People will watch if the Drama is good, it's hasn't been and people have given up with it. The cast I think is less of an issue, it's the storyline, Archie Mitchell wasn't in it for long but he had a great storyline and people got hooked watching it.

Yes there need's to be familiar characters and EE has lost to many to quickly but it's the Drama and storyline's that really bring in the numbers.

Storyline's make these shows tick over and EE has been going nowhere for to long. I by the way have been watching since day 1 so I'm not just here to slate it.

Ken

Agreed....

It doesn't matter who the character is really and if he is known to casual viewers as much but if the episodes are gripping and provide moments word will spread and people will tune in.

If they are, don't think there's enough time to reveal it tonight.

What the long running Characters do provide is history, continuity and of course being well loved. But Yes it's STORYLINES!

Please god I hope they turn it around!!

Ken

Of course it matters who the character is, more people are likely to watch a storyline with Ian, than with Tyler. As long a storyline is good and character is strong, then people will watch, at the moment they have neither (obviously some characters are stronger i.e Ronnie)

I think about 10% of XF's viewers would have switched off by 9pm so wouldn't have known that half of the finalists would have been revealed tonight. Despite the usual pessimistic lot in the XF forum, I think many right decisions were made, and it was put together pretty well. They haven't shown the "home visits" on the main show since 2007.

Saturday night:

X Factor is changing, I hate it, what have they done?!

X Factor is the same as last year, I hate it, why haven't they done something?!

Sunday morning:

X Factor ratings are terrible, Strictly is going to beat it every week this year. ITV should cancel it and try something new.

Monday morning:

Oh, so X Factor was the highest rated (entertainment) show of the week and peaked with 10-11m viewers which isn't too bad really.

Midweek:

Looking at those demo ratings posted by Rzt, X Factor is by some considerable distance the most lucrative show on TV at the moment. ITV probably won't be in a rush to cancel it.

Deep breath and repeat.

Apparently none of the acts put through have 'star quality' or the charisma to get the media or casual viewers talking. They are all quite underwhelming, pub singer-ish. No talking points.

Jury still out on Atlantis for me. Early thoughts are the show is too chaotic in its premise and is giving a more measured rival(if one should come along ofcourse) the chance to look better that it does.

Who's Danny?

Ah apologies, can now see the light! X Factor really is the best and it couldn't be any better. All hail the gods behind it!

Not sure why either the people for or against it are bothered at all tbh.

Danny Dyer.

10-11million is quite a long way off the 16-17million it was peaking with 3 years ago. XFactor needs to be compared to its own standards, as of the latest ratings data available for the most recent episode it is rating lower than last year. That is a bad trend to be on given that it has fallen heavily for two years already. It is now being comfortably beaten on Saturday nights by its main rival [1.6million defeat last week] where as most years they have been neck and neck or even with XF ahead.

Ahh very interesting.......

Viewers are more likely to get fatigue with a singing show than with a fun, light entertainment series that is Strictly. X Factor is mostly a serious competition that launches careers, Strictly doesn't. Strictly will outlive XF, and TVUK.

Exactly

They will


To an extent...Archie Mitchell (as explained) was hardly in it years and much loved but it involved Peggy,Ronnie,Phil,Stacey ect....

This storyline is similar because it will include 3 popular/long running Characters (Kat,Alfie,Janine) it will also affect Ronnie and Jack to an extent (And Alice,Joey and the Brannings + David,Carol,Bianca)

And to the people saying all is fine with XFactor because the Sunday episode rates better than Saturday, well here's the stats: so far this series the Saturday episodes have averaged a 38pct share while the Sunday episodes have averaged 36pct share. So Sunday episodes are getting lower shares than Saturdays. The only reason more viewers watch the Sunday episodes is because there are way more people watching tv on a Sunday at 8pm than Saturday at 8pm. It is a stark contrast to 2009 and 2010 when the Sunday episode not only rated higher than Saturday's in terms of viewers but also higher in terms of share too.

Comparing the show to its own standards isn't an altogether ridiculous idea - but the problem is that you're selecting a very small number of episodes (maybe 10 at most) out of 400 for that comparison.

But really, it just highlights my post - round and round in circles we go! And it shall all begin again tomorrow morning. Then we'll back up a bit on Monday.

Really enjoyed Strictly tonight, it benefits from the bigger studio and larger audience although Craig's comments about male posteriors are becoming a bit painful.

C4 showing a couple of good films back to back tonight - although they're hardly blockbusters so maybe the ratings won't be brilliant (still, Kunis/Timberlake might draw a post X Factor crowd on +1).


Bargain Hunt has a higher share than New Tricks. The only reason more people watch New Tricks is because there are way more people watching TV at 9pm on a Tuesday than there are at 11am. Hence the BBC should move Bargain Hunt to primetime immediately.

PS: In 2010 (according to the ever reliable wikipedia), on 10 out of 13 weekends including the final, the Sunday show had a lower share than the Saturday show. So I'd not read too much into the significance of higher Saturday shares.

When the ratings can't be spun, turn to share and when the share can't be spun, just lie!

Ah, though that was more down to him stating he'd never stoop so low to join EastEnders a couple of years. Not quite sure who in this arrangement is the most desperate. To use Sameul's own strategy 6-7million is quite a long way off the 16-17million it was peaking with 3 years ago.

Still living in the past are we XF will never again reach the that height. One thing that is certain is that XF is one of the only shows to reach 19million after the millennium. The BBC would dream of ratings that high.

Anyway, ITV are more interested in the raw figure which will deliver the money. Catching up on XF in now the norm, as it is not 'must-watch' TV anymore.

But Im not comparing two different shows at two completely different times to each other, obviously what youve done is a ridiculous comparison and youve completely missed the point I was making. Im comparing XF on a Saturday at 8pm to XF on a Sunday at 8pm. The total tv audience goes up a lot on a Sunday between 8-9pm compared to Saturday at 8-9pm. Therefore as long as XF holds its share on Sunday vs Saturday, it is always going to rate better on a Sunday naturally due to the huge number more viewers watching tv in that slot.


Youre using wikipedia, that says it all. With the actual stats: in 2010 the performance shows got 48.5pct but results got a slightly higher share on the Sunday. This series so far, the Sunday episodes have actually averaged 2pct less than Saturday's. Obviously the no. of viewers so far this series have gone up on Sundays because an average of 3.4million more viewers have been watching tv in that Sunday slot than on Saturday's. When there's 3.4million more viewers watching tv at 8-9pm from one day to the next, that is always going to help boost the ratings.

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