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Old 19-09-2013, 14:55
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Thought I'd start this thread as a sort of appreciation thread for those people you think deserve a special mention with the 50th Anniversary coming up. These are my thoughts:

Sydney Newman

Very rarely mentioned on this forum but without his creative genius we wouldn't have a show in the first place. And what an idea it was, not only only having a show with an alien as it's title character but having the TARDIS bigger inside than out!

Verity Lambert

As first female producer at the BBC at the time, it must have been tough producing a show as unique as Doctor Who was at the time. Not only did she have to battle sexism in the Beeb, she stood up to Newman over the whole Bug eyed monsters 'ban' he imposed and made an inspired piece of casting in William Hartnell as The Doctor. She also helped get the show up and running past it's initial 13 week commission.

William Hartnell

He gets a tough time on this forum but the fact remains, whether people like his Doctor or not, that he laid down the gauntlet for all other Doctors to follow. Without him, the Tennant fangirls wouldn't have a Doctor to enjoy and we wouldn't have a show today. Sometimes I get the impression, true or not, that on here his contribution is over looked because he isn't your typical Doctor and his Doctor is merely perceived as being grumpy which though true is only part of who his Doctor was.

I also like the fact he has a certain mystique owing to the lack of interview footage of him.

Patrick Troughton

His contribution can never be underestimated. The first actor to take over the role of The Doctor and make it his own. As with Hartnell, he threw down the challenge for other Doctors to follow but in this case he made it possible to play the role in a completely different way. Without that change I doubt the show would have lasted as long as it had.


Anyway, that's my thoughts. If you have any other names or would like to add any further thoughts to the above, feel free.

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Old 19-09-2013, 15:23
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Raymond Cusick.
Without his innovative and iconic design for the Daleks, which was vital to the success of the show, it's very doubtful that we'd all be here, 50 years on.

So massive thanks Ray, for creating a monster that ensured the future success of Doctor Who, and also ensured that I'd waste hours / days / weeks / years of my life talking about it!!
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:43
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I agree with William Hartnell but I also feel Patrick Troughton gets a lot of credit as it is. (Blasphemy DalekAddison!) I mean, I'm not saying he isn't a great actor/person/Doctor but people always seem to go on about how every Doctor like Matt is Patrickesque and how he is one of the most important Doctor. I agree about that, without him the show wouldn't be going on, but people seem to forget William Hartnell was there before him. They almost talk like Patrick was the first. Besides William wasn't a grouchy old man. Maybe a little. But he was fun and quirky too. I often feel Pat gets all the credit for quirkiness.

Ok, rant over. Sorry it feels a bit Troll-like in that when someone praises someone I jump in to say they shouldn't be praised (I feel they should though. They all should. It's just that the quirkiness didn't start with him)

In a less argumentative addition , I think Peter Cushing should be added. I know he's not canon (yet..... Mwuah ha ha. Mwuah ha har! MWUAAHH HAHA HAARRRR!!!) but he did do a good job of being a new Doctor and I think that helped ease the publics mind to regeneration. Pat still managed to pull it off by being a different Doctor, but Cushing showed that a different actor could play the part too.

Again, I like Patrick, I'm not having a go at him. . I love all the Doctors (including Doctor Who )

But don't get me started on people who act like Tom Baker is the Doctor. No, he's your Doctor. It didn't last ten years with people going "if only someone else would take the role who was better." In fact, even before regeneration, "I wish this old man would change into a younger man with a hat and scarf. Then the show would be complete."
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:53
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Everyone who has worked on the show no matter how small their contribution is.
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:56
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Everyone who has worked on the show no matter how small their contribution is.
Hear hear!
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Old 19-09-2013, 15:57
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I agree with William Hartnell but I also feel Patrick Troughton gets a lot of credit as it is. (Blasphemy DalekAddison!) I mean, I'm not saying he isn't a great actor/person/Doctor but people always seem to go on about how every Doctor like Matt is Patrickesque and how he is one of the most important Doctor. I agree about that, without him the show wouldn't be going on, but people seem to forget William Hartnell was there before him. They almost talk like Patrick was the first. Besides William wasn't a grouchy old man. Maybe a little. But he was fun and quirky too. I often feel Pat gets all the credit for quirkiness.

Ok, rant over. Sorry it feels a bit Troll-like in that when someone praises someone I jump in to say they shouldn't be praised (I feel they should though. They all should. It's just that the quirkiness didn't start with him)

In a less argumentative addition , I think Peter Cushing should be added. I know he's not canon (yet..... Mwuah ha ha. Mwuah ha har! MWUAAHH HAHA HAARRRR!!!) but he did do a good job of being a new Doctor and I think that helped ease the publics mind to regeneration. Pat still managed to pull it off by being a different Doctor, but Cushing showed that a different actor could play the part too.

Again, I like Patrick, I'm not having a go at him. . I love all the Doctors (including Doctor Who )

But don't get me started on people who act like Tom Baker is the Doctor. No, he's your Doctor. It didn't last ten years with people going "if only someone else would take the role who was better." In fact, even before regeneration, "I wish this old man would change into a younger man with a hat and scarf. Then the show would be complete."
I disagree Patrick Troughton gets nowhere near the amount of attention Tom Baker or David Tennant gets. Matt Smith was inspired by Tomb of the Cybermen and he was influenced by how Troughton played the role.
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Old 19-09-2013, 16:01
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I thought Smith's agent was Wendy "Zoe" Padbury? I thought I read that she hooked him up with the Troughton episodes to begin with.
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Old 19-09-2013, 16:13
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I disagree Patrick Troughton gets nowhere near the amount of attention Tom Baker or David Tennant gets. Matt Smith was inspired by Tomb of the Cybermen and he was influenced by Troughton.
I thought Smith's agent was Wendy "Zoe" Padbury? I thought I read that she hooked him up with the Troughton episodes to begin with.
Curses, foiled again. . Yes, I know what you mean about Tom Baker and David Tennant. They get quite a bit. I think it's probably because they were the Doctor for so long a period of time that people grow up with just them around. By then when they leave no one "is as good".

But yes, I know Matt was strongly influenced by Patrick. I just forgot about it.
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Old 19-09-2013, 17:49
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Ron grainer... make no mistake the theme tune had to be spot on for the show to have longevity.. and it was better than spot on
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Old 19-09-2013, 19:19
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I disagree Patrick Troughton gets nowhere near the amount of attention Tom Baker or David Tennant gets. Matt Smith was inspired by Tomb of the Cybermen and he was influenced by how Troughton played the role.
It's more than that. Jon Pertwee helped make the show mainstream, Tom Baker defined the role in a way that no-one else has ever managed and RTD revived the show for the 21st Century. All amazing achievements but none of that would have happened if Patrick Troughton hadn't nailed the role. The Troughton era defined the show and it's still the template we see today. The Hartnell era is a different kind of show, one I love but the show found itself in the Troughton Era.

For my money, Robert Holmes and David Whittaker are real heroes of the show. Holmes really invented the Doctor as a Timelord. Not in the literal sense but most of the things we associate with the Doctor as a Time Lord seems to have come from Holmes. Whittaker was instrumental in the early years of the show and never get's enough credit imo.

Finally, having read the recent DWM on the rebirth of the show, Jane Tranter deserves as much, if not more, credit as RTD for bringing back the show. Without her the show would not have returned.
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Old 19-09-2013, 19:33
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Terry nation ... dr who without daleks ... unthinkable

Also terrance dicks .... what devotion he has shown
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Old 19-09-2013, 20:00
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It's more than that. Jon Pertwee helped make the show mainstream, Tom Baker defined the role in a way that no-one else has ever managed and RTD revived the show for the 21st Century. All amazing achievements but none of that would have happened if Patrick Troughton hadn't nailed the role. The Troughton era defined the show and it's still the template we see today. The Hartnell era is a different kind of show, one I love but the show found itself in the Troughton Era.

For my money, Robert Holmes and David Whittaker are real heroes of the show. Holmes really invented the Doctor as a Timelord. Not in the literal sense but most of the things we associate with the Doctor as a Time Lord seems to have come from Holmes. Whittaker was instrumental in the early years of the show and never get's enough credit imo.

Finally, having read the recent DWM on the rebirth of the show, Jane Tranter deserves as much, if not more, credit as RTD for bringing back the show. Without her the show would not have returned.
Agree with this, Troughton gets the credit because he deserves it. If he hadn't won the public over the show probably would have ended after just one Season with him in the role but he did and he made it easier for the rest of the Doctors that followed, which many of the actors concerned have actually acknowledged.

IMO his success is the very reason the show has lasted so long. He made it acceptable for there to be other Doctors.

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Old 19-09-2013, 20:15
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Ron grainer... make no mistake the theme tune had to be spot on for the show to have longevity.. and it was better than spot on
I'll see your Ron Grainer and raise you one Delia Derbyshire!
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Old 19-09-2013, 20:28
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I'll see your Ron Grainer and raise you one Delia Derbyshire!
Nice one... no point bringin murray gold into this eh ..
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Old 19-09-2013, 21:28
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Thought I'd start this thread as a sort of appreciation thread for those people you think deserve a special mention with the 50th Anniversary coming up. These are my thoughts:

Sydney Newman

Verity Lambert

William Hartnell

Patrick Troughton

So... 'Adventures in Time & Space', then.

Consider them recognised.
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Old 19-09-2013, 21:32
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Or even adventure in space and time
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Old 19-09-2013, 23:14
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Here's an obscure writer ... Moris Farhi. His historical epic 'Farewell Great Macedon' was meant for season 1 but never saw production. If you've read the script or heard the Big Finish audio, it's hard not to be impressed.
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Old 19-09-2013, 23:46
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Re: Troughton.

It's also worth noting that as the first actor to take over another in the role he had a big weight on his shoulders. This was at a time when the audience were not previously familiar with the concept of regeneration so it was a make or break situation. Replacing Hartnell was a huge risk in itself.

But despite all that he pulled it off just fine.
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Old 20-09-2013, 00:29
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Here's an obscure writer ... Moris Farhi. His historical epic 'Farewell Great Macedon' was meant for season 1 but never saw production. If you've read the script or heard the Big Finish audio, it's hard not to be impressed.

So his great contribution is to fail to have a script made? I love his Macedon scripts, I own the 'Nothing at the End of the Lane' book of them and the BIG Finish recording is one of my favourites, but his name has no place here. Hes done nothing to contribute towards the success or longevity of the show.


As for the guy who mentioned Ron Grainer... don't get me started. Look up Delia Derbyshire, the woman who REALLY created the theme music.
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Old 20-09-2013, 00:44
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I'd extend from Delia Derbyshire to the Radiophonic workshop: many of the sounds they created remain central to the show today.
Also, Peter Hawkins, whose voice work on the Daleks and Cybermen defined these characters, and remains some of the most effective in the show's history.
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Old 20-09-2013, 00:47
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Katy Manning IMO. She's dedicated to doctor who and does anything she can for it
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Old 20-09-2013, 00:49
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I'd extend from Delia Derbyshire to the Radiophonic workshop: many of the sounds they created remain central to the show today.

Including that TARDIS sound.
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Old 20-09-2013, 03:35
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So his great contribution is to fail to have a script made? I love his Macedon scripts, I own the 'Nothing at the End of the Lane' book of them and the BIG Finish recording is one of my favourites, but his name has no place here. Hes done nothing to contribute towards the success or longevity of the show.
I spend part of my time in an alternate universe where it was made.
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Old 20-09-2013, 07:11
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So... 'Adventures in Time & Space', then.

Consider them recognised.
So you expect a thread like this not to mention them then, just because there's gonna be a TV Show about them?

IMO, they are the four most important people ever to be associated with the show, would be a bit disrespectful not to mention them......
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Old 20-09-2013, 07:18
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On the basis that the OP was about all those that deserve recognition (not specifically those involved in making the show), I would say each and every fan who has been with it since episode 1.
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