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Old 20-09-2013, 17:02
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apparently selena gomez had to cancel russian gigs as she was denied a visa following her very prominent defence of gay rights!!
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Old 20-09-2013, 17:08
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And Putin claims that there's no prejudice towards gay people in Russia. Hmm... What childish people the Russian government are.
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Old 21-09-2013, 00:21
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Why are we so self righteous over homophobia in Russia? Attitudes to gay people were exactly the same in this country not so long ago.
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Old 21-09-2013, 00:40
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Why are we so self righteous over homophobia in Russia? Attitudes to gay people were exactly the same in this country not so long ago.
But now they aren't - or at least most people's aren't.
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Old 21-09-2013, 00:46
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Why are we so self righteous over homophobia in Russia? Attitudes to gay people were exactly the same in this country not so long ago.
I hope we in the UK have moved on since then.
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Old 21-09-2013, 01:22
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Why are we so self righteous over homophobia in Russia? Attitudes to gay people were exactly the same in this country not so long ago.
Because we changed (well most of us anyway) and we know how wrong it is and just because we like every other country were wrong in the past does not mean we should say its ok for Russia to still be like that today and just hope they change one day.

And when you say not so long ago homosexuality was decriminalised in England and Wales ( Scotland lagged behind by 14 years and NI by 15) in 1967 that's 46 years ago, that's plenty of time for Russia to have caught up if it wanted to.

And with Putin and all the rumours I think with him its a case of "the man doth protest too much"
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Old 21-09-2013, 09:54
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Homosexuality isn't illegal in Russia, it is the 'promotion' or advocacy of 'non-traditional sexual relations' in material distributed to minors that is the subject of Russia's new laws. Though the efffect of the law is to extend the ban on promotion of "gay rights" to the general community, since the general community obviously includes children.

You might like to look up "Section 28" or "Clause 28" of the Local Government Act 1988 to discover that the Tories introduced a similar proscription into local government legislation intended to prevent schools and local authority organisations including libraries from
"intentionally promot[ing] homosexuality or publish[ing] material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promot[ing] the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28

So it's not as long ago as you seem to think that the British government establishment rid itself of it's reactionary and discriminatory attitude (if indeed you truly believe that it has!) - Section 28 was only repealed by the Labour government in November 2003, less than a decade ago
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Old 21-09-2013, 10:30
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Why are we so self righteous over homophobia in Russia? Attitudes to gay people were exactly the same in this country not so long ago.
We're going on about Selena being refused entry into Russia, probably because she defended gay rights. It's not about what the average person in Russia thinks, but probably why Selena was refused a Russian visa.
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Old 21-09-2013, 12:06
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I think I'd prefer it if the Russian government didn't turn a massive blind eye to the torture and beating of it's own gay kids that end up on camera, instead of arresting the perpetrators (neo-Nazis, massive problem with torture murders of foreign workers here also).

And that the police always end up arresting the gay rights marchers when the anti-mob/skinheads decide to turn vicious (which is always).

I think you just expect Russia to be a bit more advanced and understanding than it is. Besides, it's a miserable, chilly place.
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Old 21-09-2013, 19:21
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You might like to look up "Section 28" or "Clause 28" of the Local Government Act 1988 to discover that the Tories introduced a similar proscription into local government legislation intended to prevent schools and local authority organisations including libraries from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28

So it's not as long ago as you seem to think that the British government establishment rid itself of it's reactionary and discriminatory attitude (if indeed you truly believe that it has!) - Section 28 was only repealed by the Labour government in November 2003, less than a decade ago
But gay pride celebrations and marches etc weren't banned in the uk during that time, as they are in Russia
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Old 21-09-2013, 20:29
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But gay pride celebrations and marches etc weren't banned in the uk during that time, as they are in Russia
Indeed, the essence of gay pride is political. It was lobbying for the repeal of Section 28 as soon as it was introduced. Interestingly, one of those voting against the repeal of section 28 was David Cameron.

As for the Russian treatment of gays?

The British gay press has been reporting the arrests,harassment, police raids, assaults, rape of lesbians for twenty years.

How comes it has taken the straight press so long to pay attention?
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Old 22-09-2013, 01:36
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Homosexuality isn't illegal in Russia, it is the 'promotion' or advocacy of 'non-traditional sexual relations' in material distributed to minors that is the subject of Russia's new laws. Though the efffect of the law is to extend the ban on promotion of "gay rights" to the general community, since the general community obviously includes children.

You might like to look up "Section 28" or "Clause 28" of the Local Government Act 1988 to discover that the Tories introduced a similar proscription into local government legislation intended to prevent schools and local authority organisations including libraries from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28

So it's not as long ago as you seem to think that the British government establishment rid itself of it's reactionary and discriminatory attitude (if indeed you truly believe that it has!) - Section 28 was only repealed by the Labour government in November 2003, less than a decade ago
That's a reason (one among many others) to condemn the Thatcher Government, not a reason to refrain from condemning Putin.
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Old 22-09-2013, 10:51
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serves her right.what business has she got interfering with russias attempts to protect its children?
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Old 22-09-2013, 11:22
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Makes you wonder if Putin had some weird uncle when he was younger.
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Old 23-09-2013, 00:14
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serves her right.what business has she got interfering with russias attempts to protect its children?
Where does protecting children come into it?
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Old 23-09-2013, 00:15
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Makes you wonder if Putin had some weird uncle when he was younger.
Putin is blatantly in denial. All that homoerotic posturing with his top off
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Old 23-09-2013, 00:45
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Homosexuality isn't illegal in Russia, it is the 'promotion' or advocacy of 'non-traditional sexual relations' in material distributed to minors that is the subject of Russia's new laws. Though the efffect of the law is to extend the ban on promotion of "gay rights" to the general community, since the general community obviously includes children.

You might like to look up "Section 28" or "Clause 28" of the Local Government Act 1988 to discover that the Tories introduced a similar proscription into local government legislation intended to prevent schools and local authority organisations including libraries from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28

So it's not as long ago as you seem to think that the British government establishment rid itself of it's reactionary and discriminatory attitude (if indeed you truly believe that it has!) - Section 28 was only repealed by the Labour government in November 2003, less than a decade ago
Section 28 didnt apply to private citizens like the Russian law, just to local government and its employees (even schools were removed from its remit quite quickly). Certainly no-one was threatened with prison as in the Russian law. Comparing the two isn't helpful... the Russian law covers all aspects of the private citizens right to free expression with very severe penalties. Section 28 never even got as far as one court case.
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