good few months between the official commission announcements, BBC announced it in June 2011 and I think ITV announced theirs late 2011/early 2012.
That said I don't think it's a clear cut case where we can definitely say one commissioned theirs first and the other copied, personally I think both channels were looking at similar ideas and as soon as they realised that it became a race as to who could get theirs on air first, with the BBC, surprisingly, being just ahead every step of the way.
Having seen both I prefer The Paradise, but they both have their strengths (and quite a few weaknesses), put together The Paradise's cast, Mr Selfridge's budget and the combined talents of both writers and it could have been phenomenal.
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“I'm guessing BARB don't do ratings for those around the world watching the last ever episode of Breaking Bad (2am British time) on live streaming”
“I'm guessing BARB don't do ratings for those around the world watching the last ever episode of Breaking Bad (2am British time) on live streaming
”
The beeb have claimed 77 million for Doctor Who on all formats worldwide I believe, though I assume there is guesswork involved somewhere in reaching that.
They also said 35 million people in the UK watched at least 3 minutes of Doctor Who on BBC1 in 2012. So there's your UK rating for DW. Thirty five million.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Coincidence! How do we know this hasn't been in production for ages, much like DA and Upstairs Downstairs situation?”
“Coincidence! How do we know this hasn't been in production for ages, much like DA and Upstairs Downstairs situation?”
Jason & The Argonauts isn't in production. It's in development. And it hasn't been in development 'for ages' - it's being led by Tim Haines (ex-Impossible Pictures), who has only been at ITV since this summer ... in other words, well since Atlantis was commissioned.
Generous (or loyal?
) of you to suggest ITV might have got there first ... but not accurate in this instance.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Or Upstairs Downstairs? Though admittedly, I think that was commissioned before Downton Abbey; Downton just aired first.
The reverse happened with The Paradise and Mr Selfridge IIRC - Selfridge was commissioned before Paradise but Paradise aired first.”
“Or Upstairs Downstairs? Though admittedly, I think that was commissioned before Downton Abbey; Downton just aired first.
The reverse happened with The Paradise and Mr Selfridge IIRC - Selfridge was commissioned before Paradise but Paradise aired first.”
guestofseth is right - The Paradise was commissioned first, Mr Selfridge after.
I have just begun watching "Breaking Bad" first ever season
Was amazingly written acted and produced!
Was amazingly written acted and produced!
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Well yes, that is absurd. The BBC might get away with it with BBC One and BBC Two where only a single button press is required that viewers don't even have to think about, but at least they do so for a reason most of the time. This is just unnecessary and annoying. And given C4 reaches 4 times the number of people that More4 will achieve on a typical day, the ratings impact could be severe.”
“Well yes, that is absurd. The BBC might get away with it with BBC One and BBC Two where only a single button press is required that viewers don't even have to think about, but at least they do so for a reason most of the time. This is just unnecessary and annoying. And given C4 reaches 4 times the number of people that More4 will achieve on a typical day, the ratings impact could be severe.”
This is exactly what the Beeb did the last time they showed the Wembley game live, in 2008 - it was on BBC2 from 4.30-7 (because the clocks had gone back) before moving to BBC3 for the last hour or so.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Jason & The Argonauts isn't in production. It's in development. And it hasn't been in development 'for ages' - it's being led by Tim Haines (ex-Impossible Pictures), who has only been at ITV since this summer ... in other words, well since Atlantis was commissioned.
Generous (or loyal?) of you to suggest ITV might have got there first ... but not accurate in this instance.”
“Jason & The Argonauts isn't in production. It's in development. And it hasn't been in development 'for ages' - it's being led by Tim Haines (ex-Impossible Pictures), who has only been at ITV since this summer ... in other words, well since Atlantis was commissioned.
Generous (or loyal?
) of you to suggest ITV might have got there first ... but not accurate in this instance.”
So why would ITV want to be perceived as having a copycat show? If Atlantis is recommissioned (I'd say highly likely), it is obviously going to feature the monsters that 'Argonauts' will need to feature. But Atlantis will air these creatures first and when ITV air them people will just think they're showing/doing the same thing as Atlantis.
ITV had success with Primeval. Simply because it was different. Why can't they come up with something more original? Why not do a modern retelling of Aesops Fables?
Incidentally, Atlantis is number one on iPlayer, Saturdays SCD is number 2, Fridays is Number 3. EastEnders is number 4.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“So did Call the Midwide rip off Mad Men? I had never thought of them as being particularly similar beyond the period setting.
If Breathless is going to be like Mad Men (and as a fan of that show I feel that's a rather lofty target) then it's presumably not going to be that much like Call The Midwife.”
“So did Call the Midwide rip off Mad Men? I had never thought of them as being particularly similar beyond the period setting.
If Breathless is going to be like Mad Men (and as a fan of that show I feel that's a rather lofty target) then it's presumably not going to be that much like Call The Midwife.”
Until we have seen it we cant really judge. But I agree that to mention Mad Men alongside a Thursday night ITV drama seems not only pretentious but setting yourself up for a big fall.
ITV have commissioned a new drama that is copycatting BBC dramas.
It is a new Victorian costume drama set in one of Britains first blocks of flats. The shopkeeper opposite is the matriarchal lady who keeps the whole community together. She lives in the posh side though where tailors the Dratt Brothers have a thriving business. The flats are full of everyday folk who are struggling to make ends meet. The gay couple, Queenie and Blister are the comical characters. But in Victorian times they won't describe themselves as gay. Just happy.
High Rise in Sandlewood begins filming in November and will be broadcast in Autumn 2014.
It is a new Victorian costume drama set in one of Britains first blocks of flats. The shopkeeper opposite is the matriarchal lady who keeps the whole community together. She lives in the posh side though where tailors the Dratt Brothers have a thriving business. The flats are full of everyday folk who are struggling to make ends meet. The gay couple, Queenie and Blister are the comical characters. But in Victorian times they won't describe themselves as gay. Just happy.
High Rise in Sandlewood begins filming in November and will be broadcast in Autumn 2014.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“ITV have commissioned a new drama that is copycatting BBC dramas.
It is a new Victorian costume drama set in one of Britains first blocks of flats. The shopkeeper opposite is the matriarchal lady who keeps the whole community together. She lives in the posh side though where tailors the Dratt Brothers have a thriving business. The flats are full of everyday folk who are struggling to make ends meet. The gay couple, Queenie and Blister are the comical characters. But in Victorian times they won't describe themselves as gay. Just happy.
High Rise in Sandlewood begins filming in November and will be broadcast in Autumn 2014.”
“ITV have commissioned a new drama that is copycatting BBC dramas.
It is a new Victorian costume drama set in one of Britains first blocks of flats. The shopkeeper opposite is the matriarchal lady who keeps the whole community together. She lives in the posh side though where tailors the Dratt Brothers have a thriving business. The flats are full of everyday folk who are struggling to make ends meet. The gay couple, Queenie and Blister are the comical characters. But in Victorian times they won't describe themselves as gay. Just happy.
High Rise in Sandlewood begins filming in November and will be broadcast in Autumn 2014.”
Sarcasm overload - I love it.
Mike Large @Mike_Large 7m
#XFactor peaked with 10.9million (41%) last night on #itv and averaged 9.5m (38%).
#DowntonAbbey drew a peak audience of 10.5m viewers for the second week running and averaged 9.6m - 100,000 up on the opening ep #itv
#itv's primetime share last night was 8.1million (35%)
#XFactor peaked with 10.9million (41%) last night on #itv and averaged 9.5m (38%).
#DowntonAbbey drew a peak audience of 10.5m viewers for the second week running and averaged 9.6m - 100,000 up on the opening ep #itv
#itv's primetime share last night was 8.1million (35%)
Originally Posted by jonnyblack:
“Mike Large @Mike_Large 7m
#XFactor peaked with 10.9million (41%) last night on #itv and averaged 9.5m (38%).
#DowntonAbbey drew a peak audience of 10.5m viewers for the second week running and averaged 9.6m - 100,000 up on the opening ep #itv
#itv's primetime share last night was 8.1million (35%)”
“Mike Large @Mike_Large 7m
#XFactor peaked with 10.9million (41%) last night on #itv and averaged 9.5m (38%).
#DowntonAbbey drew a peak audience of 10.5m viewers for the second week running and averaged 9.6m - 100,000 up on the opening ep #itv
#itv's primetime share last night was 8.1million (35%)”
The X Factor really does the business on Sundays. That should be where ITV place it next year. Someone suggested that it could air Sundays and Mondays in the Autumn.
They could bring Splash! forward to Autumn with a Saturday Night Takeaway Double bill for Saturdays. DA still eating alive all opposition.
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“ITV have a much better line-up on Sunday nights.”
“ITV have a much better line-up on Sunday nights.”
What would happen if SCD was up against XF on Sundays?
Originally Posted by jonnyblack:
“Mike Large @Mike_Large 7m
#XFactor peaked with 10.9million (41%) last night on #itv and averaged 9.5m (38%).
#DowntonAbbey drew a peak audience of 10.5m viewers for the second week running and averaged 9.6m - 100,000 up on the opening ep #itv
#itv's primetime share last night was 8.1million (35%)”
“Mike Large @Mike_Large 7m
#XFactor peaked with 10.9million (41%) last night on #itv and averaged 9.5m (38%).
#DowntonAbbey drew a peak audience of 10.5m viewers for the second week running and averaged 9.6m - 100,000 up on the opening ep #itv
#itv's primetime share last night was 8.1million (35%)”
Much better for X Factor. Not as low as once thought, eh?
Shows that the poor lead-in did harm it on Saturday night.
Great for Downton also.
Do those include +1?
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“What would happen if SCD was up against XF on Sundays?”
“What would happen if SCD was up against XF on Sundays?”
They've still got a better line-up. ITV would be wise to avoid it really but they've brought X Factor earlier next Sunday to start before Strictly (and finish after)...
The X Factor rates best on Sundays. Always makes the stories about its demise after the Saturday ratings look foolish.
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“They've still got a better line-up. ITV would be wise to avoid it really but they've brought X Factor earlier next Sunday to start before Strictly (and finish after)...”
“They've still got a better line-up. ITV would be wise to avoid it really but they've brought X Factor earlier next Sunday to start before Strictly (and finish after)...”
True. Next Sunday will be interesting. I predict 8m-ish for both.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“What would happen if SCD was up against XF on Sundays?”
“What would happen if SCD was up against XF on Sundays?”
12 pages of argument on here?
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“What would happen if SCD was up against XF on Sundays?”
“What would happen if SCD was up against XF on Sundays?”
We will find out next sunday when there is a clash.
Anyway great for X Factor and Downton. Sunday nights are really strong for ITV. Hope by Any Means did well though. I watch this instead of Downton and its a really good drama.
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