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Old 01-10-2013, 09:54
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Watched "Nightmare in Silver" again on iplayer and spotted a few oddities. Thought they might prove "interesting" but not sure if they've been mentioned before.

Firstly, when the Doctor and Mr Clever are arguing "inside his head", the Doctor tells Mr Clever that he's allowing him access to information regarding Timelord regeneration and says (paraphrasing) "I could regenerate right now if I wanted to".

To me, that sounded like the Doctor telling us - the audience - that Timelords can actually regenerate BY CHOICE - that it's not just something they do automatically when the body is "dying". That opens some interesting prospects.

Secondly, during that same scene, we are shown the faces of all of the Doctors - in sequence. What's odd is that there's a pause and we are shown a "strange, firey shape" between 10 and 11 - a much longer gap between 10 and 11 than between the other regens but not just a pause because the image does change to "something else" - as if suggesting that something existed/exists between those two regens. (For some reason, that made me think of the oddness of the "explosion" that went with 10>11's regen - big enough to send a Tardis into meltdown.)

Thirdly, when Mr Clever is asking why there's no record of "The Doctor" in the Cyber's files, he says "You know you could be reconstructed by the hole you've left". I thought that was an interesting throw-away line to have in the build-up to one or more episodes involving certain past and even "deceased" characters.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:18
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Secondly, during that same scene, we are shown the faces of all of the Doctors - in sequence. What's odd is that there's a pause and we are shown a "strange, firey shape" between 10 and 11 - a much longer gap between 10 and 11 than between the other regens but not just a pause because the image does change to "something else" - as if suggesting that something existed/exists between those two regens. (For some reason, that made me think of the oddness of the "explosion" that went with 10>11's regen - big enough to send a Tardis into meltdown.)
The fiery shape is a shot of 10 regenerating into 11 in the Tardis.


Thirdly, when Mr Clever is asking why there's no record of "The Doctor" in the Cyber's files, he says "You know you could be reconstructed by the hole you've left". I thought that was an interesting throw-away line to have in the build-up to one or more episodes involving certain past and even "deceased" characters.
Well noticed. That could cause some interesting speculation if the Cybermen are around for the regeneration.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:46
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The fiery shape is a shot of 10 regenerating into 11 in the Tardis.
Like I said - it made me think of that and the fact that 10>11 was a very odd regeneration - violent, destructive and capable of massively damaging a Tardis.*

We were being shown a catalogue of Doctor's faces and that image was given at least as much prominence as any of those faces - as if it was a placemark for a face that was missing.

*And there are still some "temporal oddities" going back a ways - the "impossible" Millenium Dome and "who controlled the Tardis" amongst them.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:20
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The impossible Millenium Dome? Say what?!
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:54
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The impossible Millenium Dome? Say what?!
The TARDIS flys over the Millennium Dome after the Doctor has regenerated (when he's hanging out the door).



When it crashs in Amys garden though it's in the 1990's and thus before the Dome was built.




I don't think there's a problem here though as Amelia hears the "TARDIS brakes" which means that it materialised there (though still crashed as well) and thus probably time travelled between the Dome scene and the garden scene.
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Old 01-10-2013, 13:39
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Firstly, when the Doctor and Mr Clever are arguing "inside his head", the Doctor tells Mr Clever that he's allowing him access to information regarding Timelord regeneration and says (paraphrasing) "I could regenerate right now if I wanted to".

To me, that sounded like the Doctor telling us - the audience - that Timelords can actually regenerate BY CHOICE - that it's not just something they do automatically when the body is "dying". That opens some interesting prospects..
That was established with Romana wasn't it, Destiny of the Daleks?
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Old 01-10-2013, 14:04
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When it crashs in Amys garden though it's in the 1990's and thus before the Dome was built.
This is where someone will mention Rory's badge...

Hmm, so in the Eleventh Hour she was seven, and then nineteen. 2010, take off 12 years is... 1998. The dome was already up then, they were building stuff inside including the exhibition.

I think it works even without time travel, unless I've made a mistake.
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Old 01-10-2013, 14:23
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This is where someone will mention Rory's badge...

Hmm, so in the Eleventh Hour she was seven, and then nineteen. 2010, take off 12 years is... 1998. The dome was already up then, they were building stuff inside including the exhibition.

I think it works even without time travel, unless I've made a mistake.
Actually the Doctor most likely crashed in Amy's garden in 1996. The events of The Eleventh Hour happened 12 years later, but when the Doctor left with the TARDIS after the confrotation with the Atraxi, he didn't come back to Amy for another 2 years until 2010.

The Millenium Dome in The Eleventh Hour was most likely a production error, I think that Moffat mentioned on the commentary for the episode that they didn't realise that it wouldn't have been there in the year that the Doctor crashed in Amy's garden.
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Old 01-10-2013, 14:29
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Actually the Doctor most likely crashed in Amy's garden in 1996. The events of The Eleventh Hour happened 12 years later, but when the Doctor left with the TARDIS after the confrotation with the Atraxi, he didn't come back to Amy for another 2 years until 2010.

The Millenium Dome in The Eleventh Hour was most likely a production error, I think that Moffat mentioned on the commentary for the episode that they didn't realise that it wouldn't have been there in the year that the Doctor crashed in Amy's garden.
Yep, your quite right, there was another two years, and it certainly wasn't there in '96. Not a big deal really compared to the UNiT timeline, even the Doctor isn't sure about that.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:25
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Re - the Dome.

Even if it's a production error, we know that Moffat is aware of it - so he might decide to "explain" it in a later story just because he can. If there is a story about the Tardis doing something weird, citing that in a passing remark will "smooth over the crack" and give fans a giggle.

The point I was making though was not about anything specific- it was that the sequence of Doctor's faces included an extra image between 10 and 11 that looked like a burst of regen energy. I only mentioned the Dome as an example of oddities that fans have spotted relating to the Tardis SINCE that 10>11 regen - and the fact that we are about to see another exploded Tardis.

Re - the ability to regen "on demand" ...

Thanks for the info Dickens It just struck me as being meant for the audience - to inform or remind US that the Doctor can regnerate without having to die - and it seemed pretty much irrelevent to plot of that episode to say something that important in the run-up to what we know is coming at the end of 2013.
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:29
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The TARDIS flys over the Millennium Dome after the Doctor has regenerated (when he's hanging out the door).



When it crashs in Amys garden though it's in the 1990's and thus before the Dome was built.




I don't think there's a problem here though as Amelia hears the "TARDIS brakes" which means that it materialised there (though still crashed as well) and thus probably time travelled between the Dome scene and the garden scene.
Ah! Thankyou. Never twigged onto that I must say. Either way, production error or not, its DW so it can be explained away within the plot. The beauty of this show!
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:40
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Ah! Thankyou. Never twigged onto that I must say. Either way, production error or not, its DW so it can be explained away within the plot. The beauty of this show!
Exactly that - moffat and co might decide to "explain" it in a script simply because it's potentially interesting to do so.

The fact is, you could take a line or visual that was never created with any special motive and "retrofit" it into a future plot. Prime example - Martha's "cousin" was never genuinely in DW - until Freema was cast and they then decided that she had been (to explain the "resemblance").

It doesn't mean that they MUST explain every little detail - but it's in the nature of DW that something like that can inspire a story or later idea. "Discovering" that the 10>11 regeneration was different - perhaps because of the radiation that caused it or the presence of Gallifrey or the Master's earlier "energy attack" on the Doctor - could easily open the door for some plots in which the Tardis' erratic behaviour throughout Matt's run would become an element
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