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Old 18-09-2013, 04:12
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ARGH I loved loved Ash during her first 6 months. She was so refreshing and fun during the freshers story and when she worked with Brendan then the whole Aly thing turned her into a mess.

The Ash who flashed at the ball and slept with Riley in a toilet would never ahve given Aly the time of day and the psychology student who almost sussed Brendan would NEVER EVER have been stupid enough to ignore Wills blatant guilt and to forget that she was stood 4 feet from Patrick when Texas died.

She has become a spineless robot and a plot device.
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Old 18-09-2013, 09:42
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Can't stand her. That's not a "love to hate" thing either... I actually cringe at her 'acting'.

Will and Ash together can successfully turn what could be a decent episode into a borefest... like the past few episodes with the death of Anna. I found myself drifting through them because of how ridiculous it was and their acting didn't help matters either.

Hoping that Ash leaves a vital clue somewhere just before Will murders her, then he can be locked up and never be spoken of again. The benefit of Will being a comic book "bad guy" is that his shelf life is dramatically reduced, which I look forward to happening sooner rather than later.
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Old 18-09-2013, 09:53
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I was looking forward to seeing her get killed off, so I was left feeling disappointed when she wasn't. I cannot stand her. She is always sticking her nose in business which doesn't concern her.
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Old 18-09-2013, 16:12
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It's ridiculous that she hasn't worked out that Will is the killer! She's meant to be clever?!
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Old 18-09-2013, 16:19
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I can see her leaving real soon, especially with the introduction of that girl (Sorry I don't know her name) that will be living with Tilly in the student house - as soon as I saw her she reminded me of Ash when she first joined.

Ash might meet her end with this Will S/L
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Old 18-09-2013, 16:45
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Ash is one of the strongest female characters Hollyoaks has at the moment along with Nancy, Maxine, Cindy and Lindsey so why get rid of her?

If anything they need to get her away from Will and move her in a different direction
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Old 18-09-2013, 16:47
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ARGH I loved loved Ash during her first 6 months. She was so refreshing and fun during the freshers story and when she worked with Brendan then the whole Aly thing turned her into a mess.

The Ash who flashed at the ball and slept with Riley in a toilet would never ahve given Aly the time of day and the psychology student who almost sussed Brendan would NEVER EVER have been stupid enough to ignore Wills blatant guilt and to forget that she was stood 4 feet from Patrick when Texas died.

She has become a spineless robot and a plot device.
What has that got to do anything? as far she's aware Anna was the one who murdered Texas and not Patrick but obviously still took pity on her while working in the hospital and so far she has no reason to believe otherwise
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Old 18-09-2013, 16:57
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Ash is NOT one of the strongest female characters at all. As far as I'm concerned the only reason she was saved from the axe is that she's part of a family unit. I would much rather have watched Annalise, Rob and Barney than Ash but sadly as they weren't part of a family unit on the show they were axed. It just sucks that out of the 2011 freshers we only have the worst 2 remaining.

Jade only had a 2 month guest contract, September to early November at the latest including Hollyoaks Later S6.
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Old 18-09-2013, 17:00
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Ash is one of the strongest female characters Hollyoaks has at the moment along with Nancy, Maxine, Cindy and Lindsey so why get rid of her?

If anything they need to get her away from Will and move her in a different direction
You think Maxine is a strong female character? Honestly? She's fairly likeable but strong is the last thing I'd call her. All her storylines so far have involved her being manipulated or threatened. Mitzeee was strong because she was very smart. Maxine, though... :sleep:

And I agree with the general consensus about Ash. It's not the fact that she's so lacking in common sense that annoys me, it's the fact that she's obviously MEANT to be a strong female character, and to a certain extent did use to be one, but has had a massive personality transplant in the past year or so and just comes across as thick these days. Plus she nearly always take the wrong side when it comes to believing people and is very judgemental.
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Old 18-09-2013, 17:09
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Ash is one of the strongest female characters Hollyoaks has at the moment along with Nancy, Maxine, Cindy and Lindsey so why get rid of her?

If anything they need to get her away from Will and move her in a different direction
Agreed. I really like her, she's got tragic taste in men and she's blinded by Will but that storyline is nearly over, presumably, so what's the problem? The thing is, people who have known Will for a long-time still think he's the same person he's always been so they couldn't contemplate it being him whose responsible for everything. The fact that any doubts are pushed aside is actually totally believable.

There isn't another female character like Ash in Hollyoaks, she's clever, she's open-minded and she's individual. I think these are all very positive things to have on screen. I don't want to see them go.

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Btw people who say she's not a good actress? Er, she's got more experience than many of the other cast members put together. Clearly professionals within the industry disagree with that.
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Old 18-09-2013, 17:14
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Experience and profession mean nothing if your acting makes viewers cringe. I really can't take any of her scenes seriously.

There are also people who think James Atherton is a good actor! Although most of those seem to be under 12 so perhaps not the best judges in these things...
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Old 18-09-2013, 17:19
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Experience and profession mean nothing if your acting makes viewers cringe. I really can't take any of her scenes seriously.

There are also people who think James Atherton is a good actor! Although most of those seem to be under 12 so perhaps not the best judges in these things...
There's nothing wrong with either of them. Unfortunately, I wonder if some people just can't seem to differentiate between disliking a character and disliking the actor.

I'm 28 so maybe my opinion counts for more than 12 year olds? I happen to think they're equip to judge but for some reason the young are constantly put down on DS forums.
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Old 18-09-2013, 17:33
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Agreed. I really like her, she's got tragic taste in men and she's blinded by Will but that storyline is nearly over, presumably, so what's the problem? The thing is, people who have known Will for a long-time still think he's the same person he's always been so they couldn't contemplate it being him whose responsible for everything. The fact that any doubts are pushed aside is actually totally believable.

There isn't another female character like Ash in Hollyoaks, she's clever, she's open-minded and she's individual. I think these are all very positive things to have on screen. I don't want to see them go.

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Btw people who say she's not a good actress? Er, she's got more experience than many of the other cast members put together. Clearly professionals within the industry disagree with that.
Clever and open minded so much so that she let Will pull the wool over her eyes when he was stalking women and visiting a serial killer, then again when Ally manipulated her for months and split her family up, then by Will again when she saw him using his legs. She's a mug.
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Old 18-09-2013, 17:49
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Clever and open minded so much so that she let Will pull the wool over her eyes when he was stalking women and visiting a serial killer, then again when Ally manipulated her for months and split her family up, then by Will again when she saw him using his legs. She's a mug.
Well, as I said in the first part of what I wrote, she's obviously easily blinded by her feelings for Will and also Ally. That doesn't make her any less intelligent. It's something that happens often in real-life actually, how many times do you read about someone who had no idea their partner was leading a double life? I don't think she needs to be given any blame for not figuring out what Will is up to. She's not doing anything wrong, if she was covering for him then she would be but as far she isn't.
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Old 18-09-2013, 17:59
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There's nothing wrong with either of them. Unfortunately, I wonder if some people just can't seem to differentiate between disliking a character and disliking the actor.
Unfortunately, I wonder if some people are able to accept opinions other than their own? Nothing like putting down other members to validate your own opinion.
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Old 18-09-2013, 18:11
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Unfortunately, I wonder if some people are able to accept opinions other than their own? Nothing like putting down other members to validate your own opinion.
I think you need to go and re-read. Was I the person who dismissed the opinions of all young people? Nope. What is it that you're doing? You're the one trying to put me down, mine was a genuine question. I really don't need anyone to validate my opinion but i'm allowed to disagree with a consensus, thanks.
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:36
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There's nothing wrong with either of them. Unfortunately, I wonder if some people just can't seem to differentiate between disliking a character and disliking the actor.

I'm 28 so maybe my opinion counts for more than 12 year olds? I happen to think they're equip to judge but for some reason the young are constantly put down on DS forums.
I agree with this. I think James is pulling a blinder as I fricking hate Will!

And Holly is a great actress and potraying the character she has been given really well.
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Old 19-09-2013, 17:57
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From her first episode she instantly became my favourite character, that was until the Ally storyline. I sort of feel now that the writers don't really know what to do with her and change her personality for when it suits them. She's really just a plot device now IMO, which is a shame because Holly Weston is a fab actress
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Old 19-09-2013, 18:27
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From her first episode she instantly became my favourite character, that was until the Ally storyline. I sort of feel now that the writers don't really know what to do with her and change her personality for when it suits them. She's really just a plot device now IMO, which is a shame because Holly Weston is a fab actress
Yeah exactly that. She's become a bit like India who literally is this spare person you can put into any plot because they'll just change her personality to go with it.

That group of freshers had the most potential since the 2006 in take and Emma and Bryan ruined it. They gelled so well and particularly Ash, Annalise and Barney could've been such strong characters in the long run.
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Old 21-09-2013, 03:15
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You think Maxine is a strong female character? Honestly? She's fairly likeable but strong is the last thing I'd call her. All her storylines so far have involved her being manipulated or threatened. Mitzeee was strong because she was very smart. Maxine, though... :sleep:

And I agree with the general consensus about Ash. It's not the fact that she's so lacking in common sense that annoys me, it's the fact that she's obviously MEANT to be a strong female character, and to a certain extent did use to be one, but has had a massive personality transplant in the past year or so and just comes across as thick these days. Plus she nearly always take the wrong side when it comes to believing people and is very judgemental.

Okay I certainly see your point about Maxine, maybe strong wasn't the best word to describe her in terms of personality but in terms of her of her potential and presence in the show I would still consider her strong in that sense, she is certainly one of the most well used females at the moment in the show and this storyline with Patrick will strengthen the character even more over time

and yes totally agree about Ash and the personality change, but then again that seems to be happening to quite a number of Hollyoaks characters recently which is a shame
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Old 21-09-2013, 03:19
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Experience and profession mean nothing if your acting makes viewers cringe. I really can't take any of her scenes seriously.

There are also people who think James Atherton is a good actor! Although most of those seem to be under 12 so perhaps not the best judges in these things...
I highly doubt there is much 12 year olds and younger familiar with Hollyoaks in general never mind the actor James Atherton, but yes he is a terrible actor
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Old 21-09-2013, 03:35
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She's soo gullible, Will could do a cartwheel and gangnam style in front if her, she"ll still believe him if he said he can only do a few movements.
She should be using her pyschology knowledge to good use, and noticing Will weird behaviour, stalking Texas etc.
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Old 21-09-2013, 08:29
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I hope a big brick happens to fall on her head.
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Old 22-09-2013, 13:10
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ARGH I loved loved Ash during her first 6 months. She was so refreshing and fun during the freshers story and when she worked with Brendan then the whole Aly thing turned her into a mess.

The Ash who flashed at the ball and slept with Riley in a toilet would never ahve given Aly the time of day and the psychology student who almost sussed Brendan would NEVER EVER have been stupid enough to ignore Wills blatant guilt and to forget that she was stood 4 feet from Patrick when Texas died.

She has become a spineless robot and a plot device.
So agree with you! Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Old 22-09-2013, 13:17
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I'm not sure if it's because she isn't a good actor, or because the lad playing Will isn't a good actor or both but I have never once actually believed that they are a couple in love.
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