I like Ferocious (despite not being able to spell it without difficulty) but I think perhaps an additional verse and a bit less repetition might have been worth thinking about.

However, it's a feel good, lively and fist pumping dance tune.

This is excellent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2rpV...ature=youtu.be

oooooo... split vocals... I'm impressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6voq...cVO1k0nuBRIevw

Just back from Ireland and I must say those concerts were great and the Sound Check package was worth every penny, hearing them talk passionately about making music and song writing was a privilege.

The two new songs show cased are just unbelievably good - I suspected they might be but wow!

Guys, if someone writes a bad review, please don't attack them. It was so uncool what Blaze tweeted.

Here's one of the comments from the review which is perhaps the most enlightening about the performance and the bullying the author has received.


NotACrayolla

This was my first Jedward experience. Probably my last. The author of this was right, it WAS amateur hour and at times the audience were more entertaining than the guys on stage. But I think Jedward are an acquired taste, and the next time I'm lost for something to do, I'll find a proper band to go see. In the meantime, I wish them well. There's certainly room for improvement.

I also think their little secret twitter account WorldOfBlaze calling the author a *** and asking for her sacking was well out of order.

c'mon guys, don't tweet abuse... and don't get other more-impressionable fans so upset that they tweet abuse for you... that's really, really, really not good.

Not their finest hour to be sure, especially when so many fans do things without thinking of the consequences. I don't know how long it was online before it was deleted.

It was deleted almost instantly, but of course someone managed to screen cap it so it got spread about. Anyway, like a lot of us they've now learned the hard way not to put anything in writing on the internet unless you're happy for everyone to see it.

http://t.co/s5RnJlxQWa Ferocious music vid , really like it that there are not only J&E in the music vid , for me it is a very good music vid

first Jedward experiance but she/he knows that W.o.B. is their account ?

Ireland is a tiny country. Ireland's music scene is tiny. It doesn't surprise me that a friend of the author's would know about the secret account and notify her what was said.

I would like to ask an honest questions re pr for the twins:

Do the handful of fans (prob 8 max, but 3-4 hardcore) genuinely believe in their hearts that by posting over-the-top reviews (blogs), commenting (often multiple times disguised as separate accounts) on each article written by non-fans, and calling out the dogs on anyone who happens to write, tweet anything negative about the twins, they are actually helping J&E in the long term?

It used to be that a google search would turn up quite a few articles about the twins... some good, some bad, complete with honest comments... again, some good, some bad. Now a search only turns up blogs from different 'publications' which all have exactly the same article, written by exactly the same author, commented on by exactly the same people.

Are these fans convinced that by filling a 'good' publicity void they are 'generating hype'? Do they hope that someone, somewhere will suddenly discover the twins and whisk them away to international stardom? Do they really think that the 'someone, somewhere', who would have to have enough business savvy to 'whisk', wouldn't be savvy-enough to see through the false reviews, the false accounts?

These days, whenever an interviewer mentions J&E's Crazy Fans, it's not in an ironic way... they really do mean CRAZY. And that's a pity, because it's really only a handful of fans, who have too much time on their hands, that make ALL of the fans look deranged.

The thing is, the twins are now forced to rely on these types of sham tactics re pr. They even encourage them through their fake dog account. So my question remains: is this really a good long-term strategy? In fact, is this even a good short-term strategy? Does it do more harm than good?

Ferocious did chart in the oficial irish charts at no.20 , this is better than Young Love (31)/ Luminous(59)/ Free Spirit (31) and even better than ATST (21), pity that they did only 1 signing (but probably it is not so easy to find music shops who want to have the Jeds&their fans in their shops)

Every star/celeb has crazy (meant in a non-good way) fans not only J&E. Fans who defend their stars over the top and who read every article about their fav.celebs/stars and who write their "own"opinion under every article, this is not only a Jed phenomen. What do you expect, that they ignore these article and do not write anything under an article? It would only show that people lose interest in J&E&do not care about them("now even Jedward lost their loyal fans nobody is defending them any longer") and these fans don´t lose their interest in J&E&care. And they have an other "own" opinion about that what they see&hear&feel than an blog/media writer, and most celebs have fans who have multiple accounts (e.g. J.Bieber), these fans write a good comment because they feel it diferent to the article writer and because they want to express their "own" opinion and not because they hope to change someones mind.
Damage: What would I (when I would be a neutral person and not a fan) feel/think about an Jedward concert when I would read such an negative article ? An article can also be written in a neutral way, or if it is writen negative it could be also be written there that it is the "own"opinion of the writer and that other people (who are not fans) could maybe feel different than the writer.

My honest opinion to the concerts: I saw at moment mostly only the Dublin videos, it was their first concert in october, and for me I know that their first concerts are never without flaws, but they improve with every concert and become better and better.
For me : I did not miss the dancers, J&E can fill a stage and do not need them, but I find it sorry that there were no background videos and if I understand it right also no vids between the jacket changes(it was always great for fans who made fan videos to see there that J&E appreciate their fan vids)(but maybe they hired nobody who helped them there behind the stage, Stuart does not work with them any longer) and for me I would have hoped that J&E did rehearse the songs better and to be honest that they would take some vocal lessons , some of the songs where very shaky at their first concert. And I would wish that they would have for more songs a dance choreography, but not every singer/group has any choreo , and the Jed concerts live from the energy which J&E can transfer to the audiance&fans, this would maybe not be the case if they would be to rehearsed.
Their crazy (sometimes foolish) interaction with their fans was always a part of the concerts which means a lot for the fans but for outsiders it must feel strange.
A Jedward concert is not for everybody to enjoy.

W.O.B. : okay the 1 tweet was very bad but it was deleted soon after it was written(strange that someone has W.O.B. tweets on text alert and has nothing better to do than to inform someone who had a first Jedward experiance about it(although this W.O.B. tweet was deleted soon after it was written)
For me they created and used W.O.B. for promo and for support because there is no Jedward Genius anylonger

And only for information: I am not 1 of these fans who write comments under article , my english is too bad for it

Sad but is seems that this DS thread is nearly dead, only 2-3 people write here since a very long time

I love J&E´s explanation of the Ferocious video http://t.co/VUmt1LHaWo http://t.co/s5RnJlxQWa
and for me it does not matter that they hired a crew to film the video, I love the video and probably it was J&E`s idea what they want to have in their music vid&how it should be filmed.

This is 1 of many parts which makes me still to a fan , that they are inspiring , they inspire me and many other people and for that they (&their concerts) do not need to be perfect

I wonder if the reason they've delayed the album release to next year is because they've entered one of the songs for Eurosong.

Most of them gave up quite a while ago because this thread was not 'positive' enough. They've moved on to fan promo.

Others have established a secret forum (invitation only) where they can speak openly about how they feel about things without being subjected to the fall-out from the fans who insist on purity/positivity.

I guess that's the advantage - and disadvantage - of the internet and there being so many different social media platforms and forums where people can chat both publicly and privately. I'm quite happy to talk where there's an active discussion and still pop onto this thread to add my two pennorth every now and then. Sometimes though I just don't know what to say.

As to fan PR I guess it depends whether we feel something is better than nothing? Although I agree that comments being left in a natural and organic way could look better than something more co-ordinated, which could be an accusation if it's the same names cropping up regularly. I don't know the answer to this either.

However, it is frustrating when something is stated, or implied, as fact when it's really only someone's opinion or assumption. None of us really know all the fact of everything, even though some might think they do.

Also, finding out that we're seen as a clique of bullies on here has somewhat dampened my enthusiasm for posting.

I have mixed feelings re Eurovision. While I understand that (if J&E did make it to Vienna) it would have been a huge platform for their song, this year just didn't feel right to me. I know very little about the competition, but the thought did cross my mind that if J&E weren't selected to represent Ireland, it would have been a devastating blow to their career. And the poison spider would have probably experienced quite a bit of Schadenfreude.

My gut had the same wobbly feeling it did when J&E announced they would do it again right after the Lipstick success. The timing just didn't seem right.

Re RTE 'not giving them advance notification' ... sounds like a lame excuse to me... everyone knows the competition takes place every year. If you're serious about it, then get your ducks in a row over the summer.

The people I really feel sorry for are the ones who've written a song but don't have a performer or vice versa... at least the twins don't have that problem.

I do hope this means the twins will release their album in time for the Christmas shopping season.

I doubt that the album will be out this year because they made also other music vids (e.g. staring Perez Hilton) for other own songs and because of that I think they will release some other songs (Silent Raindrops?...) before the album will be out maybe next year (this is only my opinion)

Perhaps they'll do an Ed Sheeran and release a load of singles first

Hey everyone, I'm still following the thread. My phone had logged me out of DS, and I kept forgetting to hunt out the password !!
I did pre-order the single from iTunes, but I'm not that keen on it, it's defo not as good as Free Spirit.
And it's kind of 'annoying' that the album keeps getting put back, that must be nearly 2 years, if its put off till next spring.

Personally, I can't see what people see in Ed Sheeran !!!! I find him totally boring.

Good point... perhaps they will release a single for the run-up to Christmas. It would be a great stocking-stuffer. I was impressed w/ Silent Raindrops.

Signings really are the key to good sales, though. So I wonder if J&E couldn't arrange some... perhaps linked w/ the Christmas Lights thingy? It really shouldn't be that difficult to get something organized.

Not sure about Silent Raindrops as a single tbh, but only because during a soundcheck package John talked about four videos having been made in LA. These were for Ferocious, Leave a Mark (Perez Hilton cameo) and Perfect Wonderland and Silent Raindrops wasn't mentioned at all. Of course, that doesn't mean it couldn't be a single but possibly not the next one.

There was a ballad that John seemed keen on, we also got a quick acapella preview, which he said was folksy (didn't sound it to be lol)

Thanks... I didn't realize that had been discussed at the sound checks.

It really doesn't matter to me which single they release, I was simply thinking in terms of Christmas sales helping them chart in an honest fashion... which is different than a wealthy fan buying up all of the available physical copies and offering to buy/gift downloads for Irish fans so it makes the top 10 in Ireland.