Originally Posted by James J:
“...as well as Liz McDonald returning...”
“...as well as Liz McDonald returning...”
All the things you mentioned will boost ratings, except perhaps that one. Liz makes more returns than Sharon and Peggy combined!
The Ratings Thread (Part 53)
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All the things you mentioned will boost ratings, except perhaps that one. Liz makes more returns than Sharon and Peggy combined!
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Eastenders might be in a 'state'. But statistically she was incorrect to say Eastenders was the third soap. According to official BARB figures, it is still the second soap. She shouldnt be saying such things on national television, defamating Eastenders with those remarks, when she's not got all the facts correct. Ive always thought there was something fishy about her.”
“Eastenders might be in a 'state'. But statistically she was incorrect to say Eastenders was the third soap. According to official BARB figures, it is still the second soap. She shouldnt be saying such things on national television, defamating Eastenders with those remarks, when she's not got all the facts correct. Ive always thought there was something fishy about her.”
But Samuel!! We don't care about whether it's in 3rd or not, all we care about is the fact that it's lost well over 1m viewers in 3 years!! So this silly squabbling over the small issue of 3rd is totally trivial.
What she said was right. And Officially is Emmerdale is not that far behind with HD added in. So please stop this 3Rd place nonsense. The fact that EE is close to EM says all we need to know!
Ken
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“All but one of The Paradise's episodes (first ep) were below 5million, its lowest time shift rating was 5.13million. I wonder if the better and more popular Mr Selfridge will affect The Pardise's rating's, or whether the older skewing watchers of TV on Sunday who won't watch XF, will stay on BBC from Strictly? More than likely. I think The Paradise could be up from the premiere last year, say 6million+”
“All but one of The Paradise's episodes (first ep) were below 5million, its lowest time shift rating was 5.13million. I wonder if the better and more popular Mr Selfridge will affect The Pardise's rating's, or whether the older skewing watchers of TV on Sunday who won't watch XF, will stay on BBC from Strictly? More than likely. I think The Paradise could be up from the premiere last year, say 6million+”
I have this thought that it could knock The X Factor down, The viewers might be tired of that rubbish and looking for a interesting Drama to watch instead.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Richard Bacon revealed on his radio show yesterday that his agent was contacted by Itv to ask him to appear on Splash. He obviously declined. Apparently lots of D listers are rejecting offers to appear on the show, its lineup is set to be even worse than series 1!”
“Richard Bacon revealed on his radio show yesterday that his agent was contacted by Itv to ask him to appear on Splash. He obviously declined. Apparently lots of D listers are rejecting offers to appear on the show, its lineup is set to be even worse than series 1!”
Why obviously? Is Richard Bacon someone to be impressed by?
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“ The scheduling and handling of it by the BBC suits as well as the producers have put EastEnders in this mess.”
“ The scheduling and handling of it by the BBC suits as well as the producers have put EastEnders in this mess.”
This is true. Some people seem to think of the BBC as this mass of people all working towards a single aim, but it isn't. There are rivalries between departments, and within departments, and there are fights over slots on BBC One, and it isn't entirely out of the question that some people might have been actively plotting against EastEnders in recent years.
Given the way Kirkwood was allowed to struggle on for a couple of years despite the problems being apparent on screen, and given how the BBC Three repeat got moved from a slot where it was the most-watched programme on any multichannel, to a later slot where it struggles to make the multichannel Top 30, and given how the omnibus edition got bumped from the Sunday BBC One slot it had occupied for 27 years, to the early hours of the morning, and then to a different channel, where it now moves from Sundays to Saturdays to Sundays again, I don't think we can be certain there hasn't been a good attempt at doing it some damage.
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Why obviously? Is Richard Bacon someone to be impressed by?”
“Why obviously? Is Richard Bacon someone to be impressed by?”
He revealed on his radio show he declined it. Even someone of the relatively low celeb status of Richard Bacon is rejecting Splash. The people who will end up appearing on it will be proper Z listers or Itv2/E4 scripted reality tv wannabes. Basically Splash has no chance of competing well against the Voice in January with the kind of weak lineup it seems to be assembling.
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“But Samuel!! We don't care about whether it's in 3rd or not, all we care about is the fact that it's lost well over 1m viewers in 3 years!! So this silly squabbling over the small issue of 3rd is totally trivial.
What she said was right. And Officially is Emmerdale is not that far behind with HD added in. So please stop this 3Rd place nonsense. The fact that EE is close to EM says all we need to know!
Ken”
“But Samuel!! We don't care about whether it's in 3rd or not, all we care about is the fact that it's lost well over 1m viewers in 3 years!! So this silly squabbling over the small issue of 3rd is totally trivial.
What she said was right. And Officially is Emmerdale is not that far behind with HD added in. So please stop this 3Rd place nonsense. The fact that EE is close to EM says all we need to know!
Ken”
Can we stop talking about Eastfriggin'Enders! It is 3rd in the soap stakes at the moment and until it gets better will remain third (unless of course EM becomes weaker which is totally possible).
The BBC should have taken my advice and ended it for a month, when Phil had his crash. A month later the storylines could have been re-written, cast members cfould have shot new exciting scenes and then EE could have relaunched at the start of October with a massive storyline which could have been promoted constantly on TV and radio. They didn't. They let it limp on until it entered a hospital ward for being poorly.
Samuel, accept it. EE is in crisis. The BBC have only themselves to blame.
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“But Samuel!! We don't care about whether it's in 3rd or not, all we care about is the fact that it's lost well over 1m viewers in 3 years!! So this silly squabbling over the small issue of 3rd is totally trivial.
What she said was right. And Officially is Emmerdale is not that far behind with HD added in. So please stop this 3Rd place nonsense. The fact that EE is close to EM says all we need to know!
Ken”
“But Samuel!! We don't care about whether it's in 3rd or not, all we care about is the fact that it's lost well over 1m viewers in 3 years!! So this silly squabbling over the small issue of 3rd is totally trivial.
What she said was right. And Officially is Emmerdale is not that far behind with HD added in. So please stop this 3Rd place nonsense. The fact that EE is close to EM says all we need to know!
Ken”
I agree. At the moment the two are neck and neck officially although I always like to point out that the BBC3 repeat figures are never included in EE official figure. The 2nd soap arguement is boring either way.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Can we stop talking about Eastfriggin'Enders! It is 3rd in the soap stakes at the moment and until it gets better will remain third (unless of course EM becomes weaker which is totally possible).
The BBC should have taken my advice and ended it for a month, when Phil had his crash. A month later the storylines could have been re-written, cast members cfould have shot new exciting scenes and then EE could have relaunched at the start of October with a massive storyline which could have been promoted constantly on TV and radio. They didn't. They let it limp on until it entered a hospital ward for being poorly.
Samuel, accept it. EE is in crisis. The BBC have only themselves to blame.”
“Can we stop talking about Eastfriggin'Enders! It is 3rd in the soap stakes at the moment and until it gets better will remain third (unless of course EM becomes weaker which is totally possible).
The BBC should have taken my advice and ended it for a month, when Phil had his crash. A month later the storylines could have been re-written, cast members cfould have shot new exciting scenes and then EE could have relaunched at the start of October with a massive storyline which could have been promoted constantly on TV and radio. They didn't. They let it limp on until it entered a hospital ward for being poorly.
Samuel, accept it. EE is in crisis. The BBC have only themselves to blame.”
That would be super silly, total hysteria. But hey I agree with your first sentence in that post!
Ken
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Samuel, accept it. EE is in crisis. The BBC have only themselves to blame.”
“Samuel, accept it. EE is in crisis. The BBC have only themselves to blame.”
Unless it's on ITV, he won't.
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Unless it's on ITV, he won't.”
“Unless it's on ITV, he won't.”
He does accept it he's just to busy arguing over silly little things.
Ken
Ive already said a number of times that Eastenders isnt in good shape. But it is not the third rating soap officially, thats my point. I have an issue with people like Barbara Windsor and others calling it the "third soap", according to BARB viewing figures officially it is still the 2nd soap. Saying it is the third soap makes the situation sound worse than it is. Obviously things need to be improved with Eastenders but right now, it is still No. 2.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“You might want to check your facts before associating Newman with Kirkwood: she had worked on EastEnders for years before he ever started on the show. She was John Yorke's protege - hence her working with him on City Central - and he promoted her and also appointed Kirkwood. He was always fully across EastEnders - maybe more so than his job description would require - so if anyone is to blame for the rut the show fell into, it's him.”
“You might want to check your facts before associating Newman with Kirkwood: she had worked on EastEnders for years before he ever started on the show. She was John Yorke's protege - hence her working with him on City Central - and he promoted her and also appointed Kirkwood. He was always fully across EastEnders - maybe more so than his job description would require - so if anyone is to blame for the rut the show fell into, it's him.”
Kirkwood's appointment wasn't really the problem. The problem was the fact Kirkwood was allowed to stay in the job for over two years, despite a massive decline in the programme's quality under his watch.
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“That would be super silly, total hysteria. But hey I agree with your first sentence in that post!
Ken”
“That would be super silly, total hysteria. But hey I agree with your first sentence in that post!
Ken”
Soap is more addictive than heroin. You don't want the viewers to be able to get by without their fix.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Have a look at this from a Doctor Who news page:”
“Have a look at this from a Doctor Who news page:”
So basically..
BBC One (23/11/13):
17:40: ??DW themed Pointless???
18:30: Strictly Come Dancing
19:45: Doctor Who
21:00: National Lottery Draws
21:10: Casualty
22:00: BBC News
22:20: Match of the Day
According to iPlayer, Atlantis is available until Sat 4th Jan which would mean the last episode will go out on Sat 28th Dec. So it looks like it will be Atlantis that skips a week on 23/11/13.
One of the Eastenders actors Scott Maslen made a good point recently. He said that budget cuts at the BBC and DQF meant that Eastenders' budget has reduced. It means that in the last couple of years, Eastenders has not had the promotional/marketing budget it used to, it no longer has as many big money stunts as it used to, the show cant afford big name actors like it used to etc. The Itv soaps have a bigger budget and therefore they keep having these big storylines like the upcoming Emmerdale siege which get promoted loads all over Itv with special trailers. Due to DQF, the BBC cannot afford to spend as much money publicising Eastenders and making big money deals to seal cast members to 10-year deals which other soaps do.
Pizza, you keep talking about Kirkwood and bringing his name up. But what about Newman, why dont you criticise her too? Shes failed to reverse Kirkwood's decline, in fact she accelarated EE's decline under her watch once her storylines came into play.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Kirkwood's appointment wasn't really the problem. The problem was the fact Kirkwood was allowed to stay in the job for over two years, despite a massive decline in the programme's quality under his watch.”
“Kirkwood's appointment wasn't really the problem. The problem was the fact Kirkwood was allowed to stay in the job for over two years, despite a massive decline in the programme's quality under his watch.”
Pizza, you keep talking about Kirkwood and bringing his name up. But what about Newman, why dont you criticise her too? Shes failed to reverse Kirkwood's decline, in fact she accelarated EE's decline under her watch once her storylines came into play.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“He revealed on his radio show he declined it. Even someone of the relatively low celeb status of Richard Bacon is rejecting Splash. The people who will end up appearing on it will be proper Z listers or Itv2/E4 scripted reality tv wannabes. Basically Splash has no chance of competing well against the Voice in January with the kind of weak lineup it seems to be assembling.”
“He revealed on his radio show he declined it. Even someone of the relatively low celeb status of Richard Bacon is rejecting Splash. The people who will end up appearing on it will be proper Z listers or Itv2/E4 scripted reality tv wannabes. Basically Splash has no chance of competing well against the Voice in January with the kind of weak lineup it seems to be assembling.”
Maybe he can't swim. Another reason why he MUST appear on it.
Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“So basically..
BBC One (23/11/13):
17:40: ??DW themed Pointless???
18:30: Strictly Come Dancing
19:45: Doctor Who
21:00: National Lottery Draws
21:10: Casualty
22:00: BBC News
22:20: Match of the Day
According to iPlayer, Atlantis is available until Sat 4th Jan which would mean the last episode will go out on Sat 28th Dec. So it looks like it will be Atlantis that skips a week on 23/11/13.”
“So basically..
BBC One (23/11/13):
17:40: ??DW themed Pointless???
18:30: Strictly Come Dancing
19:45: Doctor Who
21:00: National Lottery Draws
21:10: Casualty
22:00: BBC News
22:20: Match of the Day
According to iPlayer, Atlantis is available until Sat 4th Jan which would mean the last episode will go out on Sat 28th Dec. So it looks like it will be Atlantis that skips a week on 23/11/13.”
Or Christmas Eve. So far, Atlantis' ratings combined are on par with series 5 of Merlin.
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Soap is more addictive than heroin. You don't want the viewers to be able to get by without their fix.”
“Soap is more addictive than heroin. You don't want the viewers to be able to get by without their fix.”
I'm sure your wife would agree!
Good point fine sir!
Ken
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“I'm sure your wife would agree!
Good point fine sir!
Ken”
“I'm sure your wife would agree!
Good point fine sir!
Ken”
Ken, forgot to ask, what does YOUR wife think?
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“One of the Eastenders actors Scott Maslen made a good point recently. He said that budget cuts at the BBC and DQF meant that Eastenders' budget has reduced. It means that in the last couple of years, Eastenders has not had the promotional/marketing budget it used to, it no longer has as many big money stunts as it used to, the show cant afford big name actors like it used to etc. The Itv soaps have a bigger budget and therefore they keep having these big storylines like the upcoming Emmerdale siege which get promoted loads all over Itv with special trailers. Due to DQF, the BBC cannot afford to spend as much money publicising Eastenders and making big money deals to seal cast members to 10-year deals which other soaps do.
Pizza, you keep talking about Kirkwood and bringing his name up. But what about Newman, why dont you criticise her too? Shes failed to reverse Kirkwood's decline, in fact she accelarated EE's decline under her watch once her storylines came into play.”
“One of the Eastenders actors Scott Maslen made a good point recently. He said that budget cuts at the BBC and DQF meant that Eastenders' budget has reduced. It means that in the last couple of years, Eastenders has not had the promotional/marketing budget it used to, it no longer has as many big money stunts as it used to, the show cant afford big name actors like it used to etc. The Itv soaps have a bigger budget and therefore they keep having these big storylines like the upcoming Emmerdale siege which get promoted loads all over Itv with special trailers. Due to DQF, the BBC cannot afford to spend as much money publicising Eastenders and making big money deals to seal cast members to 10-year deals which other soaps do.
Pizza, you keep talking about Kirkwood and bringing his name up. But what about Newman, why dont you criticise her too? Shes failed to reverse Kirkwood's decline, in fact she accelarated EE's decline under her watch once her storylines came into play.”
EastEnders has never been a stunt based soap
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“Agreed.
Monday 1st October 2012: 6.91m........plus see below.
”
“Agreed.
Monday 1st October 2012: 6.91m........plus see below.
”
But that's not the same episode last year is it.
I was comparing it with the 8th October episode which got 7.6m. Why compare it to the week previous? Makes no sense. I was comparing to 2012's equivalent episode.
As for last night. Anyone would think this is the first time Emmerdale and EE have clashed judging by the reactions today. 4.5m for EE is very poor though. It did better from some previous clashes earlier this year when against Emmerdale when it was getting around 5.5m. The EE ratings crisis continues...
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“He revealed on his radio show he declined it. Even someone of the relatively low celeb status of Richard Bacon is rejecting Splash. The people who will end up appearing on it will be proper Z listers or Itv2/E4 scripted reality tv wannabes. Basically Splash has no chance of competing well against the Voice in January with the kind of weak lineup it seems to be assembling.”
“He revealed on his radio show he declined it. Even someone of the relatively low celeb status of Richard Bacon is rejecting Splash. The people who will end up appearing on it will be proper Z listers or Itv2/E4 scripted reality tv wannabes. Basically Splash has no chance of competing well against the Voice in January with the kind of weak lineup it seems to be assembling.”
To be fair he's of a fairly high standing nowadays and a well respected broadcaster thanks to his 5 Live show. And probably still the most famous Blue Peter presenter of the last 20 years.
I do agree though Splash will struggle for celebs - but that's probably as much down to the concept as it is the status of the show. Still think it'll top The Voice though.
Originally Posted by James J:
“It's an opinion on a public discussion forum. How on EARTH is it not acceptable on a forum which discusses celebrity's surgery and all manner of random topics?”
“It's an opinion on a public discussion forum. How on EARTH is it not acceptable on a forum which discusses celebrity's surgery and all manner of random topics?”
You knew what you were doing, but so did the moderators.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“One of the Eastenders actors Scott Maslen made a good point recently. He said that budget cuts at the BBC and DQF meant that Eastenders' budget has reduced. It means that in the last couple of years, Eastenders has not had the promotional/marketing budget it used to, it no longer has as many big money stunts as it used to, the show cant afford big name actors like it used to etc. The Itv soaps have a bigger budget and therefore they keep having these big storylines like the upcoming Emmerdale siege which get promoted loads all over Itv with special trailers. Due to DQF, the BBC cannot afford to spend as much money publicising Eastenders and making big money deals to seal cast members to 10-year deals which other soaps do.”
“One of the Eastenders actors Scott Maslen made a good point recently. He said that budget cuts at the BBC and DQF meant that Eastenders' budget has reduced. It means that in the last couple of years, Eastenders has not had the promotional/marketing budget it used to, it no longer has as many big money stunts as it used to, the show cant afford big name actors like it used to etc. The Itv soaps have a bigger budget and therefore they keep having these big storylines like the upcoming Emmerdale siege which get promoted loads all over Itv with special trailers. Due to DQF, the BBC cannot afford to spend as much money publicising Eastenders and making big money deals to seal cast members to 10-year deals which other soaps do.”
None of this has ANYTHING to do with why the show is in the state it is in. The show doesn't need big money stunts or big name actors, it just needs consistently well written characters and storylines. It's not rocket science.
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