[tdenson]

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Originally Posted by jaffboy151

I agree with some posters here, the lightening charger feels weak and never feels properly seated in the device, its ridiculous on an ipad too as it feels like its going to snap off, one good thing about it is the 2 way insert which is where it does win over the micro usb, that said apple should adapt or risk a ban from the EU unless they include a free adaptor with all European phones

Personally I much prefer the lightning connector to micro USB (because of its bidirectional insertion capability, and also less insertion force needed). The fact that it "feels" weak surely is irrelevant, I haven't actually seen any press about it breaking - and I'm sure we would know about it as anything negative that can be found about Apple gets a press field day.

[/quote] the latest addition to iso7 disabling many non apple charging cables is another arrogant move and will annoy many apple customers, this would not be an issue if apple essential accessories were not so hideously overpriced[/quote]

This is not true - yet another example of the anti Apple brigade pouncing on something negative. Yes, it puts up a message but IT DOES NOT stop devices charging, well at least it certainly doesn't mine.
This is a storm in a teacup - of course you pay through the nose if you buy a cable from the original manufacturer, that's true of all manufacturers.

[wakey]

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Originally Posted by jaffboy151

No anti apple rhetoric from me, I've had there products for many years.. it's just apple are acting a bit dictorial on this front, as many companies in a dominate position do and end up alienating there userbase, plus some people seem to be confusing cables and chargers here, none apple chargers have always struggled to work as have some cheap cables been unable to carry data and only charge, but this is the 1st time I've knowing seen apple deliberately cripple a accessory completely, and I agree it has nothing to do with safety it is just to do with gaining some control over the accessory market, what next? Encoded magnetic lock mechanisms for iPads which only the official £40 apple cases will have, meaning if the £10 ones off amazon are used it will result with iPads being prevented from sleeping and going flat,
This is the sort of things they seem to be prepared to do at the moment..
My view is if they truly want to recover there market share, stop fudging around with silly ideas, give us an iPhone to truly rival the likes of the galaxy S4, an iPad mini with a decent screen and a truly isperational new ISO instead of the android/windows rip off which 7 is..

No-one has yet been able to explain if its all about only allowing the expensive Apple cables to work why many cheap ones still work.

And I suppose Raspbery Pi are also doing that too because not all my mini-usb cables will power on that device correctly. Oh and Android too as some of the cables won't charge my android phone (but work fine on my kindle)

If a cable doesn't meet certain specifications what is wrong with it not working. Its not good for the device and its also a safety issue.

And again just to be clear cheap cables DO work if they are of a decent quality. Its just the cheap badly made ones which fail

[Dan Sette]

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Originally Posted by mpk81

That's not true, it's a euromyth!
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/...ntent-rules-2/

You make my point for me. It isn't a myth. I was going to quote the Mail - but that just shoots a debate in the foot - so I'll quote the Telegraph instead.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...nce-Cable.html

The law isn't a myth - it exists - but was changed to allow the UK to have an exception (per your link)

Which was my point, the rules are made - someone powerful complains - the rules get "modified" **whispers watered down**

So yes, as it stands there is an agreement to use micro USB - it may become law - but watch it get modified to there has to be a means of charging by USB - i.e an adaptor will be allowed.

God forbid that we should have to pay even more for products because they have to have a special version for Europe

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Dan Sette

You make my point for me. It isn't a myth. I was going to quote the Mail - but that just shoots a debate in the foot - so I'll quote the Telegraph instead.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...nce-Cable.html

The law isn't a myth - it exists - but was changed to allow the UK to have an exception (per your link)

Which was my point, the rules are made - someone powerful complains - the rules get "modified" **whispers watered down**

So yes, as it stands there is an agreement to use micro USB - it may become law - but watch it get modified to there has to be a means of charging by USB - i.e an adaptor will be allowed.

God forbid that we should have to pay even more for products because they have to have a special version for Europe

Google are currently negotiating a settlement with the EU regarding their privacy breaches. Happens all the time.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by tdenson

Personally I much prefer the lightning connector to micro USB (because of its bidirectional insertion capability, and also less insertion force needed). The fact that it "feels" weak surely is irrelevant, I haven't actually seen any press about it breaking - and I'm sure we would know about it as anything negative that can be found about Apple gets a press field day.

Oh now stop please.

This nonsense from you lot about anything negative about apple etc is tiresome and bollocks now. Apple does NOT gain the attention it used to years ago. Most people now are not interested.

How is it feeling weak irrelevant? Because you say so?

I've never seen any press about micro usb breaking. What does that say?

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This is not true - yet another example of the anti Apple brigade pouncing on something negative. Yes, it puts up a message but IT DOES NOT stop devices charging, well at least it certainly doesn't mine.
This is a storm in a teacup - of course you pay through the nose if you buy a cable from the original manufacturer, that's true of all manufacturers.

Here we go again! Anti apple....You need help!!

It's not a storm in a teacup at all. Who are apple to say i can't use a cable i bought because they say so? The message should not come up period.

I can buy an official samsung cable for between £3.99 and £5.99. How much do apple charge for the same thing elsewhere? £15 for the 30 pin or £15 for the lightning cable.

So it's not true of all manufacturers.

[jaffboy151]

Dudes there is no anti apple agenda here, the facts are simple.. my usb cable worked prior to installing iso 7 and after it no longer did, it still works on my partners device running iso 6.4 so apple have deliberately disabled it..
which is a shame as it was a nifty 3 way usb cable with old style apple output, new & micro usb.. made my kitchen top a much more tidy place, cheers apple!

[My name's Scott]

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Originally Posted by jaffboy151

Dudes there is no anti apple agenda here, the facts are simple.. my usb cable worked prior to installing iso 7 and after it no longer did, it still works on my partners device running iso 6.4 so apple have deliberately disabled it..
which is a shame as it was a nifty 3 way usb cable with old style apple output, new & micro usb.. made my kitchen top a much more tidy place, cheers apple!

I bet you're still going to continue to lick Apple's boot though aren't you?

[The Lord Lucan]

See a load of tosh here.

Non apple cables will charge but just not at the higher rate. We've seen what happens with aftermarket cheap crap. Other brands are Apple approved so it's not like it's buy ONLY Apple cables or chargers.

First person I've seen saying the lightning port / spade is rubbish/flimsy/blah etc
Really? It beats the USB connectors I've used on other phones which destroy themselves and much like the laptops will not be damaged if pulled on as it will disengage unlike USB which usually stays in bending the spade or the port itself. Which over a 24 month contract with only a 12 month warranty on many phones cannot be good. Only good thing is USB cables are dirt cheap, however ports are not..

Most manufactures will not repair under warranty if a cheap cable damages a USB port.. How they would prove that i have no clue but I have heard via retail outlets that it has happened (HTC/Samsung.)

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

See a load of tosh here.

Non apple cables will charge but just not at the higher rate. We've seen what happens with aftermarket cheap crap. Other brands are Apple approved so it's not like it's buy ONLY Apple cables or chargers.

First person I've seen saying the lightning port / spade is rubbish/flimsy/blah etc

Is it? Ive seen loads of complaints about it.

A quick google shows this:-

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=li...m=122&ie=UTF-8

Oh, and even on apples own site where you buy the cable!

http://store.apple.com/us/reviews/MD...g-to-usb-cable

Most of the reviews are poor! 2 stars out of 740 reviews! Still going to say you haven't seen anyone complain about it now?

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Really? It beats the USB connectors I've used on other phones which destroy themselves and much like the laptops will not be damaged if pulled on as it will disengage unlike USB which usually stays in bending the spade or the port itself. Which over a 24 month contract with only a 12 month warranty on many phones cannot be good. Only good thing is USB cables are dirt cheap, however ports are not..

Funny as i have never seen one destroy itself! I've tripped over countless usb cables and i have never bent or snapped one. Its also incorrect to say lightning will disengage when pulled. Just the other day at work i saw my pals iphone hanging from the desk still plugged in to the phone and the computer.

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Most manufactures will not repair under warranty if a cheap cable damages a USB port.. How they would prove that i have no clue but I have heard via retail outlets that it has happened (HTC/Samsung.)

Never heard of that since they could as you say never ever tell.

[chenks]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Funny as i have never seen one destroy itself! I've tripped over countless usb cables and i have never bent or snapped one. Its also incorrect to say lightning will disengage when pulled. Just the other day at work i saw my pals iphone hanging from the desk still plugged in to the phone and the computer.

you should come see the box full of PDAs i have here with the micro USB port damaged beyond repair - the little part inside the port either hanging loose or bent.

usually the internal port will give way long before the cable does, which is not an ideal situation. i'd rather the cable sacrifice itself which more often than not doesn't happen with micro USB.

at least with the lighning cable/port the only thing that will break is the cable, as the port is just a hole.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by chenks

you should come see the box full of PDAs i have here with the micro USB port damaged beyond repair - the little part inside the port either hanging loose or bent.

usually the internal port will give way long before the cable does, which is not an ideal situation. i'd rather the cable sacrifice itself which more often than not doesn't happen with micro USB.

at least with the lighning cable/port the only thing that will break is the cable, as the port is just a hole.

Yeah, i dare say it does happen. But its not as common as the apple pundits make out and that somehow now usb is absolutely terrible!

LIghtning ports are not immune from problems anyway with some users reporting loose ones and one that just don't work. Nothing is perfect, even when apple makes it.....

[swordman]

Perhaps such legislation will stop the scandalous behaviour of chipping chargers and leads by some manufacturers.

[flagpole]

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Originally Posted by swordman

Perhaps such legislation will stop the scandalous behaviour of chipping chargers and leads by some manufacturers.

Hope so.

[jonner101]

Its nice to have standards but the Apple lightning connector is just a much better design than the micro usb, much easier to locate and also uni-directional.

Easily the worse ever standard plug socket system though has the be he absolutely horrendous SCART plugs and sockets. Thank god there is no need for them any more.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by jonner101

Its nice to have standards but the Apple lightning connector is just a much better design than the micro usb, much easier to locate and also uni-directional.

Easily the worse ever standard plug socket system though has the be he absolutely horrendous SCART plugs and sockets. Thank god there is no need for them any more.

I've never ever had an issue with micro usb plugging it in which makes it a non issue for me. Lightning tries to sort a problem that was never there.

As for scart, i agree! Hideous things they were!!

[jonner101]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I've never ever had an issue with micro usb plugging it in which makes it a non issue for me. Lightning tries to sort a problem that was never there.

As for scart, i agree! Hideous things they were!!

I't not a massive deal for me but having both an Android and iOS device it's a bit of a pain with the usb as I have to check the orientation. But yes a first world problem.

The old apple connector was pretty rubbish

[neo_wales]

It makes sense to standardise charge and data leads...but would mean businesses like Apple et al loosing out. At one time we (four of us at home) had different phones with different chargers it was crazy. Its a little better now with the availability of USB charger/plugs you can just plug your lead into but come on, just go with one design for the leads. I've no problem with the small mini/micro USB leads as I'm sure is the same for many people here.

[gomezz]

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Originally Posted by chenks

you should come see the box full of PDAs i have here with the micro USB port damaged beyond repair

One user with so many damaged devices? You have to wonder about the common factor.

[chenks]

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Originally Posted by gomezz

One user with so many damaged devices? You have to wonder about the common factor.

no.. multiple users.
we use PDAs out in the field.

[sancheeez]

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Originally Posted by chenks

no.. multiple users.
we use PDAs out in the field.

Ah. So these are work issue kit?

Suspect they would be looked after more carefully if they were owner bought ....

[chenks]

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Originally Posted by sancheeez

Suspect they would be looked after more carefully if they were owner bought ....

and there in lies the issue with micro USB.
why should a device have to be wrapped in cotton wool just to survive?

the vast majority of mobile device owners are not tech enthusiasts like most in here.. they are normal people who use devices in normal day to day life.

if a port is susceptible to damage due to the design of the port and cable then that is not a good thing overall.

as i've said my major grip about micro USB is that more than likely any damage will occur on the device itself and not the cable - thus damaging the most expensive part.

lightning port (and anything of similar design) will more than likely damage just the cable - much cheaper to replace the cable than the device.

[sancheeez]

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Originally Posted by chenks

and there in lies the issue with micro USB.
why should a device have to be wrapped in cotton wool just to survive?

It shouldn't.

But if all your work issue PDA's had lightning ports, I suspect you'd have a box full of unit with broken lightning ports!

Never had any trouble with micro USB myself ....

[gomezz]

I bet the breakage rate for these work PDAs would soon go down if the users were held properly responsible for them. Of course if they are being used in tough working conditions then they should be being given properly ruggedised versions.

[PrinceGaz]

afaik Apple's Lightning cables have a very poor reputation, but that is probably because people with large fingers sometimes don't grip only the plastic bit of the connector when removing it from their iDevice. Mine looks as good as new after nearly a year of going in and out every day, but I must admit it doesn't look like it is designed to last.

When looking for a portable charging solution, I opted for the MicroUSB-Lightning adapter coupled with a dirt cheap MicroUSB cable, because I can replace the cable very cheaply should I handle it a bit roughly when travelling, and the adapter is just a single small white plastic thing which fits on the end of the MicroUSB plug, and is a lot less likely to break than the Lightning cable end of the official cable.

You can pick up a MicroUSB cable on Amazon for next to nothing and they look far more sturdy than the Apple cable as the MicroUSB cable is essentially a moulded plastic plug which is part of the end of the cable, whereas Apple's cable has the plastic connector part, a sleeve behind it, and then the cable behind that.

[chenks]

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Originally Posted by sancheeez

It shouldn't.

But if all your work issue PDA's had lightning ports, I suspect you'd have a box full of unit with broken lightning ports!

Never had any trouble with micro USB myself ....

it would be extremely difficult to damage a lightning port on the device, as it's just a hole, it would be the cable that broke.

i'd rather have a to replace a broken cable than a £200 device.