Does she still refer to herself as "The Beast"? So cringy 
The Alexandra Burke Appreciation Thread (Part 14)
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Am I the only one who's actually happy for The Beast to be back? I don't really find this name cringy. Beasties - that sounds just normal. I don't really like #TeamAB it's so oridinary 
Originally Posted by pjh8:
“Well all winner's albums are usually rushed so they can be ready in time to promote on the following series of X Factor.”
“Well all winner's albums are usually rushed so they can be ready in time to promote on the following series of X Factor.”
8 months isn't really that rushed tbf.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“8 months isn't really that rushed tbf.”
“8 months isn't really that rushed tbf.”
She started recording it in March and finished in August. That's about 5/6 months recording so not rushed at all.
Not to mention that she had the A&R deal with Roc Nation and money from Epic US pouring in.
I don't think it's right to start slating Overcome now because she did put a lot of effort into that release.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“She started recording it in March and finished in August. That's about 5/6 months recording so not rushed at all.
Not to mention that she had the A&R deal with Roc Nation and money from Epic US pouring in.
I don't think it's right to start slating Overcome now because she did put a lot of effort into that release.”
“She started recording it in March and finished in August. That's about 5/6 months recording so not rushed at all.
Not to mention that she had the A&R deal with Roc Nation and money from Epic US pouring in.
I don't think it's right to start slating Overcome now because she did put a lot of effort into that release.”
I didn't slate Overcome at all?I loved it. I included the rushed bit as it shows the little album activity she's had as one of the two were guaranteed to be made in 1 year like all winner's albums.
I don't think Overcome was the right début album for Alex but it definitely wasn't rushed.
I don't like the fact the album wasn't cohesive. It just sounded like a mix of lots of different styles, tempos and genres. You had the electro-pop ('Bad Boys, 'Dumb'), the mid-tempo R&B (GNGM), the heavily produced ballads (TS, 'Overcome'), the stripped ballad (TDN), the Pop/R&B crossover (ANL)... don't get me wrong, as far as XF alumni albums go it's among the best but in the grand scheme of things I just think her team threw every kind of style at it in order to make every fan have at least one song they'd like and maybe because they lacked any kind of direction. If I was her A&R man back then, I'd have her make an album like Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad - a cool, edgy Pop/R&B album that is filled with potential singles and no cheesy lyrics/melodies.
I know many on here believe Alex's career started dying around the HOH era (technically that is correct) but for me it died the minute she won. I remember back in 2008, Simon said he's only going to sign the winner because otherwise there is no point in winning (he clearly later went back on this for the other series). If Alex hadn't won, I'm sure she'd have been snapped up by Epic (since JLS would've won instead). Syco literally didn't know what to do with Alex even though she should've been one of the easiest artists to market. She was marketed as a black Lady GaGa to begin with (RedOne, ANL video) since GaGa was the biggest pop star at the time. WRONG DECISION. She should've been marketed as the British Beyonce/Rihanna. Even a 10 year old could've figured that out.
I don't like the fact the album wasn't cohesive. It just sounded like a mix of lots of different styles, tempos and genres. You had the electro-pop ('Bad Boys, 'Dumb'), the mid-tempo R&B (GNGM), the heavily produced ballads (TS, 'Overcome'), the stripped ballad (TDN), the Pop/R&B crossover (ANL)... don't get me wrong, as far as XF alumni albums go it's among the best but in the grand scheme of things I just think her team threw every kind of style at it in order to make every fan have at least one song they'd like and maybe because they lacked any kind of direction. If I was her A&R man back then, I'd have her make an album like Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad - a cool, edgy Pop/R&B album that is filled with potential singles and no cheesy lyrics/melodies.
I know many on here believe Alex's career started dying around the HOH era (technically that is correct) but for me it died the minute she won. I remember back in 2008, Simon said he's only going to sign the winner because otherwise there is no point in winning (he clearly later went back on this for the other series). If Alex hadn't won, I'm sure she'd have been snapped up by Epic (since JLS would've won instead). Syco literally didn't know what to do with Alex even though she should've been one of the easiest artists to market. She was marketed as a black Lady GaGa to begin with (RedOne, ANL video) since GaGa was the biggest pop star at the time. WRONG DECISION. She should've been marketed as the British Beyonce/Rihanna. Even a 10 year old could've figured that out.
Originally Posted by Stube:
“If I was her A&R man back then, I'd have her make an album like Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad - a cool, edgy Pop/R&B album that is filled with potential singles and no cheesy lyrics/melodies.
I know many on here believe Alex's career started dying around the HOH era (technically that is correct) but for me it died the minute she won. I remember back in 2008, Simon said he's only going to sign the winner because otherwise there is no point in winning (he clearly later went back on this for the other series). If Alex hadn't won, I'm sure she'd have been snapped up by Epic (since JLS would've won instead). Syco literally didn't know what to do with Alex even though she should've been one of the easiest artists to market.”
“If I was her A&R man back then, I'd have her make an album like Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad - a cool, edgy Pop/R&B album that is filled with potential singles and no cheesy lyrics/melodies.
I know many on here believe Alex's career started dying around the HOH era (technically that is correct) but for me it died the minute she won. I remember back in 2008, Simon said he's only going to sign the winner because otherwise there is no point in winning (he clearly later went back on this for the other series). If Alex hadn't won, I'm sure she'd have been snapped up by Epic (since JLS would've won instead). Syco literally didn't know what to do with Alex even though she should've been one of the easiest artists to market.”
Jay Brown was an A&R for both Good Girl Gone Bad and Overcome.
Beyoncé sent American scouts to watch Alex on the X Factor Tour and she was subsequently "snapped up" by the US division of Epic.
I think Syco did get it right with Overcome. Rita Ora's debut pretty much tried to replicate Alex's formula with Overcome and she was relatively successful with it. The cracks showed after they botched her Australian debut and sent All Night Long to US radio then pulled it off a week later.
Then Alex was lumped with a deluxe edition of Overcome to release in the UK when really, she should have been promoting in the US by that time and wrapping up her second album.
The second album she recorded with Syco sounded like a real evolution for Alex, but it was shelved once she transferred to RCA and will never see the light of day.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Jay Brown was an A&R for both Good Girl Gone Bad and Overcome.
Beyoncé sent American scouts to watch Alex on the X Factor Tour and she was subsequently "snapped up" by the US division of Epic.
I think Syco did get it right with Overcome. Rita Ora's debut pretty much tried to replicate Alex's formula with Overcome and she was relatively successful with it. The cracks showed after they botched her Australian debut and sent All Night Long to US radio then pulled it off a week later.
Then Alex was lumped with a deluxe edition of Overcome to release in the UK when really, she should have been promoting in the US by that time and wrapping up her second album.
The second album she recorded with Syco sounded like a real evolution for Alex, but it was shelved once she transferred to RCA and will never see the light of day.”
“Jay Brown was an A&R for both Good Girl Gone Bad and Overcome.
Beyoncé sent American scouts to watch Alex on the X Factor Tour and she was subsequently "snapped up" by the US division of Epic.
I think Syco did get it right with Overcome. Rita Ora's debut pretty much tried to replicate Alex's formula with Overcome and she was relatively successful with it. The cracks showed after they botched her Australian debut and sent All Night Long to US radio then pulled it off a week later.
Then Alex was lumped with a deluxe edition of Overcome to release in the UK when really, she should have been promoting in the US by that time and wrapping up her second album.
The second album she recorded with Syco sounded like a real evolution for Alex, but it was shelved once she transferred to RCA and will never see the light of day.”
If that's the case, I don't know why he didn't find a similar sound for Alex. The Overcome album was very similar to the Sugababes one (which also had RedOne productions and was overseen by Roc Nation) and I think it didn't do Alex's talent and potential any justice.
I know she was signed to Epic in the US but that didn't really mean much since she never released anything over there. I meant if she was signed to Epic worldwide, I think she could've had a different album. Syco are renowned for not having a clue on what direction to take their artists in - Cher Lloyd's second album was very try-hard and cringeworthy for starters.
At the end of the day, the failure of Alex's career really highlights the inefficiency of Syco. How they managed to mess up an artist's launch - an artist who had the potential to become MASSIVE - is beyond me. I know everyone on here loves Overcome - and I'm not knocking it as an album in its own right because it is a really good pop album - but it really shouldn't have been the sort of music Alex was releasing. You watch her whole journey on X Factor then listen to her album - it's clear Syco were just chasing the GaGa-inspired electro-pop sound of 2009. Alex's album should've been far more R&B.
Originally Posted by Stube:
“If that's the case, I don't know why he didn't find a similar sound for Alex. The Overcome album was very similar to the Sugababes one (which also had RedOne productions and was overseen by Roc Nation) and I think it didn't do Alex's talent and potential any justice.
I know she was signed to Epic in the US but that didn't really mean much since she never released anything over there. I meant if she was signed to Epic worldwide, I think she could've had a different album. Syco are renowned for not having a clue on what direction to take their artists in - Cher Lloyd's second album was very try-hard and cringeworthy for starters.
At the end of the day, the failure of Alex's career really highlights the inefficiency of Syco. How they managed to mess up an artist's launch - an artist who had the potential to become MASSIVE - is beyond me. I know everyone on here loves Overcome - and I'm not knocking it as an album in its own right because it is a really good pop album - but it really shouldn't have been the sort of music Alex was releasing. You watch her whole journey on X Factor then listen to her album - it's clear Syco were just chasing the GaGa-inspired electro-pop sound of 2009. Alex's album should've been far more R&B.”
“If that's the case, I don't know why he didn't find a similar sound for Alex. The Overcome album was very similar to the Sugababes one (which also had RedOne productions and was overseen by Roc Nation) and I think it didn't do Alex's talent and potential any justice.
I know she was signed to Epic in the US but that didn't really mean much since she never released anything over there. I meant if she was signed to Epic worldwide, I think she could've had a different album. Syco are renowned for not having a clue on what direction to take their artists in - Cher Lloyd's second album was very try-hard and cringeworthy for starters.
At the end of the day, the failure of Alex's career really highlights the inefficiency of Syco. How they managed to mess up an artist's launch - an artist who had the potential to become MASSIVE - is beyond me. I know everyone on here loves Overcome - and I'm not knocking it as an album in its own right because it is a really good pop album - but it really shouldn't have been the sort of music Alex was releasing. You watch her whole journey on X Factor then listen to her album - it's clear Syco were just chasing the GaGa-inspired electro-pop sound of 2009. Alex's album should've been far more R&B.”
I actually liked the Red One tracks on Overcome. Apart from the singles, Dumb and What Happens on the Dancefloor were decent. The comparison to Sugababes' Sweet Seven album is interesting, as About a Girl was apparently originally offered to Alex. I honestly don't think a more R&B album would have been a better launch. Even the big R&B stars were dabbling with EDM at around the time Overcome was released. I just think the wrong singles were released. It should have been Bad Boys > All Night Long > The Silence.
I'm pretty happy that we didn't get this EP just yet. I mean.. She'll prob give it to us on the new year eve or something.. But I didn't want it to be another christmas gift ep... But still Im looking forward to it
And yes, Marry Christmas TeamAB
And yes, Marry Christmas TeamAB
Originally Posted by drakhen:
“I actually liked the Red One tracks on Overcome. Apart from the singles, Dumb and What Happens on the Dancefloor were decent. The comparison to Sugababes' Sweet Seven album is interesting, as About a Girl was apparently originally offered to Alex. I honestly don't think a more R&B album would have been a better launch. Even the big R&B stars were dabbling with EDM at around the time Overcome was released. I just think the wrong singles were released. It should have been Bad Boys > All Night Long > The Silence.”
“I actually liked the Red One tracks on Overcome. Apart from the singles, Dumb and What Happens on the Dancefloor were decent. The comparison to Sugababes' Sweet Seven album is interesting, as About a Girl was apparently originally offered to Alex. I honestly don't think a more R&B album would have been a better launch. Even the big R&B stars were dabbling with EDM at around the time Overcome was released. I just think the wrong singles were released. It should have been Bad Boys > All Night Long > The Silence.”
I don't mean a straight up R&B album - I mean Pop/R&B - similar to I Am...Sasha Fierce and Good Girl Gone Bad. Alex was always more of a Beyonce/Rihanna type than the next Lady GaGa. I just think Overcome was incredibly cheesy and lacked the "cool factor". Simon had the right idea - knowing that Alex was a popstar - but unfortunately it wasn't 1999. She just deserved better in my opinion.
As for the singles, with what she had to work with, I'd say:
1. Bad Boys (only "debut single" type of song on the album so no other choice)
2. All Night Long (best song on the album)
3. Good Night Good Morning (the cool alternative)
4. The Silence (shows off her vocals)
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5. Perfect (performed on XF)
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Well, she's performing at GAY in London next Wednesday night for NYE. I might go along. It's going to be so embarassing if she's performing old stuff like Bad Boys though. I hope she does new stuff, but I can't see that happening.
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Well, she's performing at GAY in London next Wednesday night for NYE. I might go along. It's going to be so embarassing if she's performing old stuff like Bad Boys though. I hope she does new stuff, but I can't see that happening.”
“Well, she's performing at GAY in London next Wednesday night for NYE. I might go along. It's going to be so embarassing if she's performing old stuff like Bad Boys though. I hope she does new stuff, but I can't see that happening.”
Well they are advertising it as 2015 is Bad Boys so I wouldn't be surprised if she sing it. I just hope she will be there to promote her EP, that will be released the same night, or maybe the night after that.
I dunno
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Well, she's performing at GAY in London next Wednesday night for NYE. I might go along. It's going to be so embarassing if she's performing old stuff like Bad Boys though. I hope she does new stuff, but I can't see that happening.”
“Well, she's performing at GAY in London next Wednesday night for NYE. I might go along. It's going to be so embarassing if she's performing old stuff like Bad Boys though. I hope she does new stuff, but I can't see that happening.”
I really really hope she doesn't perform it, and it alone. I'd prefer Elephant and some new stuff tbh.
Alex is working with someone called mo samuels and he is part of BOE a company in which the executive producer of Arianas album help set up. Good news tbh.
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