Now I see no disgrace in those numbers at all. As for the XFactor, I don't watch it because I'm personally not into that kind of thing but for a 9-10 year old show it's doing very well indeed and it's up on last year so I see no need to bicker about it.

I feel uneasy about slating a show just because I don't personally like it, that seem to me a very childish and selfish thing to do..

Ken

Xfactor have pushed back to 2020 next weekend so hardly any overlap with SCD.

So ITV blinked first and up against the first episode of Atlantis.

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#Downton Abbey begins. We’ll be tweeting along. *baited breath*.
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I would expect the same to happen the following Saturday as well: a 20:20 start would still see The X Factor finishing before 22:00. That schedule will be confirmed this Wednesday.

The week after that (12 October), with both shows lasting around 2 hours or more, and so a major clash cannot sensibly be avoided, is when the fun starts.

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Probably because nobody has ever agreed what the parameters are - when does primetime start and finish? include +1 or not and with big timeshifts now the norm its probably a bit irrelevant as overnight primetime shares could be very differant when consolidated figures come out. I agree they were good for the ratings thread though - we could argue about them for days.

As for a Mrs Browns Boys movie cant say I am suprised but as a big fan of the show I am not sure he can pull it off - as others have said the audience is part of the show - how can you do that on film?

Make a film about making a television show I guess.I hear the two Christmas specials were pretty riotous and Brendan has hinted strongly at a new series in 2014.

People could turn over to X Factor after, Then turn back to BBC1 as soon they realize X Factor is on bootcamp. Plus Atlantis has appeal to these who don't watch X Factor.

Is my EPG correct? 5* have a double-bill of new The Walking Dead tonight? Good for the few like me who are watching at the slow pace of C5. Is it perhaps in light of FOX announcing its imminent season 4 premiere?

Watching By Any Means, being one of the few who has never seen a second of Downtown Abbey. I just don't get the appeal and from the latest trailers I most definitely won't be watching any time soon.

Hes on a roll just now and needs to capitalise so I would think a new series is definate - hope so.

But it's brand new boot camp with musical chairs.

I expect they'll have a big promotional push on it this week.

Copying the BBC

Thankfully rzt periodically publishes them, excluding +1 and on the basis of 19:00-23:00, in accordance with how DS used to give the primetime shares.

From Broadcast I can give the overnight primetime shares for the week of 9-15 September:

BBC One - 20.6% (down -1.6% from equivalent week in 2012)
BBC Two - 7.9% (+0.7%)
ITV - 23.6% (+0.8%)
Channel 4 - 7.0% (+0.4%)
Channel 5 - 4.1% (+0.6%)
Others - 36.8% (-0.9%)

The above include +1 and use a primetime definition of 18:00-22:30. The latter is favourable for BBC One in that it includes their strong weekday news hour at 18:00, but it omits the 22:30-23:00 slot which is also pretty good for them, relative to their terrestrial competitors.

BBC One down quite a bit year-on-year for that particular week, at the expense of the other four terrrestrial channels. The post-Olympics afterglow enjoyed by BBC One last year possibly accounts for part of this, along with the fact that Strictly aired in the equivalent week in 2012 but not in 2013.

Broadcast also records the overnight daytime shares (09:30-18:00) for the same week (9-15 September 2013):

BBC One - 18.5%
BBC Two - 3.95%
ITV - 13.5%
Channel 4 - 5.7%
Channel 5 - 4.3%
Others - 53.9%

I honestly don't see Atlantis and X Factor damaging each other that badly. They will both appeal to very different audiences, both will be able to have a large audience. Atlantis will probably get 6-7m and X Factor on about 8m, figures not to be sniffed at all round.

Lol am watching this as well. Am not a big fan of Downtown.

Already 15mins in, the critics are saying that Downton abbey seems different with all the new characters and changes:

Leigh Holmwood ‏@LeighHolmwood 1m
I usually love #DowntonAbbey but I'm really not feeling this. It'll get better right?

The backlash has commenced.

How do those Primetime share work Neil? Am not very good with things like this does that mean itv won every night that particular week?

Do you really have nothing better to do than look around the internet for negative comments about ITV shows?!

There's more to life than TV ratings Samuel.

Lol not everyone is going to like it, but I bet a lot still love it. Me I've never liked it but still....

You've got to avoid underpredicting for a show you like.

XF usually does see a bit of a boost for its final audition show, so I'd predict 9.2m.

Bootcamp looks interesting from the trailer - they'll have to promote it though.

It was a tweet made a couple mins ago from one of the people I follow. I didnt go around specifically searching for that kind of comment.

Samuel. Why? Just watch a TV show and enjoy it. Don't google to find out peoples views on things, just chill out! I don't watch Downton. I am recording By Any Means. I am watching Hot Shots Part Deux on Film 4+1. Try something on a different channel. Go on. I know you'll tremble when you get the remote in your hand. But come on mate. Press a different button. NO! NOT 2! A different one altogether!