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Old 15-10-2013, 11:54
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hummmmm no sure. Will give it another go but found it all a bit twee to be honest.
Vicars being beheaded by undead Horsemen = sickeningly sweet, quaint and dainty.

Odd benchmark for twee you have there, you must know some strange old grannies.
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Old 15-10-2013, 14:06
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I put this on last night on +1 just for something to pass the time and I thought it was one of the best pilots I've seen in recent years and certainly the best of this season's crop. Hopefully it will keep the quality up!
Did the exact same thing, thought the film was a bit pants at the time - Watched it last night & loved the pilot.

It's been renewed for a second season (13 episodes per season.)

Really enjoyed the pilot, far darker than I had expected and hit just the right notes. It felt a bit 'once upon a supernatural fringe'
Yep, good to see Bob Orci & Alex Kurtzman back together on the small screen
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Old 15-10-2013, 19:49
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I didn't realise the guy's name.

An obvious nod to Washington Irving, the writer of the original short story The Legend Of Sleepy Hollow.

Irving met a real Ichabod Crane during the War of 1812

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichabod_Crane_(Colonel)
I didn't know that....:yawn:......
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Old 15-10-2013, 21:31
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Didn't think it was all that but I don't care, Tom Mison is bloomin gorgeous so I'll keep watching.
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Old 16-10-2013, 21:13
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That cop is gonna need an osteopath. I don't know how anybody can think this show is twee.
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Old 17-10-2013, 03:57
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Got to say I'm loving this show so far. Nice mix of the "cop and the creepy" to it, and the female lead is cute too, which helps....

Watched first two eps together (did the same for The Blacklist) as I get a better feel for a show as the first in a series tends to be mostly exposition, but with this one I really didn't need to do it, as it was head chopping good from the start.

(Liked the "joke" of the horse warning sign, a nice touch I thought)

And as to this show being "twee", you are joking, aren't you?.
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Old 17-10-2013, 08:49
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I though Ichabod had got the name of one of the Four Horsemen wrong when he called them War, Conquest, Famine and Death but it turns out that the rider on the White horse was originally called Conquest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Ho...se#White_Horse


I'd put money on the female cop and her sister being descended from a member of The Sisterhood of the Radiant Heart ie the good coven
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Old 17-10-2013, 19:03
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Got to say I'm loving this show so far. Nice mix of the "cop and the creepy" to it, and the female lead is cute too, which helps....

Watched first two eps together (did the same for The Blacklist) as I get a better feel for a show as the first in a series tends to be mostly exposition, but with this one I really didn't need to do it, as it was head chopping good from the start.

(Liked the "joke" of the horse warning sign, a nice touch I thought)

And as to this show being "twee", you are joking, aren't you?.
Great mix - and the flashbacks.
That cop is gonna need an osteopath. I don't know how anybody can think this show is twee.
Freaked me out when he hit the Mirror.

Did like Serilda this week, with the burnt look, and the Sister turning up at the end.

Crane getting use to modern life was fun - the shower, coffee, TV and the10% tax.....Riots I tell you.

Loved the Sinatra tune too....
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Old 17-10-2013, 20:14
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Yes it always amazes me that some people have no problem accepting all the completely impossible occurrences in a program such as this but then worry about something as benign as accepting changes too quickly which is perfectly possible if unlikely.
I've never understood this position (I didn't understand the criticism in the Atlantis thread either). What is he expected to do, just stand in a confused stupor for the entire episode?

What else can you do in these situations except accept them and get on with it? Particularly if you're the hero where anything less than adaptable and decisive is just going to make you a bit of a wimp. It's not like he was actually using any of the technology.


Really loved this too, by the way

Not seen Atlantis so can't comment. It's not a major issue, but when something supernatural happens you get the disbelief, the confusion etc, which is handled well in this show, but commons senses says that someone from such a different era would struggle with basic day to day things- cars, elevators, tv, phones, lights!
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Old 17-10-2013, 20:22
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As for Crane being able to cope with modern technology...

He's able to cope with magic so maybe he's just treating modern technology as a form of magic

In that sense he's just following Clarke's Third Law

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
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Old 18-10-2013, 09:40
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Not seen Atlantis so can't comment. It's not a major issue, but when something supernatural happens you get the disbelief, the confusion etc, which is handled well in this show, but commons senses says that someone from such a different era would struggle with basic day to day things- cars, elevators, tv, phones, lights!
Yes, I loved all the nods to his unfamiliarity with modern concepts in the last episode but at the end of the day, you just raise an eyebrow in surprise and try to learn from it and accept it. Which is what he did. So, as you say, I think it's handled well in the show and I don't really get the criticism.

Atlantis is the reverse situation where a modern man is displaced into the world of ancient Greece complete with strange monsters and magic. Most day to day things will be unfamiliar but not beyond understanding and the magic, you just accept and get on with it if you want to keep your sanity. So I don't really accept that either show is treating the hero's adaptation to the situation unrealistically.
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Old 19-10-2013, 13:40
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I enjoyed it, especially his surprise at a black woman being anything but a slave. However I do think he adapted far too quickly, I mean seriously 200 years of technological advances are not that easy to accept in 5 mins!
He was a professor of History. That puts him in a position to intellectually accept that over a 200 year period there would have been a significant amount technological advances.

On the other hand, history also teaches us that in other areas, such as overcoming slavery, progress can be much slower. Slavery had been going on for thousands of years all over the world, long before the 1700s, so it's no surprise he thought it may still be going on in 2013 (in fact it does still go on in places of the world).
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Old 19-10-2013, 16:06
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The first episode was just a roller-coaster of exposition - setting up the fairly hackneyed Beauty and the Beast style premise with the pretty young cop being shown a strange world by her weird new companion. That said, it was pretty and a teensy bit spooky so I watched the second ep and it's settled in quite well. Sure, it's hackneyed, but I can live with that for now.

I quite agree with the critics of Crane's easy acceptance of the 21st century - forget the technology, it's the noise and crowds that would cause the most immediate problems, along with the speed of things, but that level of realism would not make for good telly.
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Old 19-10-2013, 17:00
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I quite agree with the critics of Crane's easy acceptance of the 21st century - forget the technology, it's the noise and crowds that would cause the most immediate problems, along with the speed of things, but that level of realism would not make for good telly.
Considering he just woke up from a full blown war zone I imagine he wouldn't have much problem adapting to the noise, crowds and speed of things so far. (It's not that crowded anyway, it's hardly New York City).
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Old 20-10-2013, 10:15
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Considering he just woke up from a full blown war zone I imagine he wouldn't have much problem adapting to the noise, crowds and speed of things so far. (It's not that crowded anyway, it's hardly New York City).
Lol good point.
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Old 21-10-2013, 14:36
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Consolidated viewing figures for the first episode adds 280 thousand viewers to the overnight total

http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2013/10/cons...-280k-viewers/
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Old 22-10-2013, 13:27
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That cop is gonna need an osteopath. I don't know how anybody can think this show is twee.
I think it's twee because that's my opinion. It's most definately not a horror story it's a fairy tale, and that to me is twee.

I'll add dull to the list too.
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Old 22-10-2013, 13:41
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I think it's twee because that's my opinion. It's most definately not a horror story it's a fairy tale, and that to me is twee.

I'll add dull to the list too.
What parts did you find dull and twee?
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Old 23-10-2013, 21:42
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The sandman I'm gonna sleep with one eye open tonight.
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Old 25-10-2013, 20:56
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The sandman I'm gonna sleep with one eye open tonight.
Liked the Sandman - but the Dream World, Abbie and Ichabod had, got a bit silly.

I like Jenny.
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Old 25-10-2013, 22:41
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I think it's twee because that's my opinion. It's most definately not a horror story it's a fairy tale, and that to me is twee.

I'll add dull to the list too.
So you put it right up there with Once Upon A Time? I don't agree with you, but there you go.
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Old 26-10-2013, 02:08
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So you put it right up there with Once Upon A Time? I don't agree with you, but there you go.
Oi, don't you diss OUAT you, you, you squiggly thing you.

Lana Parrilla rocks! Especially when tied to beds (but we wont explore that atm)...

As for SH, you gotta love the monsters, so Sqiggle, get your gnashers into sian by all means but leave Lana out of it....
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Old 28-10-2013, 02:34
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I think it's more than a "fairy tale" and certainly not a "horror show" just as the "Star Trek" series can only be called science fiction because it dealt with charcaters of other worlds and species. It also time traveled, had story lines that stretched our imaginagiton and to quote Capt. Kirk it took us to "where no one had gone before". This show also often had us on the edge of our seats, peaking at the screen through our finger blocked vision, and needing to gasp for air because we had held our breath so long in light of what we were really seeing yet could scarely believe. Look carefully and you can see the work and deft hands of the writers of "Star Trek." While "Sleepy Hollow" has the reality factor of our country's history in the story line, it also brings to the show the oft whispered facets of our country's founders belief in the occult. It brings these occult/other world connections and their realm of possibility into our here and now present reality as it is seen in this show. This factor along with what is for some the really scary part, dare I actually say it outloud? It was the founders strongly held belief in The Bible and their acceptence of its teachings into and as a part of their every day lives. This shows up by way of using The Bible's ending which is "The Book of Revelation" as a major part of the story line. Note that I used it as a singular pronoun not the plural pronoun which is sometimes misused when it is wrongly called, "Revelations." It is a single book of a single Revelation written by the Apostle John around 70 A.D. and is the last book of The Bible. I like the show and am glad it was renewed for a second season.
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Old 29-10-2013, 18:23
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This shows up by way of using The Bible's ending which is "The Book of Revelation" as a major part of the story line. Note that I used it as a singular pronoun not the plural pronoun which is sometimes misused when it is wrongly called, "Revelations." It is a single book of a single Revelation written by the Apostle John around 70 A.D. and is the last book of The Bible. I like the show and am glad it was renewed for a second season.
Some Biblical scholars doubt that the John who supposedly wrote The Book of Revelation was not John the Apostle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of...ion#Authorship
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Old 29-10-2013, 18:25
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The second episode got 794,000 viewers,18% up on the premiere

http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2013/10/cons...-800k-viewers/
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