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Old 27-09-2013, 18:24
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Hi everybody,

Now I am the most un technic there is

I'm due to get a new tv very soon which has 2 x HDMI ports and 1 opticial slot

I also am getting a sound bar.

My question is that if I put my ps3 and sky hd into HDMI ports 1 and 2, and my plug my sound bar via opticial cable will I get sound from the sound bar???

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Old 27-09-2013, 19:03
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I'm a little confused but I'll stick my oar in anyway as I looked at getting a soundbar recently. You need to find a way of getting an audio signal from all your sources into your sound bar. If you run an optical cable from your tv to your soundbar the TV is probably the output but it depends on your TV make whether it will pass through the full HD sound from your PS3/Sky HD. I tried passing audio through with my TV and I only got basic Stereo.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:10
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This old thread of mine might help.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...690&highlight=
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:11
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Thanks mustabuster.

I have since looked up and found that the tv as an ARC source in HDMI port 2 so I could connect via that.

But if i have sky in HDMI 1 and the sound bar in HDMI 2, How would I connect the ps3???
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:17
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Does your PS3 or sky box have an HDMI In? You could potentially daisy chain your boxes up. I'm sure PS3 has an optical out. Since you're passing your Sky HD box into the TV and audio out again via ARC to the sound bar that leaves the optical input free. It would mean a bit of faff switching inputs though.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:33
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I tried passing audio through with my TV and I only got basic Stereo.
But as a sound bar is only stereo, why would that matter?.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:35
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Thanks mustabuster.

I have since looked up and found that the tv as an ARC source in HDMI port 2 so I could connect via that.

But if i have sky in HDMI 1 and the sound bar in HDMI 2, How would I connect the ps3???
Use the optical out to connect the soundbar to the TV. It will output audio from whatever source you are watching on the telly.

ARC is most useful if you have an AV amp with all your source devices connected to that and a single HDMI to the TV. It saves having to run another cable back from the TV to get audio out of the TV tuner.

In your situation it offers no real advantage and as you have discovered only an inconvenience as it prevents you connecting everything up easily.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:40
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But as a sound bar is only stereo, why would that matter?.
I thought most sound bars can take a multi-channel source and create some sort of pseudo surround sound effect using multiple speakers.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:42
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I thought most sound bars can take a multi-channel source and create some sort of pseudo surround sound effect using multiple speakers.
No, a sound bar is just two speakers under the TV, and perhaps a sub.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:56
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Thanks for everybody's input!.

Not good when it comes to technology!!..

So the best solution??..

Sky to HDMI 1
PS3 to HDMI 2 ARC
Soundbar to tv via opticial..
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Old 27-09-2013, 22:03
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No, a sound bar is just two speakers under the TV, and perhaps a sub.
It depends on the sound bar. My Yamaha contains multiple speakers and creates surround sound by bouncing sound off the walls, it's pretty effective as in you can have helicopters buzzing around your head though not as good as a full surround system.

It also functions like an amp in having multiple HDMI inputs and is connected just like an amp.
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Old 27-09-2013, 22:04
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Thanks for everybody's input!.

Not good when it comes to technology!!..

So the best solution??..

Sky to HDMI 1
PS3 to HDMI 2 ARC
Soundbar to tv via opticial..
What is the make and model of your sound bar?
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Old 28-09-2013, 12:18
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It's a Philips HTL3120/12 sound bar!!
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Old 28-09-2013, 15:40
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It's a Philips HTL3120/12 sound bar!!
Based upon a quick look at the spec (not the manual) I would say the following.

HDMI out (with ARC) to TV. If your TV has ARC this will deal with the TV sound.

Sky and PS3 to the HDMI inputs.

Sky digital/optical to digital/optical in. This is assuming the Sky+HD doesn't have 5.1 audio on the HDMI (mine doesn't but I'm not sure of the latest ones) and also assumes that like my soundbar you can assign the optical in to match the HDMI.

Then you should be able to select the TV input for Sky, PS3 or TV using the soundbar remote. The control for the sound should come from the TV remote providing both soundbar and TV support CEC or named equivalent by setting up the TV for this.
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Old 30-09-2013, 04:57
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Sound bars are absolute trash. Get an amp and some speakers. Seriously.
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Old 30-09-2013, 08:34
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Sound bars are absolute trash. Get an amp and some speakers. Seriously.
What a completely pointless post and one that is also incorrect, not all "sound bars are absolute trash". If you are going to make a provocative post then at least learn what you are talking about.

With everything else being equal then a good amp and speakers will beat any sound bar but that doesn't mean sound bars can't be decent and almost all of them will improve the sound of a panel TV immensely. When deciding what to get you have to take many things into account such as convenience and room layout, there is no absolute right and wrong in this.
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Old 30-09-2013, 09:44
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Based upon a quick look at the spec (not the manual) I would say the following.

HDMI out (with ARC) to TV. If your TV has ARC this will deal with the TV sound.

Sky and PS3 to the HDMI inputs.

Sky digital/optical to digital/optical in. This is assuming the Sky+HD doesn't have 5.1 audio on the HDMI (mine doesn't but I'm not sure of the latest ones) and also assumes that like my soundbar you can assign the optical in to match the HDMI.

Then you should be able to select the TV input for Sky, PS3 or TV using the soundbar remote. The control for the sound should come from the TV remote providing both soundbar and TV support CEC or named equivalent by setting up the TV for this.
Manual is here

http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/d...ctn=HTL3120/12

Had a quick scan and can't see any reference to being able to watch pictures via HDMI and listen to audio via Optical or coax digital.

Though it also doesn't say if the unit routes the last selected HDMI input through to the output when you select one of the other audio only inputs. If it does then the OP can achieve what you suggest by selecting the HDMI the Sky box is on then select the digital audio input.

If that works he should get the picture passed through to the telly and surround sound from the Sky box over optical or coaxial digital.

I'm fairly certain that the newest Sky HD boxes do surround over HDMI now so if Matthartlane has one of those that does simplify things somewhat. If not and the soundbar kills the HDMI feed-through when an audio only input is selected then he will have to either live with stereo only or connect the Sky box to the TV for pictures and an optical/coaxial connection for sound.
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Old 30-09-2013, 11:57
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What a completely pointless post and one that is also incorrect, not all "sound bars are absolute trash". If you are going to make a provocative post then at least learn what you are talking about.

With everything else being equal then a good amp and speakers will beat any sound bar but that doesn't mean sound bars can't be decent and almost all of them will improve the sound of a panel TV immensely. When deciding what to get you have to take many things into account such as convenience and room layout, there is no absolute right and wrong in this.
No. There is. They are trash. They may improve the sound of an el-cheapo TV,, but at the end of the day, you still get very little stereo separation, and they are usually woefully limited. A proper discreet amp and speakers will cost about the same and be infinitely better. Less of the insults too.
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Old 30-09-2013, 13:47
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No. There is. They are trash. They may improve the sound of an el-cheapo TV,, but at the end of the day, you still get very little stereo separation, and they are usually woefully limited.
They will GREATLY improve the sound quality of ANY modern TV - not just cheapo crap ones, even the top brands have crap sound (no space for speakers in modern TV's).

The stereo separation on them is sufficient, and MUCH better than having the speakers too far apart.


A proper discreet amp and speakers will cost about the same and be infinitely better. Less of the insults too.
Perhaps you should try being less insulting yourself then?, soundbars aren't 'trash' as you suggest, and the sound quality of a decent one is similar to a surround sound system, less the surround of course (which doesn't have anything to do with 'quality' anyway).
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Old 30-09-2013, 15:55
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They will GREATLY improve the sound quality of ANY modern TV - not just cheapo crap ones, even the top brands have crap sound (no space for speakers in modern TV's).

The stereo separation on them is sufficient, and MUCH better than having the speakers too far apart.



Perhaps you should try being less insulting yourself then?, soundbars aren't 'trash' as you suggest, and the sound quality of a decent one is similar to a surround sound system, less the surround of course (which doesn't have anything to do with 'quality' anyway).
You are the last person I'll take a lecture from.

I stand by my opinion. Soundbars suck. They are usually overpriced as well. Dreadful things. Anything less than a decent stereo system is pretty much a waste of money.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:04
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Thanks to everybody who has give me info on this subject. Very much appreciated!

I have now managed to find a Panasonic TV that has 3 HDMI ports, 1 which is ARC compatible so that makes is very very easy to connect now!..

Many thanks

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Old 01-10-2013, 11:23
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hi , i have both setups ,,, so hopefully can offer an unbiased 2cents worth.

my lounge has a 58inch samsung series 6 plasma , with the matching samsung tall boy surround system , ,,, not too sure of the model numbers , but they both have a kind of empty circle which you hover your hand over to switch on/off, ,,then a ps3 connected through hdmi to the tv , and an optical cable from the ps3 to the surround ,,,,, anyhow it truly sounds amazing , crystal pin sharp yadda yadda etc.

my small bedroom is a different story ,,,, next to my bed is an alcove with shelves , i have a 22inch sandstrom (picture good, abysmal tinny sound) , the next shelf down houses a bush soundbar , then below that a 2nd ps3 , and the soundbars woofer.

ok , so whilst the soundbar can only dream of matching the sonic's of the lounge ,,,,,, in a small bedroom alcove it more than punches above it's weight , infinite better than the tv speakers , with plenty of boom deceiving of its 50 price tag.


my overall point is this ,,,,, to describe soundbars as 'crap' is extremely ,,, no, woefully shortsighted , ,,,, .

1st not everybody's budget can stretch to the uber gold plated harmonkarmarantzbang high end makes you a cup of tea and hoovers your lounge whilst watching setup , and shouldn't be berated or belittled on their purchasing choice . ,,,, moneys tight for most , and sites like this should be encouraging each other to spend wise to the best possible constraints of their budget.

2nd ,, '' space'' ,,, not everybody can physically fit a full surround setup in their allocated entertainment area.


if your not trying to fill st pauls cathedral and/or have a limited wallet , soundbars can offer a reasonable quality experience , and even the cheapest ones sound marginally better than most expensive flatscreen tv speakers .
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:40
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if your not trying to fill st pauls cathedral and/or have a limited wallet , soundbars can offer a reasonable quality experience , and even the cheapest ones sound marginally better than most expensive flatscreen tv speakers .
Even a pair of PC speakers plugged in the headphone socket greatly improves the sound from modern TV's, there simply isn't room for speakers inside the sets.

If you have a headphone sockets it's well worth trying, on the grounds that you may well have a pair of PC speakers 'knocking around', so it's zero cost.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:11
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m8 , my psvita speakers are better than my sandstrom ,,,almost ,,

seriously pitiful lol ,,,,,,, but blu ray images are superb for the pricepoint
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Old 01-10-2013, 21:59
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I walked into my local EE mobile phone store earlier today to enquire about 4G coverage, and the advertising screen at the back was a plasma TV with a sound bar on top of it, and I thought it looked very cool indeed!
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