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Old 01-10-2013, 10:16
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Nothing more I like than opening up a new shiny next gen console and having to do a day one update.

They haven’t reported how big it is but will take 15-20 minutes to download. Hopefully it won’t take me that long as got 60mb, but got to feel sorry for people with low internet speeds.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:53
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Well you could always put the kettle on while it updates, in fact you'll most likely be able to use the system while it's downloading the system update anyway.
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Old 01-10-2013, 15:14
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No the update is required before you start. Yeah no skin off my nose i suppose but i'm an inpatient type of person when it comes to a new toy to play on. Was thinking more on people with poor connections.
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Old 02-10-2013, 18:42
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At least it won't be as bad as the Wii U day 1 update which I believe took upwards of an hour.
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Old 02-10-2013, 19:15
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You could use the time to read the manual.

(I seriously can't remember the last time I read a manual for electronic kit)
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:49
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You could use the time to read the manual.

(I seriously can't remember the last time I read a manual for electronic kit)
Do they still come with manuals
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:08
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Seems to be standard that every game comes with a hefty update at launch - I suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise that the consoles themselves are now doing it.

I expect the PS4 will have one too.
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Old 11-10-2013, 14:27
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Seems to be standard that every game comes with a hefty update at launch - I suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise that the consoles themselves are now doing it.

I expect the PS4 will have one too.
As I understand it all the consoles will have a larg"ish" patch.

From XboxOne will have the much larger update as it will have to remove all the original software that would have made it do all the much (originally) hated family sharing stuff ect.

I always found that updates on Xbox were amazingly quick, considerably more so over the PS3's lumbering updates.

For PS3 I understand that its a normal patch to fix any bugs/errors and install updates.

I think that this will be the real test for Sony as if the updates go in quickly (xbox quickly) and without issue then it will be a much easier to live with over the huge pain that was/is PS3 updates!

Updates area fact of life now, I would rather in some ways have a system arrvie a few months early and have to download a quick patch over having to wait a further 6 months plus until all the bugs are ironed out....I suppose having a system / game thats already perfect and ready to use is a bit out of the question?
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Old 11-10-2013, 14:34
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From XboxOne will have the much larger update as it will have to remove all the original software that would have made it do all the much (originally) hated family sharing stuff ect.
Who hated the family share idea? That was one of the few early features people liked. There were questions about just how genuine what had been announced was and whether you could actually borrow and play the full game or if it was a timed demo but I don't actually remember anyone been against that feature.
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Old 11-10-2013, 14:53
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Who hated the family share idea? That was one of the few early features people liked. There were questions about just how genuine what had been announced was and whether you could actually borrow and play the full game or if it was a timed demo but I don't actually remember anyone been against that feature.
If I recall, family share required the "always online" feature as you weren't supposed to be able to play the shared game if the original owner was playing it. To perform that check, the XB1 had to be always online.
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Old 11-10-2013, 15:27
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If I recall, family share required the "always online" feature as you weren't supposed to be able to play the shared game if the original owner was playing it. To perform that check, the XB1 had to be always online.
Exactly,Family Share wasnt explained properly which caused a knee jerk reaction which was linked to the DRM issue and the perceived inability to sell on your used games.
MS bundled it all together and when the internet/fans/current owners made MS change their policy on DRM/Always on/mandatory Kinect.
MS as a parting shot took away Family Sharing function by stating that you couldnt have "one without the other"

On a related note Steam will be releasing an update where you can share games with family and friends on the same basis without the DRM and always on restrictions which makes MS look even more stupid (those guys just cant catch a break!)

I understand that the Family Sharing function could return in the future at some point....probably.
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Old 11-10-2013, 15:43
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Exactly,Family Share wasnt explained properly which caused a knee jerk reaction which was linked to the DRM issue and the perceived inability to sell on your used games.
MS bundled it all together and when the internet/fans/current owners made MS change their policy on DRM/Always on/mandatory Kinect.
MS as a parting shot took away Family Sharing function by stating that you couldnt have "one without the other"

On a related note Steam will be releasing an update where you can share games with family and friends on the same basis without the DRM and always on restrictions which makes MS look even more stupid (those guys just cant catch a break!)

I understand that the Family Sharing function could return in the future at some point....probably.
DRM was never really the issue with Family Sharing.

And from my understanding, the Steam family share works in pretty much the same way as Microsoft's planned sharing version with one teeny exception. Steam blocks access to a person's Library of games if someone is playing just one of them. So if you have a library of 5 games and want to loan out 2 to two different people, only 1 of those 2 will be able to access the Library at a time. And that also means you're locked out. Logging into to your library kicks everyone else out.

And you have to validate your Steam account by logging on to their pc to allow access. Oh... and you have to be online.

That's the Beta anyway.
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Old 11-10-2013, 16:20
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DRM was never really the issue with Family Sharing.

And from my understanding, the Steam family share works in pretty much the same way as Microsoft's planned sharing version with one teeny exception. Steam blocks access to a person's Library of games if someone is playing just one of them. So if you have a library of 5 games and want to loan out 2 to two different people, only 1 of those 2 will be able to access the Library at a time. And that also means you're locked out. Logging into to your library kicks everyone else out.

And you have to validate your Steam account by logging on to their pc to allow access. Oh... and you have to be online.

That's the Beta anyway.
As most understood it DRM was hand in hand with Family Sharing.

Im not saying your wrong or I am right but on the face of it strict DRM policy had to be in place for Family Sharing to work otherwise you would only ever buy one game and share it between 10 of your friends (with the obvious exceptions like multi player which would most likely require seperate games on their accounts).
The original Xbox plan was to limit/control how you would be able to sell/buy preowned games through a complicated process which would in the end mean paying the developer cash to play the pre-owned game.

I am in full support of developers and do think that they should see a portion of the preowned market money for their game but I dont support MS's proposed policy which would control everything about the game right down to being able to wipe the game from your account without your having a say in it. (this was verfied in post Xboxone launch from Dick Mattrex directly (yes that guy! probably spelt his name wrong though) who said that if you didnt want a console always online then buy an Xbox 360!)

I understand on the Steam side of things that they will be giving the main account holder over all "master" access to control who can play their games and can take the game back at any time as well as gift the game to others to try.
This is very early days stuff but looks promising and with a bit of luck Sony and MS will take notice and improve their product to stay competitive.
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:30
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The PS3 had a day one update and I imagine the ps4 will too. Infact the day one release of the ps3 had no mechanism for playing games because the copy protection was not included in the launch firmware. Xbox One needs to bundle the day one update on every launch disk based game though. For those without internet.
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Old 11-11-2013, 00:40
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In an interview with Engadget, Microsoft stated that, “functionally, you will be able to do very little without taking the day one update”. So, for those of you without an Internet connection, or if your ISP is offline, it sounds like your Xbox One will effectively be a paperweight.

The reason for this is that the firmware that ships with the Xbox One is not up to date, as they had to finalise the software for manufacturing. In order to update the console to the latest, stable firmware, the day one update is mandatory.


http://www.neowin.net/news/xbox-one-...day-one-update
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Old 12-11-2013, 04:13
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Update is 500mbs, aka nothing. Will take me a minute or less on my internet connection.
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Old 17-11-2013, 20:25
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Do they still come with manuals
indeed they do, 1 page manuals that say "please visit www.xbox.com/manual or just dive in blindly and use it now"

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Old 22-11-2013, 16:10
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My xbox one has been "Getting ready" to update for nearly an hour. Is this normal?
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Old 22-11-2013, 16:16
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My xbox one has been "Getting ready to update" for nearly an hour. Is this normal?
Mine took 3 or so minutes to start. I think I hit the home button on the pad and it sparked in to life.

It also failed first attempt but it completed in 10 minutes after that.
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Old 22-11-2013, 17:19
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My xbox one has been "Getting ready" to update for nearly an hour. Is this normal?
I turned mine off after about 90 mins. When it came back on it updated in 5 mins.
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Old 22-11-2013, 17:26
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You need to press a button on the controller else it just hangs, that's what i found anyway. The update should be around 5-10 minutes max.
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Old 22-11-2013, 17:43
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The console should come with a disc with the update on it, all those people who don't have the internet or have very slow download speeds are going to be buggered.
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Old 22-11-2013, 17:46
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The console should come with a disc with the update on it, all those people who don't have the internet or have very slow download speeds are going to be buggered.
All of the people who don't have internet were told months upon months in advance.
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Old 22-11-2013, 17:50
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There are people with internet having some issues, it should have come with valid firmware out of the box, or an offline patch. Imagine the drama on Christmas day if your updating gets borked.
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Old 22-11-2013, 18:03
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Is been explained many times why both consoles couldn't come with latest firmware. This wouldn't be launch day had they waited.
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