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Samsung caught doping the benchmarks… again (Galaxy Note 3)
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paulbrock
02-10-2013
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“I thought it was actual default underlocking which was prevented.
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Correct.
kidspud
02-10-2013
They are all at it.

Well, not quite

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/s...oid-benchmarks
Dark 1
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“They are all at it.

Well, not quite

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/s...oid-benchmarks”

So they are it would seem. Tsk! For those who can't be bothered to read the article, credit goes to Motorola, Google (Nexus) and Apple for seemingly not playing this game.

Notice they haven't tested any Windows phones yet though.
alanwarwic
03-10-2013
It is all interesting and I wonder if it part stems from throttling that has long been used to extend battery life.
Intel chipsets used extensive throttling with different speedstep scenarios for each different chip.
Intel would also classify a fast CP and slower CPU as having the same TDP wattage(TDP banding), when in fact the cheaper slower one in fact cooked the heatsink less.


Google gets no credit. Stock Android would not be very stock if it differentiated like the others.
IvanIV
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“Notice they haven't tested any Windows phones yet though.”

Are there any benchmarks for WP? A lack of apps is not all that bad after all
IvanIV
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“It is all interesting and I wonder if it part stems from throttling that has long been used to extend battery life.”

It's a normal behaviour of the processor that cores are shut down when the processor is idling for a while. It does not make sense to have them always ready. Samsung just realised it makes the benchmark results worse so whenever a benchmark app is running they disable this behaviour => faster, more energy needed.
alanwarwic
03-10-2013
http://highonandroid.com/android-sma...one-is-better/

"The bottom line is that these two processors are about even"

See what I mean about rigging. They obviously buy 3rd party chipsets so as not to be on the backfoot with Apple chipset contracts.
It would be interesting to see how the benchmarks non rigged compare. I'm still guessing that they do not want to see either version seen as a 2nd class product, so they rig it, a bit like we had those bigger signal bars on Apple phones.
ACU
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“They are all at it.

Well, not quite

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/s...oid-benchmarks”

Fair enough. It looks like I was wrong about them all being at it.
Dark 1
03-10-2013
Apparently the accusations are false. Samsung has said in a statement, "The Galaxy Note 3 maximises its CPU/GPU frequencies when running features that demand substantial performance (and is) not an attempt to exaggerate particular benchmarking results."

They didn't mention why this 'boost' only happens when known benchmarking apps are being run though. But they did go on to say, "We remain committed to providing our customers with the best possible user experience."

So that's okay then.

crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-defends-galaxy-note-3-benchmarking-shenanigans-50012403
Dark 1
27-11-2013
Bump.

The sorry saga continues…

Samsung and HTC face Android 3D graphics test chart removal shame - Benchmark monitor sends alleged test cheats to the back of the class.

www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/26/samsung_and_htc_face_android_3d_graphics_test_delisting_shame
kidspud
28-11-2013
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“Bump.

The sorry saga continues…

Samsung and HTC face Android 3D graphics test chart removal shame - Benchmark monitor sends alleged test cheats to the back of the class.

www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/26/samsung_and_htc_face_android_3d_graphics_test_delisting_shame”

I think we are just use to it now. That's why processor performance is never reflected in actual use.
IvanIV
28-11-2013
They just all need to cheat the same way.
Stuart_h
28-11-2013
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“They just all need to cheat the same way.”

Or we all need to start ignoring benchmarks that are never very useful these days anyway ..... Modern phones are so quick that the differences for most tasks are fractions of seconds....
kidspud
28-11-2013
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“Or we all need to start ignoring benchmarks that are never very useful these days anyway ..... Modern phones are so quick that the differences for most tasks are fractions of seconds....”

^This. In a strange way the cheating is good news for those in the benchmark business because it makes it look like the results are still important to phone suppliers.
BeethovensPiano
28-11-2013
Shady Samsung lol
Stuart_h
28-11-2013
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“^This. In a strange way the cheating is good news for those in the benchmark business because it makes it look like the results are still important to phone suppliers.”

Yep. I'm certainly not defending the companies actions. There has always been debate about how useful they are. Things like this just prove that point further.
alanwarwic
28-11-2013
Surely, all they have to do is issue an update.
That is what has usually always happened in the past, be it for Apple, Nvidia etc.

Saying that, how come they do not all publish real tests that do real things?
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