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Good again for Bad Education but it's down on last week. How long before that makes it to BBC1/2 though? Can you imagine Bad Education on BBC1? I can't, it would look so out of place. Big School is more BBC1's level. |
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This. The fact EE has started to maintain its audience is a good thing. And as you said ED is doing all their big stories now and in fairness is doing really well. However what will happen when it starts to go back to normal day to day things that's the question. Will it fall or maintain how well its doing now.
Bake-Off peaked with 6.1m (24.4%) at 20:50. The football peaked with 5.8m (24.5%) at 9pm. Later Live with Jools Holland: 677k (3.8%) |
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We're most unlikely to hear about that from Bushmills, who shines the light on negatives exclusively. (unless it's the Beeb)
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It's becoming hard to compare BBC and ITV ratings nowadays.
Long long ago the BBC and ITV would have a huge cross-over audience, BBC a good bit posher of course. But for most people BBC/ITV were offering similar programming. Now it's like comparing apples and oranges, BBC/ITV programmes increasingly attract very different people. |
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"EastEnders" is now on the road to recovery anyway. The past three weeks have included proper points of direction in the story. The plots contain either an arrival or departure and focus more on characters. The new producer is excellent at stories and once we come to an end of the current producers plans his work will begin to take the ratings by a hold. Lorraine Newman episodes have been adequate of late. I like that she brought some good things back to the show at the last lap. I do think they need to hold on to her idea of sometimes happy endings on the show and making it warmer to the audience.
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It's becoming hard to compare BBC and ITV ratings nowadays.
Long long ago the BBC and ITV would have a huge cross-over audience, BBC a good bit posher of course. But for most people BBC/ITV were offering similar programming. Now it's like comparing apples and oranges, BBC/ITV programmes increasingly attract very different people. Itv has become increasingly obssesed with increasing episodes of shows. "The X Factor" has a double episode. "Coronation Street" is not allowed to have a break if something replaces an evening when its on so the stick an hour of it somewhere else in the schedules to catch up. "Emmerdale" is on constantly. Itv was stronger when it had lots of different programmes and really high quality drama. I think that some of the 90's advertising shows just how much quality popular drama they had. They had series that really returned well. And they would mix it up with light entertainment. They have become over reliant on their soap operas and dumbed down their programming. |
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Yeah a strong itv makes the BBC work harder.
Itv has become increasingly obssesed with increasing episodes of shows. "The X Factor" has a double episode. "Coronation Street" is not allowed to have a break if something replaces an evening when its on so the stick an hour of it somewhere else in the schedules to catch up. "Emmerdale" is on constantly. The number of ITV Soap episodes have not changed for over 10 years, so strange usage of the word 'increasingly' EastEnders is never dropped, last week had 2 EXTRA episodes for no reason. Casualty & Holby City are never dropped, so for example at Christmas they will be thrown out on a different day, if the usual day is unavailable. Waterloo Road increased from 20 to 30 episodes a series. Strictly has started a week earlier than usual so has been extended The One Show is often extended to an hour The list goes on. |
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I'd have thought Bake Off would be pinched by BBC One for future series.
I'm one of those that would never have discovered Bad Education if the iplayer hadn't put up episodes in advance - it's very good and wouldn't worry about the ratings drop, people will watch in their own time. SPOTY date confirmed (no suspense this year, Andy Murray's a certainty)... Facebook - BBC Sport Sue Barker has decided to step down as a presenter of BBC Sports Personality of the Year after 19 years in the role. But the broadcaster will be on the judging panel for this year's awards - the 60th anniversary of an event which celebrates success for the UK's sportsmen and women. The show will be broadcast live from the First Direct Arena in Leeds on Sunday, 15 December, when Gary Lineker, Clare Balding and Gabby Logan will share the presenting duties. |
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Which is no different to what happens on BBC1.
The number of ITV Soap episodes have not changed for over 10 years, so strange usage of the word 'increasingly' EastEnders is never dropped, last week had 2 EXTRA episodes for no reason. Casualty & Holby City are never dropped, so for example at Christmas they will be thrown out on a different day, if the usual day is unavailable. Waterloo Road increased from 20 to 30 episodes a series. Strictly has started a week earlier than usual so has been extended The One Show is often extended to an hour The list goes on. |
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I'd have thought Bake Off would be pinched by BBC One for future series.
I'm one of those that would never have discovered Bad Education if the iplayer hadn't put up episodes in advance - it's very good and wouldn't worry about the ratings drop, people will watch in their own time. SPOTY date confirmed (no suspense this year, Andy Murray's a certainty)... Facebook - BBC Sport Sue Barker has decided to step down as a presenter of BBC Sports Personality of the Year after 19 years in the role. But the broadcaster will be on the judging panel for this year's awards - the 60th anniversary of an event which celebrates success for the UK's sportsmen and women. The show will be broadcast live from the First Direct Arena in Leeds on Sunday, 15 December, when Gary Lineker, Clare Balding and Gabby Logan will share the presenting duties. |
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Which is no different to what happens on BBC1.
The number of ITV Soap episodes have not changed for over 10 years, so strange usage of the word 'increasingly' EastEnders is never dropped, last week had 2 EXTRA episodes for no reason. Casualty & Holby City are never dropped, so for example at Christmas they will be thrown out on a different day, if the usual day is unavailable. Waterloo Road increased from 20 to 30 episodes a series. Strictly has started a week earlier than usual so has been extended The One Show is often extended to an hour The list goes on. The One Show hasn't been an hour for quite a while now. The constant re-commissioning of Waterloo Road is one of the great mysteries of British television, I can only assume it is to bump up the figures for BBC Scotland's contributions to the network. |
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To go back to itv though they were never so reliant on one light entertainment formula. Simon Cowell and Ant and Dec shows run throughout the year. He has a monopoly over the channel just now. BBC One commits to different types of shows throughout the whole year in a way which itv seems to have abandoned.
ITV commit to different types of show throught the year, light entertainment, factual, soap, drama, reality, live sport, news. |
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Im not so sure about a hit for "When Miranda Met Bruce" its very marmite television and I dont think Bruce Forsyth is popular enough now for a big audience.
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Can you imagine Bad Education on BBC1? I can't, it would look so out of place. Big School is more BBC1's level.
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Casualty & Holby City are never dropped, so for example at Christmas they will be thrown out on a different day, if the usual day is unavailable. Waterloo Road increased from 20 to 30 episodes a series.
Strictly has started a week earlier than usual so has been extended. And as mentioned, Casualty is frequently dropped, the Christmas before last it was off for an entire month. Don't recall The Bill getting much time off when that was a going concern. |
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"EastEnders" is now on the road to recovery anyway. The past three weeks have included proper points of direction in the story. The plots contain either an arrival or departure and focus more on characters. The new producer is excellent at stories and once we come to an end of the current producers plans his work will begin to take the ratings by a hold. Lorraine Newman episodes have been adequate of late. I like that she brought some good things back to the show at the last lap. I do think they need to hold on to her idea of sometimes happy endings on the show and making it warmer to the audience.
The Murder plot and the thing with the Kidney Transplant will be long running plots, As the storylines surrounding Carol and David. The Max,Phil,Carl plot is also a long running story that takes an even more sinister turn in a few weeks. I think EastEnders is heading the right way...slowly but surely
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To go back to itv though they were never so reliant on one light entertainment formula. Simon Cowell and Ant and Dec shows run throughout the year. He has a monopoly over the channel just now. BBC One commits to different types of shows throughout the whole year in a way which itv seems to have abandoned.
Oh and let's be very real about this - if BBC had an Ant & Dec (which they absolutely don't, and neither does ITV have anyone else close to their popularity presenting wise) you can be damn sure they'd be wheeled out across 3 or 4 shows a year. As would make sense! Everything you've pointed out is nothing more than common sense for a channel to work. As for being more diverse as a whole, yes BBC1 tends to be, but not by some huge margin - it's only because they can have some decent documentaries (different to ITV's "factual" like Long Lost Family, I'm thinking the wildlife shows) and investment in more comedy. But otherwise not really - they both try all sorts with varying results. ITV is probably that bit more cautious because failure will affect them more. |
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Brilliant rating for Emmerdale, almost touching 38% share too
Interesting to see where this goes - the storyline appears to climax this week but we all know October is going to be bigger and centered on the same story, so it should stay solid for the next month |
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Last night Jean got what a lot of viewers wanted 'A Happy ending' the character deserved it and after 8 years I felt it was the right ending. Well written and acted.
The Murder plot and the thing with the Kidney Transplant will be long running plots, As the storylines surrounding Carol and David. The Max,Phil,Carl plot is also a long running story that takes an even more sinister turn in a few weeks. I think EastEnders is heading the right way...slowly but surely ![]() |
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Head to head with The X Factor Final then. Could be interesting. I remember last time they clashed various people within BBC Sport threw their toys out of the pram about it.
It got 4.7m that night as opposed to XF's 15.6m. Won't the result be deemed a bit predictable this year, however (Andy Murray)? It doesn't have the benefit of following on from the Olympics so it'll probably not rate anywhere near as high as it did last year. Of course, it's a bit early to know how it's going to rate. X Factor may well be scheduled 8pm-10pm as opposed to 7:30pm-9:30pm the last time they clashed. |
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It was only about an hour long clash last time though, wasn't it?
It got 4.7m that night as opposed to XF's 15.6m. Won't the result be deemed a bit predictable this year, however (Andy Murray)? It doesn't have the benefit of following on from the Olympics so it'll probably not rate anywhere near as high as it did last year. Of course, it's a bit early to know how it's going to rate. X Factor may well be scheduled 8pm-10pm as opposed to 7:30pm-9:30pm the last time they clashed. |
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There was a big clash last time. XF ran 7.30-9.30 and SPOTY ran 7-9.05. Obviously SPOTY won't do as well as last year but I suspect it'll put up more of a fight than it did in 2009. It'll be interesting to see what slot it gets. Normally it goes 7-9pm (and overruns a bit) but last year it was 7.30-10.30. I'm sure it'll be back down to 2 hours this time but I wonder if they'll go 7-9, 7.30-9.30 or 8-10, especially as they'll have the Strictly results before it. That could determine where XF goes.
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New Tricks was against the football. This is why it should be on Mondays in the Autumn.
Also it's right there should be a good alternative to a football match for the millions who have no interest in it. |
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Hadn't Channel 5 been showing promos for a new show about "hen's behaving badly" or something for 10pm Friday?
Was that supposed to start this Friday after Super Spa? But now a film is on at 9, it's been dropped..? EDIT: Seems it's been delayed till 4th October, with Fridays being: 8:00pm New: Monster Moves 9:00pm New: Hens Behaving Badly 10:00pm New: Celebrity Wedding Planner |
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The Cowell monopoly is a myth. He is responsible for two landmark shows in BGT & XF. Like BBC One have two landmark shows in SCD & The Voice. The vast majority of ITV light entertainment is not Cowell influenced.
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Hasnt the X Factor Sunday results always aired at 8.00pm? Can
Two occasions where its been extended by 15 minutes (starting at 19:45), and one occasion where its run from 19:30-20:30. Since they've had the two night final, its usually been from 19:30-21:30. It was pushed a bit later than that last year. Seeing the breakdown for the 2009 final, it would have averaged 16.1m (54%) had it run from 20:00-21:30, as opposed to 15.6m (53%) for the two hour slot. Probably would have averaged higher had it run from 8-10pm (like it did on the Saturday final last year). I can't expect SPOTY to knock off too many viewers off XF but its too early to call. What's the earliest the Strictly results show can go? |
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Meanwhile over in the US
After the highs of Sleepy Hollow's debut on Monday night Fox is beginning the bumpy descent back to earth. Their second attempt at a two-hour Tuesday comedy block has not gotten off to the greatest start. And tonight week two of X Factor US begins. Dads 2.1 [5.57 million] Brooklyn Nine-Nine 2.5 [6 million] New Girl 2.9 [5.56 million] The Mindy Project 1.9 [3.95 million] Brooklyn Nine-Nine got a decent enough sampling I suppose and New Girl isn't a complete disaster although its failure to break a 3 given the general lack of competition has to be a little concerning. I cannot for the life of me understand why they renewed Mindy (that's not entirely true) and critics will be happy that Dads hasn't gotten off to a great start but not completely happy since it isn't completely DOA. None the less its probably in the best interest of Fox to switch Mindy and Brooklyn Nine-Nine as soon as possible. Get Brooklyn away from the on coming storm that is SHIELD and NCIS and hope you can salvage a decent hour from this comedy block. Also America's Got Talent (2.4) continues to limp toward the end of its season and Iron Man 2 (1.2) didn't exactly set the world alight on ABC. Although its a terrible film so that's hardly a big surprise. |
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