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Old 29-09-2013, 16:04
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What is the best network in London for calls and fast Internet speeds? Can you tell what network will be the best for 4G when looking at the auctions and seeing what the networks bought?

I've tried EE and people who call me are constantly going to voicemail, when it does work they can barely hear me and cuts off quickly.. I thought this was the biggest network in the UK?

I'm considering 3 but how will their 4g speed/coverage compare with the others? Won't it get slower in time due to them offering it for free?

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Old 29-09-2013, 16:13
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Good question if I was a betting men. I would say that EE will likely have the fastest speeds due to there huge chunks of 1800MHz and 2600MHz but that Vodafone/O2 will have the superior indoor coverage because they have 800MHz as there primary spectrum. Though eventually EE and Three will start using 800MHz as well just not as there primary spectrum. Three should have near identical coverage as EE but it will take an extra year to rollout it fully out. Yes Three is likely to get congested more quickly as they will have the most 4G customers it will be interesting to see the speeds they offer. But as I have said in past 4G is about indoor coverage more than anything else at this stage.

BTW yes by market share EE is the biggest network in the UK but not sure how long they will hold on to that for with the best press and problems they having at the moment.
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Old 29-09-2013, 16:21
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Hello,

What is the best network in London for calls and fast Internet speeds? Can you tell what network will be the best for 4G when looking at the auctions and seeing what the network bought?

I've tried EE and people who call me are constantly going to voicemail, when it does work they can barely hear me and cuts off quickly.. I thought this was the biggest network in the UK?

I'm considering 3 but how will their 4g speed/coverage compare with the others? Won't it get slower in time due to them offering it for free?

Cheers
EE is best in London, have a look at the latest root metrics. I am with 3 and struggle to get a signal inside in central London.
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Old 29-09-2013, 16:21
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What is the best network in London for calls and fast Internet speeds?
Two different questions there, as 4G is great for internet, but doesn't do voice. If the 3G signal is poor then you could have crap calls but lots good 4G internet. (Some handsets you can force switch to 2G which might work, 4G capable iPhones can't sadly).

Get a PrePay SIM from each of the networks and try their calls/texts.
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Old 29-09-2013, 16:24
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Thanks guys I heard three shares ee's masts is that correct?
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Old 29-09-2013, 16:28
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Two different questions there, as 4G is great for internet, but doesn't do voice. If the 3G signal is poor then you could have crap calls but lots good 4G internet. (Some handsets you can force switch to 2G which might work, 4G capable iPhones can't sadly).

Get a PrePay SIM from each of the networks and try their calls/texts.
I hadn't considered that when I posted stupid of me hopefully VoLTE rolls out mid of next year like it meant to.

Thanks guys I heard three shares ee's masts is that correct?
They both share with each other. Three have access to nearly all EE masts only ones they don't is the non-upgraded orange masts which they will have access to after they are upgraded. I can't imagine there is a lot of non-upgraded masts left in London now.
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Old 29-09-2013, 16:31
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EE is best in London, have a look at the latest root metrics. I am with 3 and struggle to get a signal inside in central London.
So why am I and everyone I know keep getting the same problems on EE? Wasn't it on watch dog too

They both share with each other. Three have access to nearly all EE masts only ones they don't is the non-upgraded orange masts which they will have access to after they are upgraded. I can't imagine there is a lot of non-upgraded masts left in London now.
So if EE provides the best coverage will 3 have the exact same service as EE without the high prices or doesn't it work like that?
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Old 29-09-2013, 16:34
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So if EE provides the best coverage will 3 have the exact same service as EE without the high prices or doesn't it work like that?
In theory on 3G at least after all masts are upgraded there should be no difference in coverage between the two networks. The same in theory should be true of 4G as well. EE will just have a 2G network and faster speeds on 4G. At first it was assumed that Three would have a slow 4G rollout but with them saying 98% within two years it appears that won't be the case. EE is likely to get new technologies first for example LTE-Advanced and VoLTE. But in terms of coverage I can't see a reason why it would be any different.
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Old 29-09-2013, 18:09
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So why am I and everyone I know keep getting the same problems on EE? Wasn't it on watch dog too



So if EE provides the best coverage will 3 have the exact same service as EE without the high prices or doesn't it work like that?
that isn't exactly how it works.

EE & Three share each others masts so coverage should almost be identical but the backhaul/backbone is separate, so in the same place you stand you will likely get the same coverage (bars on your phone) but speeds you get can be very different.

For example when me on Three and my friend on T-Mobile (EE) stand in the same place, he gets around 14Mbps where as I usually get around 27Mbps.

To answer your first question, as I have both an O2 and Three phone, Three can be quite poor in some indoor areas but outdoor is far superior, this will likely become less of a problem in 2014 when Three add hundreds of new masts, it'll also become less of a problem if you have a 4G ready phone as it'll provide far superior indoor and wide coverage too.

I have noticed O2 can work quite well in homes with thick walls and underground homes, but noticed their speeds are terrible and their 3G can drop to 2G quite regular at least in my area of London.

EE has been on watchdog quite a lot lately in the last few months and friends have ended contracts with them due to calls dropping and going to voicemail so this is something to consider, Vodafone was also on watchdog recently for the same issue.

Overall I would advise to stay away from O2 as their track record is nothing to go by and they have the least amount of overall spectrum. Three is a very good contender as they are excellent value for money and have provided me a decent service over the last 8 years.
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Old 29-09-2013, 18:21
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that isn't exactly how it works.

EE & Three share each others masts so coverage should almost be identical but the backhaul/backbone is separate, so in the same place you stand you will likely get the same coverage (bars on your phone) but speeds you get can be very different.

For example when me on Three and my friend on T-Mobile (EE) stand in the same place, he gets around 14Mbps where as I usually get around 27Mbps.
Your right I should of pointed out the coverage will be near identical the quality of the service will be different. In fairness it's not the backhaul that is different it is the cores.
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Old 29-09-2013, 18:27
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Your right I should of pointed out the coverage will be near identical the quality of the service will be different. In fairness it's not the backhaul that is different it is the cores.
thanks for pointing that out
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Old 29-09-2013, 19:49
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Thanks for the great explaination. I just tried 3 briefly around my area and its 5 bars
Do you think Three service will decrease due to them being the only network to offer free 4g and unlimited data plan? I'm really thinking of doing a contract with them..
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Old 29-09-2013, 20:06
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It looks like a BIG NO for EE....

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...php?p=68743718

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006...l-reception-4g

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00z...res/ee-network
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Old 29-09-2013, 20:10
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I have to say, for calls and 4G I'll give Vodafone 10/10. Only ever had one problem with calls getting to me (and that was caused by a local mast problem and was rectified quickly after I reported it).

3G in central London however is a different story, so it really depends on your requirements.
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Old 29-09-2013, 20:10
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Thanks for the great explaination. I just tried 3 briefly around my area and its 5 bars
Do you think Three service will decrease due to them being the only network to offer free 4g and unlimited data plan? I'm really thinking of doing a contract with them..
There 3G one certainly won't as 4G should increase capacity. If they can offer the same 4G experience as other networks that is not yet known.
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Old 29-09-2013, 20:33
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Thanks for the great explaination. I just tried 3 briefly around my area and its 5 bars
Do you think Three service will decrease due to them being the only network to offer free 4g and unlimited data plan? I'm really thinking of doing a contract with them..
in honestly I don't think it will decrease.

Firstly around 1.5 million of Three's 10 million customers already have a 4G ready handset so will automatically be bumped up relieving some pressure on their 3G network.

Also before we know it we'll have the next set of frequencies becoming active so will further improve the service.

As you said you have full service with Three, its worth testing it in areas you visit for bandwidth and coverage for about a month or so before entering any long contracts.

Just make sure if you do go for a contract with Three, try to go for a 4G ready handset if you can, it'll be worth it.
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Old 29-09-2013, 21:14
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in honestly I don't think it will decrease.

Firstly around 1.5 million of Three's 10 million customers already have a 4G ready handset so will automatically be bumped up relieving some pressure on their 3G network.

Also before we know it we'll have the next set of frequencies becoming active so will further improve the service.

As you said you have full service with Three, its worth testing it in areas you visit for bandwidth and coverage for about a month or so before entering any long contracts.

Just make sure if you do go for a contract with Three, try to go for a 4G ready handset if you can, it'll be worth it.
I completely agree with this if you can afford 23-9 a month I would get the Xperia SP brilliant mid range 4G device.
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Old 30-09-2013, 12:12
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I was going to do a sim only plan (one plan 18) and buy a phone isn't that the cheapest solution these days?

Cheers guys do you think 3 will drive all the other networks to make unlimited data plans or cheaper/free 4G?
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Old 30-09-2013, 12:26
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when you guys say ''EE''

Are you talking about EE 4G or orange and tmobile?
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Old 30-09-2013, 13:57
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when you guys say ''EE''

Are you talking about EE 4G or orange and tmobile?
Mostly im talking about EE3G (t mobile, orange) but a lot of the issues customers are facing with EE are a mix of both
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Old 30-09-2013, 14:40
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I reckon Vodafone may be the way to go if you are just in london and willing to pay for 4G.

They have the largest amount of spectrum of any network. The 2600 will give them lots of data capacity in time. Their in-building coverage is already great due to 2G/3G on 900MHz.
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Old 30-09-2013, 14:49
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I reckon Vodafone may be the way to go if you are just in london and willing to pay for 4G.

They have the largest amount of spectrum of any network. The 2600 will give them lots of data capacity in time. Their in-building coverage is already great due to 2G/3G on 900MHz.
No idea what you smoking but Vodafone do not have anywhere near the most spectrum. In total EE has 210MHz of spectrum or 2x105MHz. Vodafone have around 140MHz of spectrum. Three has around 70MHz and O2 has around 86MHz. Vodafone and O2 have the most low range spectrum I wouldn't argue with that but certainly not the most spectrum of anyone.
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Old 30-09-2013, 15:00
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I reckon Vodafone may be the way to go if you are just in london and willing to pay for 4G.

They have the largest amount of spectrum of any network. The 2600 will give them lots of data capacity in time. Their in-building coverage is already great due to 2G/3G on 900MHz.
Spectrum means nothing if it's not backed up with local cell towers. They have always had a lot of spectrum but have been the worst network in the Root Metrics reports, huge numbers of dropped calls and shower data performance than others.
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Old 30-09-2013, 15:20
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Spectrum means nothing if it's not backed up with local cell towers. They have always had a lot of spectrum but have been the worst network in the Root Metrics reports, huge numbers of dropped calls and shower data performance than others.
Agreed for years both they and Three had the most 2100MHz but it was never very good except in cities. Vodafone are in a brilliant position at the moment while rolling out 4G to update there hardware and hope they do honestly.
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Old 30-09-2013, 16:46
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Lets just hope voda make more of an effort on 4g than their pathetic attempt at 3g.
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