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Old 18-09-2013, 23:08
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Frankie Cocozza is not a Louis Walsh fan that’s for sure, but things haven’t always been that way.
The 20 year old Brighton man featured on the 2011 series of The X Factor but was booted off mid series amidst claims of illegal drug taking and excess partying.
Frankie later claimed that bosses promised if he left quietly he would get a spot on the subsequent tour, but this never materialised.
Now Cocozza has hit out at show judge Louis Walsh and claimed that he always had it in for him and was out to get him from day one of the live shows.
The singer claims the Irish man refused to acknowledge him when the cameras were off, but he wasn’t afraid to keep slating him while they were rolling.


He said: “I didn’t like Louis Walsh. He’s a t***. He didn’t like me but I don’t know why. When we were in the corridor he’d just turn his back on me and on screen, he’d slag me off. I was a Louis fan before the show, so it was disappointing.

When asked what he would say if he crossed paths with the former Westlife boss again, he laughed:

“You’re a p****!”

Frankie does have more time and respect for his former mentor Gary Barlow and admitted that he was more down to earth than others on the show. They’ve lost touch now but he has no bones to pick with the Take That star and told Now magazine:

“He’s so cool but he knew the X Factor were playing on the, ‘Oh, we can’t control Frankie thing’. We spoke about it. He’s a nice geezer. We
kept in touch for a bit afterwards but then we lost touch.”

However even Gary couldn’t help Frankie out when it came to performing each week and in a previous interview with The Sun he insisted that the judges don’t have as much control as is implied. He explained:

“They wouldn’t let me choose my own songs. Gary Barlow didn’t choose my songs. He used to say, ‘Come on, mate, you can do this s***.’ If it had been up to him, he would have let me sing one of the songs I suggested.

“As far as I’m aware, the producers give them (the judges) a list of four songs to choose from.”

And of course the reason he is airing his views now is clear from the end of the article..


Frankie is getting back into music and he recently announced he’s in a new band, telling his Twitter followers:

“I’m in a band and we’re called @TheTelescreen .. We have finished writing our album after a long but beautiful year. Details Friday.”
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Old 19-09-2013, 00:46
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Anyone who thinks the judges have any real power are living in cloud cuckoo land. It does not surprise me at all that the production team pick the finalists songs rather the judges. The show is not much better than a scripted reality TV show. Each week the producers know who they want to be voted off and what story they want to say. Picking crap songs for some singers, bad VT and the judges critic which they are briefed on before is just an integral part of doing everything the producers can do to ensure each show runs to script. Sure Frankie is pissed off, he as been chewed up and spat out by X-Factor, a lot of what goes on is very unfair and I don't think most of the finalists realise that thy are competing on a very unlevel playing field. That said, the guy couldn't sing and he has probably earned more money ad shagged more girls off the back of X-Factor than his limited talent would have allowed him to do without the show. V
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Old 19-09-2013, 09:07
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Why would anybody want to know what this skanky nobody thinks about anything?

He can't sing and has no personality that I've noticed, so why are we still hearing about the grubby little creature
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Old 19-09-2013, 09:14
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Unfortunately the tabloids seem to like him, and think people are interested. Can't imagine why.
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Old 19-09-2013, 09:17
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We already know the finalists are chosen by the producers, the songs are chosen by the producers, the running order is carefully chosen by the producers to try and make sure certain acts are in the bottom 2, the judges comments are scripted by the producers, the judges are told who to save in the final showdown
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Old 19-09-2013, 09:23
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We already know the finalists are chosen by the producers, the songs are chosen by the producers, the running order is carefully chosen by the producers to try and make sure certain acts are in the bottom 2, the judges comments are scripted by the producers, the judges are told who to save in the final showdown
All very true i'm afraid, but we still watch it.
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Old 19-09-2013, 10:27
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Why would anybody want to know what this skanky nobody thinks about anything?

He can't sing and has no personality that I've noticed, so why are we still hearing about the grubby little creature
Exactly!! He is simply horrendous
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Old 19-09-2013, 10:29
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We already know the finalists are chosen by the producers, the songs are chosen by the producers, the running order is carefully chosen by the producers to try and make sure certain acts are in the bottom 2, the judges comments are scripted by the producers, the judges are told who to save in the final showdown
We don't "know" all of this. I think there's definitely a lot more producer influence than they want us to believe, but if Frankie says the judges are given 4 songs to pick from that sounds believable.

I imagine the judges are given guidance with who to pick as well but I just can't believe they have zero say in what goes on at all. I can't believe someone like Gary Barlow would have so little integrity to do the show if it was 100% manipulated by the producers.
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Old 19-09-2013, 10:34
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so basically having producers .....AND allowing public to vote ruins what could be a great tv show

i really think the x factor would work better as a radio show.....if its really about the singing then we dont need to see them
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Old 19-09-2013, 11:38
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If the producers do everything, why bother with judges, or indeed the contest at all?
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Old 19-09-2013, 12:36
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We don't "know" all of this. I think there's definitely a lot more producer influence than they want us to believe, but if Frankie says the judges are given 4 songs to pick from that sounds believable.

I imagine the judges are given guidance with who to pick as well but I just can't believe they have zero say in what goes on at all. I can't believe someone like Gary Barlow would have so little integrity to do the show if it was 100% manipulated by the producers.
Very naive.
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Old 19-09-2013, 12:50
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We already know the finalists are chosen by the producers, the songs are chosen by the producers, the running order is carefully chosen by the producers to try and make sure certain acts are in the bottom 2, the judges comments are scripted by the producers, the judges are told who to save in the final showdown
Which brings us to the question of Louis saving the Conway Sisters over Maria Lawson. I'm convinced that was ordered by Cowell and the producers to generate controversy.
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Old 19-09-2013, 13:03
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so basically having producers .....AND allowing public to vote ruins what could be a great tv show

i really think the x factor would work better as a radio show.....if its really about the singing then we dont need to see them
The xfactor has never said it was just about the singing, it is about someone who has the whole package, including their image, personality and their star quality. Therefore, you need to see them and their performance to see if they have the "xfactor" so radio wouldn't work. The only how which would make sense to be a radio show is the voice since it is all abou finding ' the voice'.
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Old 19-09-2013, 13:15
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And of course the reason he is airing his views now is clear from the end of the article..


Frankie is getting back into music and he recently announced he’s in a new band, telling his Twitter followers:

“I’m in a band and we’re called @TheTelescreen .. We have finished writing our album after a long but beautiful year. Details Friday.”
ha ha ha same as the Maloney article
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Old 19-09-2013, 14:28
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I think people are just too happy to blame the producers or come up with a conspiracy theory about song choices or running order blah blah blah when an act they like gets voted out or not put through by the judges rather than just admit their favourite wasn't very good
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Old 19-09-2013, 14:56
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We already know the finalists are chosen by the producers, the songs are chosen by the producers, the running order is carefully chosen by the producers to try and make sure certain acts are in the bottom 2, the judges comments are scripted by the producers, the judges are told who to save in the final showdown
100% truth.

the whole thing is carefully scripted and manipulated to get the results simon cowell/syco wants. everything about it. and it doesn't even bother being subtle anymore either...
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Old 19-09-2013, 14:57
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I think people are just too happy to blame the producers or come up with a conspiracy theory about song choices or running order blah blah blah when an act they like gets voted out or not put through by the judges rather than just admit their favourite wasn't very good
This is too logical for the conspiracy theorist so lets not get in the way. I understand that their is producer influence in some elements but every year we have people bleating on and on about it being a fix etc and this continues straight through to the end of the X-factor, you would think if they are so het up by all this manipulation they would move on to something more open to their tastes.
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:03
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I think people are just too happy to blame the producers or come up with a conspiracy theory about song choices or running order blah blah blah when an act they like gets voted out or not put through by the judges rather than just admit their favourite wasn't very good
not true. most of the years i've watched this show i've genuinely not cared too much about who wins it. the only year i've really stirred myself to give a shit was leona vs ben mills. i loved leona and thought she was incredible, but i personally preferred ben. still though, a win for either would have made me happy.

it's entirely possible to be objective about the acts you're seeing and recognise the twists and manouvers the producers like to pull.
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:10
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not true. most of the years i've watched this show i've genuinely not cared too much about who wins it. the only year i've really stirred myself to give a shit was leona vs ben mills. i loved leona and thought she was incredible, but i personally preferred ben. still though, a win for either would have made me happy.

it's entirely possible to be objective about the acts you're seeing and recognise the twists and manouvers the producers like to pull.
never said I don't accept that the production will attempt to influence the public via editing and the like

its still something that gets made far too much of by people who refuse to accept that their favourite act wasn't very good when they don't get through
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:10
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This is too logical for the conspiracy theorist so lets not get in the way. I understand that their is producer influence in some elements but every year we have people bleating on and on about it being a fix etc and this continues straight through to the end of the X-factor, you would think if they are so het up by all this manipulation they would move on to something more open to their tastes.
the show being fixed and being manipulated are not the same thing.

i personally find accusations that "it's fixed" to be silly - they cannot possibly do that and not get caught. with viewers voting, it's literally an impossibilty.
they can, and do, however, manipulate the back teeth out of it. how they present the acts is crucial to how they'll be received by the public and how many votes they'll get. a rare few contestants can push past this based on sheer strength of personality, but when the lable in question lights up with ££££ around one act, they're going to push that act for all it's worth.
they can't make them win, or outright say "we want this act"....but they can tip the scales ever so slightly in their direction.
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:16
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never said I don't accept that the production will attempt to influence the public via editing and the like

its still something that gets made far too much of by people who refuse to accept that their favourite act wasn't very good when they don't get through
ahh, i understand you better now. yes i agree, people who become stringent fans of an act tend to cry wolf when that act is bottome two. particularly the younger fans. good egs from last year include when james and ella were in the bottom 2 with both sides in uproar yelling 'fix' against the other, or when that rubbish 1direction rip off boyband that was a member short went out. their fans went plum mad! i remember they were louis' act, and it was coming to the finals were the judges were then revealed to be duetting with their acts...nevermind that louis could have easily got westlife in on the next bus, they all cried "FIX" because louis himself couldn't sing.
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:27
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this is ridiculous! i can't believe that a TV show allows it's producers to have a say in the making of the show!!!!!

seriously get real people.

the XF is the most produced show on TV and that's what makes it so good. it's not for everyone, and fair enough if you don't like it you are fortunate enough to live in a country that offers you a bloody good choice of alternatives.

they are not interested in "fixing" the results because when all's said and done they don't have to (sony get their artists no matter who wins). they only have to make it entertaining enough to bring in 8m+ viewers every week.
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:54
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this is ridiculous! i can't believe that a TV show allows it's producers to have a say in the making of the show!!!!!

seriously get real people.

the XF is the most produced show on TV and that's what makes it so good. it's not for everyone, and fair enough if you don't like it you are fortunate enough to live in a country that offers you a bloody good choice of alternatives.

they are not interested in "fixing" the results because when all's said and done they don't have to (sony get their artists no matter who wins). they only have to make it entertaining enough to bring in 8m+ viewers every week.
again, naive.

there's a difference between "having a say in making the show" (duh - that's their job) and manipulating the odds into getting the results that they want. that's not the show's tagline! they CAN'T fix, because that would be illegal, but it IS important that the act that they want gets far in the competition. they have to warrent signing them, and the further they get the more fans they have. acts like one direction and little mix very clearly had sony's backing, but would they have been signed if they'd been outed earlier in the comp? no.
if sony spies £££ with an act, then it's very obviously in their best interest to throw everything they have into making that act a success. the best time to start is when they're still on that platform of being infront of 8-10m viewers every weekend.
if they don't see those £££s, then why bother? and why let that act potentially damage the one they ARE investing in?
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:56
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Frankie CokeUpTheNozza is history so let's move on folks!
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Old 19-09-2013, 16:26
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"He didn’t like me but I don’t know why"

This is typical of sill little ***** like him who are obnoxious but can't see it and think that it's always someone else's fault.

GO AWAY!
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