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The Alexandra Burke Appreciation Thread (Part 14)
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beastieletsgo
09-07-2014
Im gonna drag dan wooton and hackford jones idc!
Master Ozzy
09-07-2014
Originally Posted by JustArun:
“I really have nothing to say other than the fact that I'm really disappointed in Alexandra. A lot of it's down to Alex unfortunately and people can't keep making excuses for all these delays that she's put us through.”

Why is it down to Alex? People want her to be a huge success and launch in the U.S, but what is she expcted to do if she doesn't have the backing and people who want that for her? She's won the XF, sang with Beyonce, big debut album, hige voice, sang with Dionne Warwick amongst other big performances. Like I've said previosuly, she should have people begging to sign her, but she hasn't. That should tell you something. People aren't interested and are not willing to invest.
Zack06
09-07-2014
Originally Posted by beastieletsgo:
“Im gonna drag dan wooton and hackford jones idc!”

I wouldn't bother. You'll just make it worse. They've made up their mind about Alex unfortunately and we don't know the whole story.
stargirl1
09-07-2014
It's a shame Dan Wootton has turned on her. He was always one of her biggest supporters.
ukaszenkooo
09-07-2014
I agree with you Master Ozzy, Alex is just not what labes are looking for these days.. She's got a great voice, great performances behind her, but she won't be a huge star like Gaga, Perry, Bey... And that doesn't mean that Im not hoping for it, and it doesn't mean that it's all her fault.. I think that she tried her best.. And she still is.. The Hollywood plan is a good plan if her music won't get her anywhere.. But I think that the music is the most important here, and I hope to get a great US album after all... Let's just hope that she'll find a good label that can get her a good promo
(My english.. I hope you understood me lol)
perobt93
09-07-2014
Ouch this hurts...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...?utm_hp_ref=uk
ukaszenkooo
09-07-2014
Lies, lies, lies....
Dave0893
09-07-2014
I feel really bad for Alex, its like she can't catch a break, people move management, labels, PR's without any hiccups or throwback, but everything seems to go against her.

I wonder why she decided to leave her PR company and what caused the hostility, as surely it can't be as simple as her choosing to leave, as that is truly pathetic if that is the case.
Master Ozzy
09-07-2014
Originally Posted by perobt93:
“Ouch this hurts...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...?utm_hp_ref=uk”

Can't believe how much of that article is lies. Not only was it always planned to close at the end of August, but the ticket sales haven't fallen...it's been the most popular show in the West End for the last six months. Shows come and go all the time in the West End. It's not a case of a show staying on and on for as long as it's doing well. Miss Saigon for example was one of the most popular ever, but that stopped and is now back. Grease is coming back soon, same with Cats.
Stube
09-07-2014
Alex needs to just go over to America after the West End run. Even if she lies low for a good few months. She needs to focus on her music career (unless she's honestly given up on it altogether which would be sad) first and foremost. She definitely CAN get signed in America - whether it's to a major label (Warner Music? EMI?), a small imprint of a major label or a good independent label.

I wouldn't even mind if she had Solange level success (online hype and recognition, not really that successful commercially but critically successful) if she actually brought the goods. But sadly, as I've said before, I'm actually doubting whether Alex has any idea of what kind of artist she is. Maybe that is why she can't secure a record deal.

I'm curious to know what actually happened with this label she must've had some support from last year. Creative differences? To be honest, if that's the case, I'd be annoyed. Alex isn't really in the position to dictate. But then maybe that's been the problem all along and maybe that's how she's ended up here. We all know that there's heavy speculation that Simon couldn't handle her - she always boasted that she rebelled against Simon, then there was the joint deal between Syco and RCA and Alex being allowed executive producer (on her second album!!). Then the mutual decision to move completely to RCA. Now the suspected issues with a label. I think ultimately Alex got too comfortable with her position in the industry.
Rob200696
09-07-2014
I have emailed the Sun and Bizzare column complaints about the lies and how unprofessional it is....
Shoed
09-07-2014
Alex should have spilt the tea regarding hackford, he's in the wrong so she should make the right situation right for herself.
Dave0893
09-07-2014
Originally Posted by Rob200696:
“I have emailed the Sun and Bizzare column complaints about the lies and how unprofessional it is....”

Won't make the slightest difference.
ukaszenkooo
10-07-2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7tGjynBN9E <- Interview!

I can hear that her voice is tired already.. Can you too? Or is it just me? LOL.
And that is a nice video, but this Hollywood sounded pretty weird... It's like She's throwing words at wind... First music, then life coach, now actress... I get that she wants to have backup plan, but hey... Im confused now... Maybe Hollowood was a hint that she's going to US... Let's hope that she's going there for music.
FanFromHolland
10-07-2014
I am so confused right now
What is all this Hollywood, label, falling sales and PR hate talking about?
Stube
10-07-2014
So in the end it wasn't her PR firm taking revenge? She actually said all of this stuff.

I'd rather Alex released some actual music first - even if it is a for-profit EP - with decent songs on. It's now been over two years since her last album and that campaign ended abruptly. She's realistically not going to be putting out music until next year - and that's if she starts planning straight after the BG.

2009 - Overcome
2012 - Heartbreak On Hold
2015 - TBA

There's already too big a gap between each release.

She definitely seems to have given up on music for the time-being though. She's gone from nearly about to launch her new album, to delaying it until after TBG, to now solely focusing on acting?? It's a shame because I just listened to 'No More You' and that's a really fantastic ballad judging by the snippet. Oh well, if she goes into acting I think I'm out. I became a fan of Alex because of her and her voice. If she's acting, we'll just be seeing her characters. Not really here for that to be honest.
Zack06
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Stube:
“So in the end it wasn't her PR firm taking revenge? She actually said all of this stuff. ”

No. Why would she say that ticket sales of The Bodyguard are falling when she's the headline star?

It was a revenge story, that has already been established.
twells
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“She's NOT listening though. I don't know what we can do now tbh. How many interviews have we seen where she's been asked the question "when are you going to America"...?

We've even got interviewers to ask the question to her face, and we mention it in literally every #AskAlex she's ever done.

She wants to make it work in the UK for whatever reason, but it's over. Radio and media are 100% against her it's not even a joke anymore. Everything she does in this country will be spun badly now, that Hackford Jones and Dan Wootton are going to turn everyone in the industry against her.

This is her last chance. She needs to finish The Bodyguard, run to the airport and get on the first plane to the US before it's too late.

I don't even know how else to get this message across other than confronting her in real life and telling her. And even then I don't think she'd listen. ”

I don't know why you all think making it in the US will be so much easier for Alex than the UK. The history of successful UK stars flopping in America is long. You don't go there, because you can't get work in the UK.

The place for Alex to restart her career is Europe, where big voices are appreciated, and start touring.
Zack06
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by twells:
“I don't know why you all think making it in the US will be so much easier for Alex than the UK. The history of successful UK stars flopping in America is long. You don't go there, because you can't get work in the UK.

The place for Alex to restart her career is Europe, where big voices are appreciated, and start touring.”

It won't be any harder than it has been for her in the UK. Europe isn't really a gateway to any long term success. The markets are very insulated and the only way for artists to properly promote there is through extensive promo tours and good airplay. It's harder than both the UK and US to succeed in.

It's common knowledge that succeeding in the US is a gateway to international success, or at the very least she can become a domestic act in the US and still have a relatively high profile.

Also I think Alex fits into the US market much more than Europe, there isn't any language barrier and she has several aspects of her career which would play out to her advantage.

I don't get the attitude that because she's not doing well in the UK doesn't means she can't succeed in the US. Estelle and Jay Sean did very well despite their careers in the UK having tanked beforehand. Alex just needs her moment in the US.
FanFromHolland
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by twells:
“I don't know why you all think making it in the US will be so much easier for Alex than the UK. The history of successful UK stars flopping in America is long. You don't go there, because you can't get work in the UK.

The place for Alex to restart her career is Europe, where big voices are appreciated, and start touring.”

The only way to crack Europe is by being an indie artist like Gotye, Milky Chance or Passenger (and even then you're most likely a one-hit wonder) or get a massive hit in the UK or the US, preferably both
Stube
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by twells:
“I don't know why you all think making it in the US will be so much easier for Alex than the UK. The history of successful UK stars flopping in America is long. You don't go there, because you can't get work in the UK.

The place for Alex to restart her career is Europe, where big voices are appreciated, and start touring.”

History doesn't dictate the future though. So many British artists are succeeding in America post-Adele and due to the internet. It's not like how it used to be. Look at the Billboard Hot 100 for example, a lot of the artists are either British or Australian.

Zack said it perfectly, look at Jay Sean and Estelle. Flopped majorly in the UK, found people who believed in them in the US and found success. Obviously it's not as easy as I've just made it sound, but it's ridiculous for someone with the "reputation" of Alex to bother with the UK.

The UK is hugely unforgiving. She could record and release her own 'We Found Love' and Radio 1 and Capital probably wouldn't touch it. Everyone knows US success more or less guarantees some sort of interest from the UK music industry - far more than Alex has at the moment.

Alex has the personality, the image and the talent for the US. She doesn't fit the UK market at all. In the US, there are so many opportunities. She could devote herself heavily to the R&B/Hip-Hop market - okay maybe she wouldn't be smashing the BBH100 but she could gain a loyal following. I thought that's what she was leading up to last year. Sadly, she didn't realise her potential.
Boxfresh
10-07-2014
The Sun smearjob story doesn't appear to have had much effect judging by Twitter reactions over the last day. I'd have expected a bunch of gloating Alex haters claiming she's a flop, but it's mostly just being ignored, or Alex is being defended by people who've been to the show saying that The Sun is full of shit.

Tristian Gemmell (Alex's co-star in The Bodyguard) made a point of saying that there were a 1000+ happy punters at the show last night, with Alex smashing it as usual. He also tweeted it to the Sun.

i think Alex has impressed so many people in this show that The Sun article is having almost no effect. I haven't seen one person gloating about the article or defending it on Twitter. If a negative story like that had surfaced before The Bodyguard, the amount of hate Alex would have gotten on Twitter would have been scary.

Having said that, while I'm glad the smear campaign doesn't appear to be working, she still needs to go to America.
Zack06
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Stube:
“History doesn't dictate the future though. So many British artists are succeeding in America post-Adele and due to the internet. It's not like how it used to be. Look at the Billboard Hot 100 for example, a lot of the artists are either British or Australian.

Zack said it perfectly, look at Jay Sean and Estelle. Flopped majorly in the UK, found people who believed in them in the US and found success. Obviously it's not as easy as I've just made it sound, but it's ridiculous for someone with the "reputation" of Alex to bother with the UK.

The UK is hugely unforgiving. She could record and release her own 'We Found Love' and Radio 1 and Capital probably wouldn't touch it. Everyone knows US success more or less guarantees some sort of interest from the UK music industry - far more than Alex has at the moment.

Alex has the personality, the image and the talent for the US. She doesn't fit the UK market at all. In the US, there are so many opportunities. She could devote herself heavily to the R&B/Hip-Hop market - okay maybe she wouldn't be smashing the BBH100 but she could gain a loyal following. I thought that's what she was leading up to last year. Sadly, she didn't realise her potential.”

Well said. What she was doing in 2013 was definitely leading somewhere, but I think things hit a snag hence why she has gone for The Bodyguard. I suspect the label deal she had in the US fell through and KWL haven't gone through the process of finding a new one yet.

At least she has made the links, i.e. last year she was spotted filming with a Hot97 DJ (one of NY's biggest stations) and met with Oprah, and also Kendrick Lamar and others at SummerJam, so they know her face and that's a good start.

She also attended US media events last year including a red carpet movie premiere for Ride Along, HennessyxNas which Beyoncé and Jay-Z also attended, and of course she made her performance debut in the US at the Apollo NY alongside Chaka Khan, Mary J Blige etc. and Sarah Jessica Parker was also in attendance. All these little things help as it gets her name known a bit more, so that when she comes to launch, her name and face will ring bells, which is exactly what she needs.

She also did record her US debut album last year. Whether it will be released is a different story, but it would be a huge shame given it had productions from Rico Love (All Night Long + Beyoncé, Fergie, Diddy), Vinylz (Jay-Z), Allen Ritter (Drake), Jerry Wonda (Whitney, Miguel, Shakira), Dre & Vidal (Mariah, Usher, Ciara) and also some of the material from the scrapped 2nd album, so it sounds like a great album should it see the light of day.
Dave0893
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by ukaszenkooo:
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7tGjynBN9E <- Interview!

I can hear that her voice is tired already.. Can you too? Or is it just me? LOL.
And that is a nice video, but this Hollywood sounded pretty weird... It's like She's throwing words at wind... First music, then life coach, now actress... I get that she wants to have backup plan, but hey... Im confused now... Maybe Hollowood was a hint that she's going to US... Let's hope that she's going there for music.”

I really like that interview, I think she comes across great in it.
Stube
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Well said. What she was doing in 2013 was definitely leading somewhere, but I think things hit a snag hence why she has gone for The Bodyguard. I suspect the label deal she had in the US fell through and KWL haven't gone through the process of finding a new one yet.

At least she has made the links, i.e. last year she was spotted filming with a Hot97 DJ (one of NY's biggest stations) and met with Oprah, and also Kendrick Lamar and others at SummerJam, so they know her face and that's a good start.

She also attended US media events last year including a red carpet movie premiere for Ride Along, HennessyxNas which Beyoncé and Jay-Z also attended, and of course she made her performance debut in the US at the Apollo NY alongside Chaka Khan, Mary J Blige etc. and Sarah Jessica Parker was also in attendance. All these little things help as it gets her name known a bit more, so that when she comes to launch, her name and face will ring bells, which is exactly what she needs.

She also did record her US debut album last year. Whether it will be released is a different story, but it would be a huge shame given it had productions from Rico Love (All Night Long + Beyoncé, Fergie, Diddy), Vinylz (Jay-Z), Allen Ritter (Drake), Jerry Wonda (Whitney, Miguel, Shakira), Dre & Vidal (Mariah, Usher, Ciara) and also some of the material from the scrapped 2nd album, so it sounds like a great album should it see the light of day.”

Now that you remind me of all of Alex's hard work over the last year with her music, I really hope she follows through with the album. I can understand everyone's frustrations.

What we really need to know is if Gary Stabana is her overall manager or whether She's still with KWL. She surely wouldn't leave KWL and I'd be shocked if they dumped her.
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