I wondered what happens to his incarnations when he regenerates. Do they go off to the time lord equivalent of heaven or do they stay in a kind of limbo until the Dr life comes to an end. Just an idea really as if they stay in limbo it may be a way of bringing the remaining dr together for a one off special to talk about their adventure for the 50th and it may also explain why they look a little older perhaps ?? What do you think
What happens to the Dr incarnations when he regenerates ?
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One of the New Adventures, can't recall which, speculated that the personalities of the dying Doctor are buried away deep into the psyche of the current Doctor, but still 'live' in the subconscious mind of the Timelord.
This might also explain why as each new Doctor arrives, small traits of previous incarnations can sometimes surface.
This might also explain why as each new Doctor arrives, small traits of previous incarnations can sometimes surface.
Originally Posted by Tardy:
“I wondered what happens to his incarnations when he regenerates. Do they go off to the time lord equivalent of heaven or do they stay in a kind of limbo until the Dr life comes to an end. Just an idea really as if they stay in limbo it may be a way of bringing the remaining dr together for a one off special to talk about their adventure for the 50th and it may also explain why they look a little older perhaps ?? What do you think”
“I wondered what happens to his incarnations when he regenerates. Do they go off to the time lord equivalent of heaven or do they stay in a kind of limbo until the Dr life comes to an end. Just an idea really as if they stay in limbo it may be a way of bringing the remaining dr together for a one off special to talk about their adventure for the 50th and it may also explain why they look a little older perhaps ?? What do you think”
Nothing really happens to them - they're left behind like old toenail clippings or an old haircut. The Doctor is a single being with many faces, that's all.
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Nothing really happens to them - they're left behind like old toenail clippings or an old haircut. The Doctor is a single being with many faces, that's all.”
“Nothing really happens to them - they're left behind like old toenail clippings or an old haircut. The Doctor is a single being with many faces, that's all.”
I'd tend to disagree. The Dr may be a single timelord but if lean towards his individual incarnations being separate individuals although the memories as experiences are retained by the timelord when they depart ..
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Nothing really happens to them - they're left behind like old toenail clippings or an old haircut. The Doctor is a single being with many faces, that's all.”
“Nothing really happens to them - they're left behind like old toenail clippings or an old haircut. The Doctor is a single being with many faces, that's all.”
This is how I see it too. One man, many faces. Each incarnation just exaggerates different aspects of his persona but it's all still him.
Originally Posted by Tardy:
“I wondered what happens to his incarnations when he regenerates. Do they go off to the time lord equivalent of heaven or do they stay in a kind of limbo until the Dr life comes to an end.”
“I wondered what happens to his incarnations when he regenerates. Do they go off to the time lord equivalent of heaven or do they stay in a kind of limbo until the Dr life comes to an end.”
One of them ended up as a scarecrow.
I like the idea of them being inside him somewhere. Could you imagine if someone bonked him on the head and he woke up acting like Tom Bakers Doctor? In fact, he would think he was. They'd have to bonk him on the head again to get him too remember.
Either that or they are all stored in the TARDISes Matrix. There they can spend the rest of time running around inside their past adventures and enjoying cups of tea with each other.
Until the TARDIS blows up. But apart from that...
Either that or they are all stored in the TARDISes Matrix. There they can spend the rest of time running around inside their past adventures and enjoying cups of tea with each other.
Until the TARDIS blows up. But apart from that...
The 'ganger couldn't handle the fact that the Doctor had one current form but many incarnations, so aspects of them must always be there, even if the current Dr doesn't always acknowledge them.
Originally Posted by Grisonaut:
“The 'ganger couldn't handle the fact that the Doctor had one current form but many incarnations, so aspects of them must always be there, even if the current Dr doesn't always acknowledge them.”
“The 'ganger couldn't handle the fact that the Doctor had one current form but many incarnations, so aspects of them must always be there, even if the current Dr doesn't always acknowledge them.”
Meh, personally I'd interpret that as simply his memories struggling due to the ganger being unstable.
Originally Posted by dalekaddison:
“I like the idea of them being inside him somewhere. Could you imagine if someone bonked him on the head and he woke up acting like Tom Bakers Doctor? In fact, he would think he was. They'd have to bonk him on the head again to get him too remember.
”
“I like the idea of them being inside him somewhere. Could you imagine if someone bonked him on the head and he woke up acting like Tom Bakers Doctor? In fact, he would think he was. They'd have to bonk him on the head again to get him too remember.
”
Maybe that will be in the 50th.
The 11th Doctor gets bonked on the head a lot and each time he wakes up he talks with the voice of a previous Doctor.
They could even throw in Capaldi's voice for a Timey Wimey Twisty Wisty thing.
Originally Posted by inspector drake:
“Meh, personally I'd interpret that as simply his memories struggling due to the ganger being unstable.”
“Meh, personally I'd interpret that as simply his memories struggling due to the ganger being unstable.”
I can't remember the exact lines that 11 uses to explain it, so you may be right.
Well, based on the last episode, if you're a "good doctor" then you get to run around a misty no-man's land for all eternity.
If you're a "bad Doctor" then you must stand completely still and ponder your un-doctor-y actions!
No wonder the Time Lords don't really do religion if that's their version of eternal paradise and eternal torment
If you're a "bad Doctor" then you must stand completely still and ponder your un-doctor-y actions!
No wonder the Time Lords don't really do religion if that's their version of eternal paradise and eternal torment
Ok, my first post on here and I am probably going to get a lot of abuse!
I think that the doctors regenerations work in a similar way as you install a new operating system onto an existing computer such as microsoft windows. (i know but bear with me)
You have the original Windows (1st doctor) that still is beloved even if acknowledged by (some) of todays standards to be dated.
In the same context you have popular version Windows 7 (Tenth Doctor) and not so popular Windows Vista (6th Doctor..maybe even though I actually liked him)
The reason for this anology is that this is how I consider how regeneration works, each regeneration is an install of the new Doctor on top of the old operating system.
This way each Doctor can be considered as being both new and old at the same time, being built on what has come before (retaining the previous versions files) but while at the same time being seperate from the last "version"...and sometimes prone to glitches and bugs...(insert your own Doctor here)
I think that the doctors regenerations work in a similar way as you install a new operating system onto an existing computer such as microsoft windows. (i know but bear with me)
You have the original Windows (1st doctor) that still is beloved even if acknowledged by (some) of todays standards to be dated.
In the same context you have popular version Windows 7 (Tenth Doctor) and not so popular Windows Vista (6th Doctor..maybe even though I actually liked him)
The reason for this anology is that this is how I consider how regeneration works, each regeneration is an install of the new Doctor on top of the old operating system.
This way each Doctor can be considered as being both new and old at the same time, being built on what has come before (retaining the previous versions files) but while at the same time being seperate from the last "version"...and sometimes prone to glitches and bugs...(insert your own Doctor here)
Originally Posted by matdevine21:
“Ok, my first post on here and I am probably going to get a lot of abuse!
I think that the doctors regenerations work in a similar way as you install a new operating system onto an existing computer such as microsoft windows. (i know but bear with me)
You have the original Windows (1st doctor) that still is beloved even if acknowledged by (some) of todays standards to be dated.
In the same context you have popular version Windows 7 (Tenth Doctor) and not so popular Windows Vista (6th Doctor..maybe even though I actually liked him)
The reason for this anology is that this is how I consider how regeneration works, each regeneration is an install of the new Doctor on top of the old operating system.
This way each Doctor can be considered as being both new and old at the same time, being built on what has come before (retaining the previous versions files) but while at the same time being seperate from the last "version"...and sometimes prone to glitches and bugs...(insert your own Doctor here)”
“Ok, my first post on here and I am probably going to get a lot of abuse!
I think that the doctors regenerations work in a similar way as you install a new operating system onto an existing computer such as microsoft windows. (i know but bear with me)
You have the original Windows (1st doctor) that still is beloved even if acknowledged by (some) of todays standards to be dated.
In the same context you have popular version Windows 7 (Tenth Doctor) and not so popular Windows Vista (6th Doctor..maybe even though I actually liked him)
The reason for this anology is that this is how I consider how regeneration works, each regeneration is an install of the new Doctor on top of the old operating system.
This way each Doctor can be considered as being both new and old at the same time, being built on what has come before (retaining the previous versions files) but while at the same time being seperate from the last "version"...and sometimes prone to glitches and bugs...(insert your own Doctor here)”
I'm not going to abuse you! I think this is a well thought out analogy.
Originally Posted by inspector drake:
“Meh, personally I'd interpret that as simply his memories struggling due to the ganger being unstable.”
“Meh, personally I'd interpret that as simply his memories struggling due to the ganger being unstable.”
11: "The Flesh is struggling to cope with our past regenerations"
Originally Posted by matdevine21:
“Ok, my first post on here and I am probably going to get a lot of abuse!
I think that the doctors regenerations work in a similar way as you install a new operating system onto an existing computer such as microsoft windows. (i know but bear with me)
You have the original Windows (1st doctor) that still is beloved even if acknowledged by (some) of todays standards to be dated.
In the same context you have popular version Windows 7 (Tenth Doctor) and not so popular Windows Vista (6th Doctor..maybe even though I actually liked him)
The reason for this anology is that this is how I consider how regeneration works, each regeneration is an install of the new Doctor on top of the old operating system.
This way each Doctor can be considered as being both new and old at the same time, being built on what has come before (retaining the previous versions files) but while at the same time being seperate from the last "version"...and sometimes prone to glitches and bugs...(insert your own Doctor here)”
“Ok, my first post on here and I am probably going to get a lot of abuse!
I think that the doctors regenerations work in a similar way as you install a new operating system onto an existing computer such as microsoft windows. (i know but bear with me)
You have the original Windows (1st doctor) that still is beloved even if acknowledged by (some) of todays standards to be dated.
In the same context you have popular version Windows 7 (Tenth Doctor) and not so popular Windows Vista (6th Doctor..maybe even though I actually liked him)
The reason for this anology is that this is how I consider how regeneration works, each regeneration is an install of the new Doctor on top of the old operating system.
This way each Doctor can be considered as being both new and old at the same time, being built on what has come before (retaining the previous versions files) but while at the same time being seperate from the last "version"...and sometimes prone to glitches and bugs...(insert your own Doctor here)”
That's a very good way of putting it. I don't know why some people struggle with the Doctor and his regenerations. He is just like a computer; the same hardware, different software (obviously the hardware gets updated with a new look though).
Originally Posted by Hestia:
“I'm not going to abuse you! I think this is a well thought out analogy.”
“I'm not going to abuse you! I think this is a well thought out analogy.”
Yes, I suppose there's always legacy code and outdated drivers.
Or maybe it's like installing an old hard drive (with memories and skills) into a new computer?
Either way, as long as no-one suggests that each regeneration is necessarily an upgrade!
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Yes, I suppose there's always legacy code and outdated drivers.
Or maybe it's like installing an old hard drive (with memories and skills) into a new computer?
Either way, as long as no-one suggests that each regeneration is necessarily an upgrade!”
“Yes, I suppose there's always legacy code and outdated drivers.
Or maybe it's like installing an old hard drive (with memories and skills) into a new computer?
Either way, as long as no-one suggests that each regeneration is necessarily an upgrade!”
No ginger as of yet, so no upgrade as of yet.
Originally Posted by Tardy:
“I'd tend to disagree. The Dr may be a single timelord but if lean towards his individual incarnations being separate individuals although the memories as experiences are retained by the timelord when they depart ..”
“I'd tend to disagree. The Dr may be a single timelord but if lean towards his individual incarnations being separate individuals although the memories as experiences are retained by the timelord when they depart ..”
Interesting, that's sort of comparable to the Dax character in DS9, where each Host isn't just a series of different personalities & faces, but in fact a unique entity in itself that had a independent life before they inherited the Symbiont. Each 'soul' inherits the memories of the previous hosts, but is aware that the memories are not theirs.
That would be an interesting way to take Regeneration, and there's enough wiggle room for Moff to do that, since the actual science of what goes on has never really been nailed down by the writers. It's certainly fun to imagine previous Docs continuing to have some sort of semi existence after Regeneration, and would be a fun way to bring previous docs back without using timey wimey, or having to worry about paradoxes and whatnot.
Originally Posted by Theophile:
“No ginger as of yet, so no upgrade as of yet.”
“No ginger as of yet, so no upgrade as of yet.
”
Is being ginger the Windows Vista of regeneration then?
They go off into a life of typecastism, scarecrow impersonators, advert voiceoverism, conference attendees, reality tv, ... Have I missed anything... Oh yeah, wishing they had their time again!
Originally Posted by SpringheelJack:
“One of the New Adventures, can't recall which, speculated that the personalities of the dying Doctor are buried away deep into the psyche of the current Doctor, but still 'live' in the subconscious mind of the Timelord.
This might also explain why as each new Doctor arrives, small traits of previous incarnations can sometimes surface.”
“One of the New Adventures, can't recall which, speculated that the personalities of the dying Doctor are buried away deep into the psyche of the current Doctor, but still 'live' in the subconscious mind of the Timelord.
This might also explain why as each new Doctor arrives, small traits of previous incarnations can sometimes surface.”
I watched Series 10 in its entirety today (really good but sad end
) and as you know it starts with The Three Doctors where the previous Doctors are brought back (but more that they're taken from their timestreams opposed to reverse regenerated.I'm not sure if it was in this episode, or another one around it. Come to think of it I think it was the one before - The Time Monster - where the Master ejects the Doctor into the space between time and Jo is left in the Tardis alone and cliffhangered. She hears The Doctor but there's other voices and he says it's his subconscious and not to listen to them, as there's one he's 'not proud of'... anyone else think this is a very early hint to Hurt as well as his prior incarnations. Tried to pick out the other voices but don't think they were that audible words.
Remember when his Ganger started flipping out and acted like past incarnations? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa4VIGnW1Us
This leads me to believe that they're all still there somewhere in his subconscious, kind of like how the TARDIS has old control rooms archived and hidden away. Maybe he could somehow retrieve a body and change back into a past incarnation? That's obviously an entirely different topic for another day though
This leads me to believe that they're all still there somewhere in his subconscious, kind of like how the TARDIS has old control rooms archived and hidden away. Maybe he could somehow retrieve a body and change back into a past incarnation? That's obviously an entirely different topic for another day though
I don't think anything needs to happens to them. It's not like a different man takes over and looks the others away. They're all still in there - after all, they're not really separate entities as they're just different aspects of the same person.
Colin Baker explained it really well in once of the new Watch documentaries this weekend. I'm paraphrasing, but his theory was that when a TimeLord is dying, all the molecules in his body rearrange themselves to save him - so it's all still the same 'matter', just arranged differently, and this is what causes his change in appearance and behaviour.
Colin Baker explained it really well in once of the new Watch documentaries this weekend. I'm paraphrasing, but his theory was that when a TimeLord is dying, all the molecules in his body rearrange themselves to save him - so it's all still the same 'matter', just arranged differently, and this is what causes his change in appearance and behaviour.
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