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Old 20-09-2013, 01:01
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I personally think that's the case. EE has been above ED in the ratings since the year dot. Its having good run at the moment however a stronger EE is much better then a stronger ED in the shows respective years.
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Old 20-09-2013, 01:19
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Or possibly it's doing well because it's good? I'm sure lots of people don't watch Eastenders but do watch Emmerdale (myself included). Give credit where it's due. Emmerdale deserves a bit of recognition and is particularly strong just now. Why should you assume that Emmerdale can only prosper on the back of Eastender's failure? I've said this several times already in different threads, but Eastenders is not entitled to first or second place in the ratings, and even if it was getting high viewer numbers that's not always an indicator of good quality.
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Old 20-09-2013, 01:21
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There is no need for some posters to be so upset that ED is now the number two soap in terms of ratings (1 in quality imo). I'm sure EE will get better in time...
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Old 20-09-2013, 01:24
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No, its doing better because its a much better produced, way better acted, thousand times more entertaining, far superior show then the the other which is a overhyped, relentlessly miserable,pile of sh!te and people are finally realising it.

And as its only been going 20 years or so, as opposed to ED's 40 odd, it can't possibly have been 'getting a higher rating than it since the year dot' as ED was around long before it!
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Old 20-09-2013, 01:24
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There is no need for some posters to be so upset that ED is now the number two soap in terms of ratings (1 in quality imo). I'm sure EE will get better in time...
Totally agree. Like I said, credit where it's due. EE will go through its rough patch and no doubt pick up again.
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Old 20-09-2013, 01:29
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No. ED has been great for ages - it's just that with EE so bad, it is finally getting the recognition it deserves.

I'm a lifelong EE fan - starting in 1985. A couple of years back, I used to watch the ITV2 repeats of Corrie while working at night, and often caught the start of Emmerdale. Gradually, over about a month, I got curious and starting watching properly - and the contrast with EE was huge. I found that I liked the characters and was engrossed by the storylines. As time went on, I realised that watching EE was becoming a chore. And when I was unwell one Christmas, I caught up with a lot of older stuff on YouTube, and was amazed by how brilliant it was, how consistent the standard. The Kings, Aaron's struggles, that amazing train/van crash, Chas's wedding....

EE's decline has been a long time coming. No one really agrees on where the rot set in, but for me there were several moments - Dannielle's death, Stacey being ruined, Pat dying, Pauline's change of character, the ridiculous baby swap (I can't say often enough how no two babies look the same!) So many. Billy's family disappearing, Sam Mitchell's headswap, the awful end to the Denise kidnap storyline, the unrelenting Phil/Lola stuff, the Yusuf story being stretched to gossamer thinness. By far the worst moment, for me, was Derek's arrival. I genuinely believe that it was catastrophic for the show. For the first time since 2005, I actually felt repulsed - not by his appearance (seen him in plenty of things), but the character. I've had violence in my life, and something about the character made me hate him. Turning him into a clown didn't help his character, though he was slightly more watchable.

Over the past year, it's been a case of slowly realising that I enjoy ED and Corrie, but viewing EE as something I ought to watch. It's like an addiction. I am so pleased that it's getting better, but a lot of harm has been done. BK and LN managed to do what no other producer did before - wean hardcore fans off the programme. ED deserves massive credit for always being entertaining.

Also, I think the work that Kate Oates has done over the past six months has wedded more fans to ED than ever - converting casual fans to diehard ones. Soaps are like political parties - a core of people who'll always vote your way, but it's floatng voters who win the elections for you. ED has deservedly picked up the 'undecided' - and even better, has made fans like me defect altogether. I'm now devoted to ED and can take or leave EE.
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Old 20-09-2013, 07:15
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No, its doing better because its a much better produced, way better acted, thousand times more entertaining, far superior show then the the other which is a overhyped, relentlessly miserable,pile of sh!te and people are finally realising it.

And as its only been going 20 years or so, as opposed to ED's 40 odd, it can't possibly have been 'getting a higher rating than it since the year dot' as ED was around long before it!
Emmerdale (Farm) started 16 October 1972
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Old 20-09-2013, 07:32
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Yes. Hollyoaks is the best at the moment but is low down. I think if you start regularly watching a soap, you don't turn away unless it becomes very bad. I think EE has lost viewers, that's all.
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Old 20-09-2013, 07:44
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This thread title is so last week

EastEnders is simply not delivering hence ED's lead.

Emmerdale is on cracking form and firing on all cylinders, it's as simple as that!
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Old 20-09-2013, 08:03
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Barbara Windsor said it all on This Morning. I doubt her comments will have resonated with producers all too well. I love the way she supposedly tore up her return script and ad libbed. I also love how she is wearing her own hair for the short stint. It seems that she is completely calling the shots when it comes to Peggy and not the show runners. I expect that they were so desperate to get her back, whatever Barbara said happened! I doubt she is returning and her post credits scene is a final goodbye to the square. She doesn't need the show, they need her more and if that is the case then it's a fitting end I feel.
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Old 20-09-2013, 08:15
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I think the BBC have been very complacent with EE and have allowed it to trundle on for far too long, all soaps go through bad periods and I am sure that EE will pick up again.

I don't know why there is this obsession with the ratings? ED fans have had to be content with the number 3 slot for a long time even though the storylines and acting have been amazing. The show often comes away empty handed at awards ceremonies as well which is disappointing when you consider the quality of some of the acting.

ED has been brilliant for a long time, there are a few threads on here that suggest it is only doing well because EE is making it look good which I think is nonsense.
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Old 20-09-2013, 08:40
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This thread title is so last week

EastEnders is simply not delivering hence ED's lead.

Emmerdale is on cracking form and firing on all cylinders, it's as simple as that!
Agreed!

Also agree with 80sGal.
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Old 20-09-2013, 09:19
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No. Emmerdale is excellent at the moment. It is doing well, because of this and Kates Oates. Kate Oates has been brilliant at Emmerdale so far.

I personally do not think Eastenders is that bad, I think it is good, but not as good as it can be. I am sure when Dominic starts his work, then Eastenders will be back to its best. At the end of the day, a decent producer who understands a show can make all the difference.
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Old 20-09-2013, 09:29
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ED did not cause EE ratings slump.
EE did not cause ED ratings boost.
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Old 20-09-2013, 09:37
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No. Emmerdale is excellent at the moment. It is doing well, because of this and Kates Oates. Kate Oates has been brilliant at Emmerdale so far.

I personally do not think Eastenders is that bad, I think it is good, but not as good as it can be. I am sure when Dominic starts his work, then Eastenders will be back to its best. At the end of the day, a decent producer who understands a show can make all the difference.


I agree with you, I know some people on here think I think EE is just soooo brilliant lol but I know it's not it's best it can be, however, I still enjoy it.
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Old 20-09-2013, 09:38
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Emmerdale is amazing at the moment. EE being crap has nothing to do with it.
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Old 20-09-2013, 10:00
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Emmerdale is amazing at the moment. EE being crap has nothing to do with it.

I agree, no one or no programme gets anywhere by trying to one-up or compare itself to another. The idea that for ED to be great can only happen if EE is bad is a dubious argument.

If EE was doing great ED would still be doing what it is doing, and that is showing incredible drama and storylines, being consistent. And it has always had amazing actors in the past and present. Danny Miller for one. I remember a couple of years back when Jessie Wallace won best actress at the British Soap awards she was totally surprised and said, "I was not expecting to win", then pointed at Jane Cox and said "I thought it was going to be you!"

So it's not just fans on the forums that think that. The soap actors are saying what a great job Emmerdale is doing.

ED would still be great at the moment with or without a strong EE. It's that simple.
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Old 20-09-2013, 10:11
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They are on at different times. People can watch both of them, it's not like when they put Coronation Street on at 7.30 on a Tuesday.

Emmerdale is doing better because at the moment it is the better Soap. It has had it's moments but it is not all doom and gloom. It has it's light hearted moments and it does drama well.

Eastenders has weak storylines which start off promising and then fizzle out. What has happened with Sharon's painkiller addiction, Emmerdale has made Rhona's more believable. Phil's crack addiction lasted two weeks and then he was up and about "ruling the square". Holly's heroin addiction went on for months and you saw the fall out etc. Brenda's cancer has been more realistic than Tanya's where she seemed to recover straight away. They research their storylines better and they don't rely on sensationalist comebacks - Ronnie, David.

Eastenders has been in decline for years, the Baby swap for many was the final straw and they won't be back. I like Emmerdale because it isn't hard to watch, yes people have their problems but they are interspersed with comedy and less serious things and the characters are more likeable.
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Old 20-09-2013, 10:13
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I cannot vote in this poll as I don't like the options. Obviously Emmerdale is streets ahead of Eastenders at the moment, but if i vote "No", it doesn't tell the whole story!

Eastenders being so woeful should not detract from all the good work at Emmerdale - The poll needs re-wording!!!
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Old 20-09-2013, 10:13
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Emmerdale is amazing at the moment. EE being crap has nothing to do with it.
This is right
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Old 20-09-2013, 10:19
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No. ED has been great for ages - it's just that with EE so bad, it is finally getting the recognition it deserves.

I'm a lifelong EE fan - starting in 1985. A couple of years back, I used to watch the ITV2 repeats of Corrie while working at night, and often caught the start of Emmerdale. Gradually, over about a month, I got curious and starting watching properly - and the contrast with EE was huge. I found that I liked the characters and was engrossed by the storylines. As time went on, I realised that watching EE was becoming a chore. And when I was unwell one Christmas, I caught up with a lot of older stuff on YouTube, and was amazed by how brilliant it was, how consistent the standard. The Kings, Aaron's struggles, that amazing train/van crash, Chas's wedding....

EE's decline has been a long time coming. No one really agrees on where the rot set in, but for me there were several moments - Dannielle's death, Stacey being ruined, Pat dying, Pauline's change of character, the ridiculous baby swap (I can't say often enough how no two babies look the same!) So many. Billy's family disappearing, Sam Mitchell's headswap, the awful end to the Denise kidnap storyline, the unrelenting Phil/Lola stuff, the Yusuf story being stretched to gossamer thinness. By far the worst moment, for me, was Derek's arrival. I genuinely believe that it was catastrophic for the show. For the first time since 2005, I actually felt repulsed - not by his appearance (seen him in plenty of things), but the character. I've had violence in my life, and something about the character made me hate him. Turning him into a clown didn't help his character, though he was slightly more watchable.

Over the past year, it's been a case of slowly realising that I enjoy ED and Corrie, but viewing EE as something I ought to watch. It's like an addiction. I am so pleased that it's getting better, but a lot of harm has been done. BK and LN managed to do what no other producer did before - wean hardcore fans off the programme. ED deserves massive credit for always being entertaining.

Also, I think the work that Kate Oates has done over the past six months has wedded more fans to ED than ever - converting casual fans to diehard ones. Soaps are like political parties - a core of people who'll always vote your way, but it's floatng voters who win the elections for you. ED has deservedly picked up the 'undecided' - and even better, has made fans like me defect altogether. I'm now devoted to ED and can take or leave EE.
I was also a life-long EE fan - but turned off regularly when Derek arrived - Hate it when Eastenders does "gangster" - Never works - Its just comedy!!! No longer watch it, and I doubt I will go back to it with any frequency!! Watched 10 minutes yesterday as I was waiting for the 2nd episode of fantastic Emmerdale - Had to switch off...The football training, the hammy acting of that character "Sam" - I clearly see I am not/ have not missed a thing.
Not interested in revisiting the Ronnie arc - Eastenders seems to be all hype and no substance these days. I few 'flash' weeks of a decent plot does not negate the rot that has passed the last few years!!
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Old 20-09-2013, 12:27
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No. ED has been great for ages - it's just that with EE so bad, it is finally getting the recognition it deserves.

I'm a lifelong EE fan - starting in 1985. A couple of years back, I used to watch the ITV2 repeats of Corrie while working at night, and often caught the start of Emmerdale. Gradually, over about a month, I got curious and starting watching properly - and the contrast with EE was huge. I found that I liked the characters and was engrossed by the storylines. As time went on, I realised that watching EE was becoming a chore. And when I was unwell one Christmas, I caught up with a lot of older stuff on YouTube, and was amazed by how brilliant it was, how consistent the standard. The Kings, Aaron's struggles, that amazing train/van crash, Chas's wedding....

EE's decline has been a long time coming. No one really agrees on where the rot set in, but for me there were several moments - Dannielle's death, Stacey being ruined, Pat dying, Pauline's change of character, the ridiculous baby swap (I can't say often enough how no two babies look the same!) So many. Billy's family disappearing, Sam Mitchell's headswap, the awful end to the Denise kidnap storyline, the unrelenting Phil/Lola stuff, the Yusuf story being stretched to gossamer thinness. By far the worst moment, for me, was Derek's arrival. I genuinely believe that it was catastrophic for the show. For the first time since 2005, I actually felt repulsed - not by his appearance (seen him in plenty of things), but the character. I've had violence in my life, and something about the character made me hate him. Turning him into a clown didn't help his character, though he was slightly more watchable.

Over the past year, it's been a case of slowly realising that I enjoy ED and Corrie, but viewing EE as something I ought to watch. It's like an addiction. I am so pleased that it's getting better, but a lot of harm has been done. BK and LN managed to do what no other producer did before - wean hardcore fans off the programme. ED deserves massive credit for always being entertaining.

Also, I think the work that Kate Oates has done over the past six months has wedded more fans to ED than ever - converting casual fans to diehard ones. Soaps are like political parties - a core of people who'll always vote your way, but it's floatng voters who win the elections for you. ED has deservedly picked up the 'undecided' - and even better, has made fans like me defect altogether. I'm now devoted to ED and can take or leave EE.
Summed up to perfection.
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Old 20-09-2013, 12:55
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No, its doing better because its a much better produced, way better acted, thousand times more entertaining, far superior show then the the other which is a overhyped, relentlessly miserable,pile of sh!te and people are finally realising it.

And as its only been going 20 years or so, as opposed to ED's 40 odd, it can't possibly have been 'getting a higher rating than it since the year dot' as ED was around long before it!
well said fellow collie dude!!
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Old 20-09-2013, 13:00
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I don't know why there is this obsession with the ratings? ED fans have had to be content with the number 3 slot for a long time even though the storylines and acting have been amazing. The show often comes away empty handed at awards ceremonies as well which is disappointing when you consider the quality of some of the acting.

ED has been brilliant for a long time, there are a few threads on here that suggest it is only doing well because EE is making it look good which I think is nonsense.
Well said!
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Old 20-09-2013, 13:38
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This thread title is so last week

EastEnders is simply not delivering hence ED's lead.

Emmerdale is on cracking form and firing on all cylinders, it's as simple as that!
I think the BBC have been very complacent with EE and have allowed it to trundle on for far too long, all soaps go through bad periods and I am sure that EE will pick up again.

I don't know why there is this obsession with the ratings? ED fans have had to be content with the number 3 slot for a long time even though the storylines and acting have been amazing. The show often comes away empty handed at awards ceremonies as well which is disappointing when you consider the quality of some of the acting.

ED has been brilliant for a long time, there are a few threads on here that suggest it is only doing well because EE is making it look good which I think is nonsense.
ED did not cause EE ratings slump.
EE did not cause ED ratings boost.
All of this!

I dont know why this is a question! EE and ED arnt produced by the same production team, written by the same writers, and dosnt air on the same time slot!

The simple fact is that as many have said the quality on ED is just simply superior and comes from someone who watches BOTH shows!

Plots are all over the place on EE, so many boring unwatchable characters that the writers really dont seem to know what to do with! Where as ED has a good range of characters that are being given storylines that are expanding their characters!

I hope EE does pick up under DTC, ED have been there under SB but since Kate Oats came in the show has picked up that ball and are running very far with it! The same could happen with EE and DTC, only time will tell! But ED's success has got nothing to do with EE being shite!
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