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Old 24-09-2013, 13:46
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I have a suspicion it might be, it has 3 cities and seems to have more actual countryside with more space devoted to things such as forests and desserts. GTA V has more mountains and of course far more detail on everything that it does have, but in terms of sheer space I have a feeling that the GTA San Andreas map is simply bigger, one clue is not just the three different cities over GTA V's one but also the number of counties such as Red County, Bone County & Flint County whilst GTA V only has the city of Los Santos and the outlying Blaine County.

Interesting discussion on this here - http://www.escapistmagazine.com/foru...y-all-there-is
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Old 24-09-2013, 14:03
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your crazy, go exploring
the map is hugeeeeee

you have the main city, countryside,mountains, desert , villages/towns all around and a huge ocean and all the hidden places that arent on the map

there is some crazy stuff under the water , just the ocean space is probably bigger than san andreas map
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Old 24-09-2013, 14:14
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your crazy, go exploring
the map is hugeeeeee

you have the main city, countryside,mountains, desert , villages/towns all around and a huge ocean and all the hidden places that arent on the map

there is some crazy stuff under the water , just the ocean space is probably bigger than san andreas map
I've done lots of exploring, I agree that technically GTA V's map is probably actually bigger, but with GTA San Andreas having the three cities over one, and the variety in the different counties it certainly still FEELS bigger!
It was a suspicious and nagging thought that occurred to me very early on playing and exploring and as soon as I took a looping drive up the freeway and didn't eventually end up in another city and realised I had just gone on a big circle it sort of confirmed it!

Rockstar say that GTA V's world is bigger than GTA San Andreas's and Red Dead Redemptions map put together, but then it is pointed out in that thread I linked to that the huge interior lake in Blaine County is actually bigger than RDR's map and that a lot of the space is also filled with generic hills it is very easy to see why GTA San Andreas feels psychologically bigger, play the PC version of that game and with HD resolution is stunning to play anyway, on PS2 I will admit the graphics are rather more crude.

This is not to say that GTA V's world isn't a great one to explore, it still is, but I would have included one more city and I would have made bigger towns in between, with Los Santos we go from one massive city to almost mere hamlets in the rest of Blaine County up north of it. But towns such as Angel Pine in GTA San Andreas were a bit more substantial it would have been good to build on that, in the real life California when you get north of LA and those Santa Barbera Mountains or whatever they are called where the Hollywood sign and the posh neighbourhoods sit, there are other substantial towns such as Burbank, GTA V could have included a locale such as Bakersfield.

Interesting also that they say that the official gameplay doesn't even use the countryside much which is kind of disappointing, I don't know because I haven't got that far, I've just been messing around the map!
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Old 24-09-2013, 14:15
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The different cities and region names in San Andreas do give the illusion of size, but the scaling and density is quite dated.

You only have to look at the Vinewood sign - effectively the border between Los Santos and the open county.

San Andreas

Turned around, you were practically in the centre of Los Santos. Whereas in GTA V, there's quite a divide.

GTA V.
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Old 24-09-2013, 14:28
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Funnily enough I was thinking about this the other day. GTA V uses only one major location from San Andreas yet it's supposed to be the largest map ever in a GTA game. It probably is technically speaking but I'd agree it seems smaller somehow. I'm hoping we get to see the Vegas and Frisco parodies in some sort of DLC.
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Old 24-09-2013, 14:35
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The issue isn't size it's content.

You simply cannot argue that GTAV has a smaller map than SA as it quite clearly isn't true. However SA had more to offer in it's smaller size. Each of the 3 cities feels different, the desert feels different and the country between LS and SF feels different. V on the other hand is only really LS and countryside and lots of that seems to be vast expanses of nothing for the most part.

I too would like to see SF and LV added as DLC, although I doubt it will happen.
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Old 24-09-2013, 14:41
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I remember the third city in San Andreas being bleak
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Old 24-09-2013, 15:57
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To shut this down with actual facts:

San Andreas - 6km X 6km Grid
GTA V - 10km X 12.5km Grid

You guys still have Online to come next week for more stuff to happen, it's amazing how quick people are to complain about something when they haven't even seen the full product yet.
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Old 24-09-2013, 16:13
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You guys still have Online to come next week for more stuff to happen, it's amazing how quick people are to complain about something when they haven't even seen the full product yet.
Why is the map size getting bigger with the online?

I have to agree with the comments that the map feels smaller than San Andreas. I think the 3 cities made the map feel like a state which made it feel bigger, plus when GTASA was released the map was huge for the time. But now when we get GTA5 it has less cities which makes it feel a smaller scale and we have had games like Just Cause 2 which has a huge map. That wow factor of thinking this map is huge just isn't there for me with GTA5.

That's not a criticism or me saying the map is small, its just that it didn't quite deliver the wow factor the GTASA map did for me.
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Old 24-09-2013, 16:25
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Well it seems Rockstar can't win here, either they put too many cities in which means they all have to be smaller, and people would complain it's less detailed than Liberty City, or they can keep the detail level the same and just have one city and the south state woodlands and deserts, and people complain there's not enough cities.

As for Online, no it won't be extending the map but it will be opening up more of the map which is one of the complaints I've seen brought up a few times (Lack of Interiors).

edit: There's also the fact that people DON'T want to pay for DLC, yet seemingly want an entire city added to the game for free? Fact is, The Lost and Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony were DLC done right, yet they are amongst the worst selling DLC this generation, whilst stuff people complain about being ripped off for sells loads more, the jokes in the game about DLC that's a little stab at you, the gamers.
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Old 24-09-2013, 16:48
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Well it seems Rockstar can't win here, either they put too many cities in which means they all have to be smaller, and people would complain it's less detailed than Liberty City, or they can keep the detail level the same and just have one city and the south state woodlands and deserts, and people complain there's not enough cities.
Again not a complaint rather an observation of how a bigger map can actually feel smaller due to when it arrives and what it tries to pull off.

What Rockstar have pulled off on current generation hardware is amazing.

edit: There's also the fact that people DON'T want to pay for DLC, yet seemingly want an entire city added to the game for free? Fact is, The Lost and Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony were DLC done right, yet they are amongst the worst selling DLC this generation, whilst stuff people complain about being ripped off for sells loads more, the jokes in the game about DLC that's a little stab at you, the gamers.
I would have been happy to buy the GTA4 DLC but Rockstar didn't offer it to me as a Playstation owner. I did however pick up the Episodes from Liberty City disc. To me this is what DLC should be, a nice sizeable package of content at a realistic price.

Exclusivity is what spoilt the GTA4 DLC.

Rockstar with GTA and Red Dead have provided some of the best DLC I have experienced this generation. I would much rather more DLC like those packages than over priced map pack or selling extra weapons or vehicles. To me DLC should be more like the old PC expansion packs of the past and Rockstar have delivered on that IMHO. I will happily buy GTA5 DLC as long as its not just some crappy weapon or vehicle packs.
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Old 24-09-2013, 16:52
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It's big enough but I was agree it's more sparse than San Andreas map. I think GTA Vs around the perfect size, much bigger and you lose that element of familiarity that made games like Vice City so good, I don't want GTA to turn into Skyrim.
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Old 24-09-2013, 16:59
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I'm not complaining, but I am critically thinking. It doesn't mean the end of me playing and enjoying the game, but I am "reviewing" it. Certainly a really big map size could do with the "San Andreas" level of variety, but the environments they have provided are stunning.
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Old 24-09-2013, 17:02
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To shut this down with actual facts:

San Andreas - 6km X 6km Grid
GTA V - 10km X 12.5km Grid

You guys still have Online to come next week for more stuff to happen, it's amazing how quick people are to complain about something when they haven't even seen the full product yet.
That would mean the entire map of San Andreas would only be 36 square km, that is actually not a lot, about the size of a large town in real life, are you sure that it's that small?
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Old 24-09-2013, 18:49
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As for Online, no it won't be extending the map but it will be opening up more of the map which is one of the complaints I've seen brought up a few times (Lack of Interiors).

the jokes in the game about DLC that's a little stab at you, the gamers.
Myself and other had a feeling that interiors were been held back, which is good that we will be getting more yet shite that Rockstar thought single player didn't deserve more.

Please stop talking like you are a Rockstar employee with these "i know things you don't*, "that's a stab at you, the gamers". You're sounding childish and makes you looks like an arse kisser.

btw, you never answered my question about the Atomic Blimp from ages ago when I directly asked you if it was a similar stunt as what Treyarch pulled with the Nuketown 2025 map "pre order bonus". Is/was the Atomic Blimp exclusive to the people who pre order or will it be available to people who buy the game WITHOUT a pre order the day it comes out ?

The answer was, you didn't need to pre order and just like Black Ops 2, it was a way to generate more pre orders. The Blimp code was in the box for people who didn't pre order.

If you really have to defend Rockstar and be there DS "spokesperson" then you should have answered more than just the questions you wanted to.
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Old 24-09-2013, 18:58
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Well it seems Rockstar can't win here, either they put too many cities in which means they all have to be smaller, and people would complain it's less detailed than Liberty City, or they can keep the detail level the same and just have one city and the south state woodlands and deserts, and people complain there's not enough cities.

As for Online, no it won't be extending the map but it will be opening up more of the map which is one of the complaints I've seen brought up a few times (Lack of Interiors).

edit: There's also the fact that people DON'T want to pay for DLC, yet seemingly want an entire city added to the game for free? Fact is, The Lost and Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony were DLC done right, yet they are amongst the worst selling DLC this generation, whilst stuff people complain about being ripped off for sells loads more, the jokes in the game about DLC that's a little stab at you, the gamers.
Its crap that these interiors aren't in single player tbh.
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Old 24-09-2013, 19:04
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Someone else hit the nail on the head, they make it too big and the place feels empty and pointless. Too small and people will moan that previous games were bigger etc etc.

I think they have got the balance right, it feels just about right. My main concern are that people are quite correct that there isnt that much to do in the countryside / desert this time around, the majority of the games missions take place in the city so the countryside just feels a little bit bare to me, they needed some more hobbys or side missions out there. Even a RDR style hunting component would have been nice - i.e. more wildlife and stuff in the desert/mountains. Saying all that Los Santos is pretty amazingly detailed even more so than Liberty City. They could have had more storyline missions out in the countryside as well

As for San Fran / Las Vegas, im 100% sure these will be added as DLC similar to Lost and Damned / Gay Tony for GTA 4.

But its all nitpicking at the end of the day, i havent met anyone who said GTA 5 is a bad game, and i myself think its pretty fantastic. Is it better than GTA 4 / SA / Vice city? I find it hard to compare since i loved them all.
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Old 24-09-2013, 19:38
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Myself and other had a feeling that interiors were been held back, which is good that we will be getting more yet shite that Rockstar thought single player didn't deserve more.

Please stop talking like you are a Rockstar employee with these "i know things you don't*, "that's a stab at you, the gamers". You're sounding childish and makes you looks like an arse kisser.

btw, you never answered my question about the Atomic Blimp from ages ago when I directly asked you if it was a similar stunt as what Treyarch pulled with the Nuketown 2025 map "pre order bonus". Is/was the Atomic Blimp exclusive to the people who pre order or will it be available to people who buy the game WITHOUT a pre order the day it comes out ?

The answer was, you didn't need to pre order and just like Black Ops 2, it was a way to generate more pre orders. The Blimp code was in the box for people who didn't pre order.

If you really have to defend Rockstar and be there DS "spokesperson" then you should have answered more than just the questions you wanted to.
LOL! Say what's on your mind. Very good though.
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Old 24-09-2013, 19:42
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That's one thing State of Decay got right, every building had an interior and while some were a bit cut and paste, it was still an impressive feat.

It's hard to expect that I guess with a game the scale of GTA V, or is it?...when you take into account the budget and time they've had. If everything opens up in multiplayer that would indeed suck.
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Old 24-09-2013, 20:41
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Its crap that these interiors aren't in single player tbh.
Couldn't agree more. I assume the big Casino is going to be one of them? Has anyone noticed any more?

Hopefully Rockstar make them available for SP too otherwise it's a bit of a piss take really!
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Old 24-09-2013, 23:46
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GTA San Andreas felt too spread out to me, I gave up about halfway through. Having a PC that struggled with the size certainly didn't help though.
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Old 25-09-2013, 01:43
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GTAV done it right IMO a big ass city and a nice country to explore with tons of stuff everywhere

GTA SA had 3 small city's you cant deny that

People are provably thinking GTASA has 3 citys GTAV has 1 city therefore SA must be bigger
BULLSH!T

the fact the map is open from the start meaning people are free to roam the whole map right away probably feeds into there thoughts after a few hours playing they've seen the whole outline of the game/map whereas in every other GTA it was only one section of the map at a time
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Old 25-09-2013, 09:02
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then you should have answered more than just the questions you wanted to.
Then you should actually check back, I answered your question, I said the first batch of copies sold would include the blimp code, and from what you've said, hey, that actually happened. As for the other stuff you said, I'm only here to give people a heads up on what I can, I've explained my situation time and time again, hell, only recently in the past week to, if you guys still mistake me or accuse me of "pretending" to be Rockstar, then that's your own failings for not paying attention to what I say, or should that be selective attention?

As for other peoples comments, previous Rockstar DLC always had something extra fall back into Single Player modes for both RDR and MP3, so whilst Online is going to be a huge focus next week, expect stuff from those packs to fall into SP to, because the reality is, disc space was a major issue here, so expect kinda large patches for the game.
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Old 25-09-2013, 09:25
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Well it seems Rockstar can't win here, either they put too many cities in which means they all have to be smaller, and people would complain it's less detailed than Liberty City, or they can keep the detail level the same and just have one city and the south state woodlands and deserts, and people complain there's not enough cities.

As for Online, no it won't be extending the map but it will be opening up more of the map which is one of the complaints I've seen brought up a few times (Lack of Interiors).

edit: There's also the fact that people DON'T want to pay for DLC, yet seemingly want an entire city added to the game for free? Fact is, The Lost and Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony were DLC done right, yet they are amongst the worst selling DLC this generation, whilst stuff people complain about being ripped off for sells loads more, the jokes in the game about DLC that's a little stab at you, the gamers.
You can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time. Personally size wise SA was just about perfect, 3 well thoughtout cities, some country and some desert to explore, it didn't feel too small, but neither did it feel too big and each area had it's own vibe, adding to the illusion of size. Liberty from GTAIV on the other hand suffered from being too big, don't get me wrong it is a fantastic living, breathing city, but it's all far too similar and I really missed desert, country and beaches.

The GTAIV DLC was perfect and everyone I know with the game has it so I can't believe the sales were that low. Maybe you're only counting actual downloads and not people who bought the Episodes pack?
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Old 25-09-2013, 11:41
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Please stop talking like you are a Rockstar employee with these "i know things you don't*, "that's a stab at you, the gamers".
Have noticed this too, it's hilarious, the guy scours through all GTA related media releases and repackages them here as if he is an insider, hope the awe of the 3 or 4 people who fall for it is enough to satisfy that ego of his
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