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All these posts this morning and we haven't got any actual unaggregated ratings in yet...
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The x factor was awful last night. I thought the whole show was like an episode of the xtra factor. If it had any decent competition, it would have really suffered.
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Referring to a comment upthread. Brushstrokes was indeed on Fridays before Dynasty as I remember wanting it to finish pronto for my Carrington fix.
X Factor has no X factor. It seems hollow. I thought I would like the reversion to closed auditions but what's the point when they do the arena auditions too? BBC have attempted to show new LE but this clearly hasn't worked. I like I Love my Country and I could see what they were attempting with The Puppet show. Otherwise Lottery gameshows, Casualty and MOTD. Big hopes for Atlantis and thank goodness for Strictly. ITV have again attempted new formats such as Splash! but they seem to be reliant on older formats in either a celebrity format...why? Wouldn't it be cheaper/funnier with regular people? What would they do without Ant & Dec and Cowell? |
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All these posts this morning and we haven't got any actual unaggregated ratings in yet...
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Referring to a comment upthread. Brushstrokes was indeed on Fridays before Dynasty as I remember wanting it to finish pronto for my Carrington fix.
X Factor has no X factor. It seems hollow. I thought I would like the reversion to closed auditions but what's the point when they do the arena auditions too? BBC have attempted to show new LE but this clearly hasn't worked. I like I Love my Country and I could see what they were attempting with The Puppet show. Otherwise Lottery gameshows, Casualty and MOTD. Big hopes for Atlantis and thank goodness for Strictly. ITV have again attempted new formats such as Splash! but they seem to be reliant on older formats in either a celebrity format...why? Wouldn't it be cheaper/funnier with regular people? What would they do without Ant & Dec and Cowell? |
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The original Brush Strokes was on Mondays at 8.30pm. On Fridays they showed repeats against Corrie a couple of years later.
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BBC One had a 18.1pct share for yesterday which is about the same as last week. None of the BBC PR brigade have tweeted the Bruce Forsyth special rating either. So it may not have rated particularly well. That is actually worse news for XFactor if the Bruce Forsyth show rated low [i.e. 3-4million] as it means XF was down even against low rating competition.
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Stricly must be the only show that hasn't been effected by the digital age
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Strictly is less likely to be affected to the era of fragmented televison viewing due to it presumably attracting older audiences?
In terms of profitability ITV must prefer X factor to strictly? 8m X Factor viewers would be far more lucrative to advertisers than say 10m strictly viewers surely? Both shows ultimately do exceptionally well for their respective networks, the BBC not existing to make money from adverts is the only FTA network that can truly cater for advertiser unfriendly democratics. That is why their sunday CF and AR stable is so valuable it caters for an audience that commercial networks aren't overly interested in |
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It is over in terms of Xf beating Scd this year. Won't happen, there's no signs of upward trajectory. Xf is remaining static between 8-9million against fairly average competition on Saturdays so far. It's not going to do much better when it starts facing much tougher competition in the form of Scd and Atlantis. This is Strictlys year once again.
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they should ban performances on youtube and ban repeats and don't offer it on a catch up service just maybe then ratings will improve.
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ITV have again attempted new formats such as Splash! but they seem to be reliant on older formats in either a celebrity format...why? Wouldn't it be cheaper/funnier with regular people? What would they do without Ant & Dec and Cowell?
But fortunately, ITV do have A&D and Cowell... because they signed them and backed them and maintained a strong relationship with both. So good work ITV. |
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I agree, XF will not be beating Strictly this year. Not that I think it ever stood a chance of doing so to be honest, last year Strictly was getting 10m+ overnights which XF won't be matching. Having said that, I'm sure ITV will cope with overnights of 8-9million every week once again given how things could have gone this year. There won't be much of a ratings war, but if XF still does well then ITV should be happy.
I'll be really interested to see how Atlantis does though, as that has the potential to either dent or boost XF slightly depending on which way it goes. It really should launch well though. Back in 2008 Merlin launched at 6.65m out of a weaker SCD lead-in than the one Atlantis will get and against a stronger XF than the one Atlantis will face, so surely they'll be hoping to match, if not beat that audience next weekend. Doubled edged sword for ITV too - they don't really want Atlantis to flop because it woud inevitably be moved to 6pm if it did, pushing Strictly later. That explains why Sam keeps saying it's awful. Quote:
BBC One had a 18.1pct share for yesterday which is about the same as last week. None of the BBC PR brigade have tweeted the Bruce Forsyth special rating either. So it may not have rated particularly well. That is actually worse news for XFactor if the Bruce Forsyth show rated low [i.e. 3-4million] as it means XF was down even against low rating competition.
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BBC One had a 18.1pct share for yesterday which is about the same as last week. None of the BBC PR brigade have tweeted the Bruce Forsyth special rating either. So it may not have rated particularly well. That is actually worse news for XFactor if the Bruce Forsyth show rated low [i.e. 3-4million] as it means XF was down even against low rating competition.
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Still no more ratings and DS not updated since Thursday.
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Still no more ratings and DS not updated since Thursday.
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Still very good for X Factor. Last night's episode wasn't very good though and I wonder how many other people feel the same and won't watch tonight.
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Still no more ratings and DS not updated since Thursday.
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Strictly is less likely to be affected to the era of fragmented televison viewing due to it presumably attracting older audiences?
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Still very good for X Factor. Last night's episode wasn't very good though and I wonder how many other people feel the same and won't watch tonight.
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4.8% share for Five yesterday, beating BBC Two by 0.3 share points. Strongest Saturday in months. We can safely assume The Great Escape and Hang 'Em High rated well for the channel.
Not often Saturday is comfortably Five's strongest day of the week.
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It's a myth that ITV don't want older audiences: they can sell advertising in old-skewing dramas on the basis of ABC1 Adults. Retired people retain the socio-economic status they had when they worked. Of course if shows skew very old AND downmarket and are not cheap (said to be the downfall of Heartbeat for instance) then they're not commercially attractive.
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Can I ask what ABC1 refers to? I see it mentioned regularly but didn't want to ask for fear of being labelled as thick!
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Can I ask what ABC1 refers to? I see it mentioned regularly but didn't want to ask for fear of being labelled as thick!
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It's a social demographic - based on people's income and spending power. Used across all sorts of industries - not just TV ratings. There's six categories:
A B C1 C2 D E They're usually grouped into ABC1 and C2DE. Obviously, for some advertisers - think luxury watches or expensive cars - they're very interested in programmes that reach a lot of the former. So that's how some channels sell ad slots in some of their shows. (The above link naturally a lot more useful than my explanation!) |
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It's a myth that ITV don't want older audiences: they can sell advertising in old-skewing dramas on the basis of ABC1 Adults. Retired people retain the socio-economic status they had when they worked. Of course if shows skew very old AND downmarket and are not cheap (said to be the downfall of Heartbeat for instance) then they're not commercially attractive.
There's never really an occasion where they want to reach the 55+ demographic (not because they're ageist but just because they've got so many of them already!). Only if they're ABC1. Of course, what ITV have realised is that such a combination of upmarket and young rarely happens for them, particularly not for drama. And after their failed experiments in 2007/2008 (The Palace, Rock Rivals) they're just happy to have a good ABC1 audience, regardless of age! But it does mean entertainment and sport really has to reach those 16-34's or else ITV1 becomes irrelevant to that audience, which is the most lucrative of all. |
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Can I ask what ABC1 refers to? I see it mentioned regularly but didn't want to ask for fear of being labelled as thick!
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