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Old 27-09-2013, 14:51
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I have to say I feel desperately sorry for this multi-millionaire with an enormous sense of entitlement and zero qualifications. Of course he should set the issue of racism in football back aways by manufacturing an example in order to self serve his own bogus aspirations. Hey Sol, you could even get a qualification first and then look for a job ... you know, like the rest of the population does:

Asked what his long-term plans are, Campbell's mood darkens. "I want to start abroad," he says. "There are no opportunities for me here, not until attitudes change anyway. Everyone has to ask themselves why there are not more black managers in this country and why the likes of Brian Deane have to go abroad [to Sarpsborg 08 in Norway] to get a chance. I've spoken to other black players who want to coach and they feel the same, that attitudes here are archaic. I hope and pray the environment changes."
" I still wanted to do something with the England setup, and they said they were interested, but the interest went cold. Suddenly, Gary Neville pops up as assistant manager. It's obvious they want nice people who won't cause them any problems. I put out an olive branch and it got broken, but whatever, I'm ready to move on."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...anager-arsenal
Neville, who holds UEFA A and B Coaching Licences
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Neville

Fwiw, the last I heard of Sol's aspirations he was considering options from Hollywood. Of course you were Sol, they probably let you down because you are black.
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Old 27-09-2013, 14:55
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Sol Campbell doesn't get managers jobs presumably because he's a massive risk going in as an unknown. Like all managers, of all backgrounds, are. I might be naive but I really don't think it's anything sinister behind him not being given a manager's job.
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Old 27-09-2013, 14:58
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The article doesn't suggest he has applied for any jobs.
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Old 27-09-2013, 15:01
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Yep, just read it in full. Not completed coaching badges and not applied for any managerial jobs.

No surprise he hasn't got anything substantial.
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Old 27-09-2013, 16:55
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Yep, just read it in full. Not completed coaching badges and not applied for any managerial jobs.

No surprise he hasn't got anything substantial.
He's been waiting for the right job to come along like england assistant manager
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Old 27-09-2013, 17:09
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Colour has nothing to do with it.

He's talking bollocks.
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Old 27-09-2013, 17:20
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I read this earlier, and just knew it would get twisted in order to show yet another black person playing the race card yet again. I'm not going to go down the route of addressing the race issue on here again, because too many people just don't (or refuse to) get it, but I really can't understand why his comments about the England setup have been included, and without their correct context.

Campbell may be long gone by then, however, with his anger also directed at the very top of the domestic game.

"I gave my heart and soul for the national team but the FA were not there for me when I had problems," he says with only a vague reference to what those problems were. "They tried to help me afterwards but they were never proactive. Even after that, I still wanted to do something with the England setup, and they said they were interested, but the interest went cold. Suddenly, Gary Neville pops up as assistant manager. It's obvious they want nice people who won't cause them any problems. I put out an olive branch and it got broken, but whatever, I'm ready to move on."
I can't see a single reference to race here, whether explicit or implicit. him having a personal issue with the FA doesn't automatically equate to him accusing them of racism.
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Old 27-09-2013, 17:37
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As the OP says, Campbell: "There are no opportunities for me here, not until attitudes change anyway." But there are if you are Gary Neville.
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Old 27-09-2013, 17:42
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a widely-held belief (minus the Neville bit which he clearly didn't say) amongst most black people within the game, and nothing that hasn't been said already, or isn't being addressed by the PFA and football authorities. his gripes with the FA, however, are clearly personal, and there's not the slightest suggestion within those comments that they ignored him because he was black.

It's obvious they want nice people who won't cause them any problems
not

It's obvious they want white people who won't cause them any problems
unless you're suggesting he thinks they're the same thing?
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:14
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Why is starting off abroad such a bad thing anyway??

More people, players and coaches should try this, as it widens their knowledge base I would say.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:57
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It's a pretty defeatist attitude and i doubt interested clubs will be inspired by it.
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Old 27-09-2013, 20:11
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Why is starting off abroad such a bad thing anyway??

More people, players and coaches should try this, as it widens their knowledge base I would say.
Indeed. I also think there's an unwillingness with some of these big-name ex-players to take a job lower down the football pyramid in this country too, as if they feel it's beneath them. I'm sure if Campbell was serious about it and actually earned all of his coaching qualifications he would find a club that would take a punt on him.
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Old 27-09-2013, 20:40
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Indeed. I also think there's an unwillingness with some of these big-name ex-players to take a job lower down the football pyramid in this country too, as if they feel it's beneath them. I'm sure if Campbell was serious about it and actually earned all of his coaching qualifications he would find a club that would take a punt on him.
Whether going abroad is a good idea or not really is missing the point by quite a margin though is it not?

Doing it because you want to do it to broaden your horizons is one thing, doing it because you have to because you cant get work in this country is quite another*

*I hasten to add im not saying Campbell has any entitlement to a job in this country or that his complaints hold water, im just saying that its a different issue.
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Old 27-09-2013, 20:50
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Indeed. I also think there's an unwillingness with some of these big-name ex-players to take a job lower down the football pyramid in this country too, as if they feel it's beneath them. I'm sure if Campbell was serious about it and actually earned all of his coaching qualifications he would find a club that would take a punt on him.
on what evidence? in that same article, he says Brian Deane is managing Sarpsborg 08, a team I've honestly never heard of. that's about as low down the pyramid as you can get.

it's a lazy argument, as is the assumption Campbell isn't "serious about it", especially as the majority of the article concerns him coaching youth players, and ends with implying he's working towards his qualifications.
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Old 27-09-2013, 21:13
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on what evidence? in that same article, he says Brian Deane is managing Sarpsborg 08, a team I've honestly never heard of. that's about as low down the pyramid as you can get.

it's a lazy argument, as is the assumption Campbell isn't "serious about it", especially as the majority of the article concerns him coaching youth players, and ends with implying he's working towards his qualifications.
Like I said in my post, it is my thoughts. I'm not stating it as a fact. My impression is based upon the lack of high profile players thesedays that actually go into managing teams lower than Championship level. Yes, there could be other reasons for that but i suspect the opportunities would be there if they themselves were that interested.

I didn't say Campbell wasn't serious about it. I said IF he is. Big difference there.
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Old 27-09-2013, 21:25
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If it's because of race how does he explain Jean Tigana, Paul Ince or Chris Hughton?
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Old 28-09-2013, 01:08
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Indeed. I also think there's an unwillingness with some of these big-name ex-players to take a job lower down the football pyramid in this country too, as if they feel it's beneath them. I'm sure if Campbell was serious about it and actually earned all of his coaching qualifications he would find a club that would take a punt on him.


Frank Sinclair, ex Chelsea, is managing Colwyn Bay. He was happy to start at the bottom and work his way up.
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Old 28-09-2013, 07:41
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on what evidence? in that same article, he says Brian Deane is managing Sarpsborg 08, a team I've honestly never heard of. that's about as low down the pyramid as you can get.

it's a lazy argument, as is the assumption Campbell isn't "serious about it", especially as the majority of the article concerns him coaching youth players, and ends with implying he's working towards his qualifications.
Do you even know what the Pyramid is?
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Old 28-09-2013, 08:06
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Frank Sinclair, ex Chelsea, is managing Colwyn Bay. He was happy to start at the bottom and work his way up.
Frank always seems like a humble guy to me, and it's the perfect example of someone who is prepared to try and work his way up from a lower level. I think there are opportunities around, it's just a question of whether they're willing to do that or not.
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Old 28-09-2013, 09:14
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Sol Campbell is a dick. End of story.
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Old 28-09-2013, 10:05
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If it's because of race how does he explain Jean Tigana, Paul Ince or Chris Hughton?
the fact that you can name a handful doesn't mean there isn't an issue

Do you even know what the Pyramid is?
I'm fully aware of what the pyramid is, thanks for asking.
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Old 28-09-2013, 11:07
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in that same article, he says Brian Deane is managing Sarpsborg 08, a team I've honestly never heard of. that's about as low down the pyramid as you can get.
I just looked them up as it's a club I wasn't familiar with either. They're in Norway's top professional league though, so it's not that bad a job really considering it's his first managerial position.
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Old 28-09-2013, 11:16
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Sol Campbell is a dick. End of story.
That probably has more to due with his lack of opportunity.
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Old 28-09-2013, 11:53
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I'm sure Campbell's sullen, insular disposition has more to do with this lack of opportunity than the colour of his skin.
Ince despite choosing to start out at Swindon was also wanted at the time by much bigger clubs such as Birmingham City, even with no managerial experience whatsoever.
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Old 28-09-2013, 12:45
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If it's because of race how does he explain Jean Tigana, Paul Ince or Chris Hughton?
Tigana was given his PL job 13 years ago, Ince lasted 6 months in the PL in 2008.

Id say you have confirmed that there is an issue there rather than rebuffed it.
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