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Old 05-10-2013, 00:43
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I read some threads in here and a number of people have this strange obsession with how much something has sold.

If you like a song/album what does it matter how many it has sold? I have no idea how many the artists I like have sold but if I am the only one who bought it, I wouldn't care as long as I like it.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:28
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Because for pop artists, which is all this forum seems to care about, it can sometimes be the difference between having a label to make music on or not.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:29
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I agree with you slightly i like a lot of music that hasn't that much but i still bought it cause i like it but i do take interest in how one of my favorite artists song is doing as i want the best for them & with Britney's new single i'd love that to go top 3 worldwide.

A lot of artists if the music is doing that well give up or get dropped. Melanie C is one of a few who i'd say releases music cause she enjoys it regardless of sales.
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Old 05-10-2013, 02:37
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You have a point. Music is either good or bad. It's subjective.

Unfortunately at the end of the day it is business and comes down to what sells and what doesn't That does't take away from what is good music and what isn't. If it wasn't as cut throat as how it is now it would be brilliant.

There are plenty of artists who haven't dented the top 40 but still are great artists as their music is quality. It is kinda sad..
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Old 05-10-2013, 04:09
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I don't get it either. It also means there is so much discussion I don't bother joining in with, because caring about sales that much and using them as a point scoring tactic against "rival" artists is just something I won't ever understand the appeal of.

I wish there was more lyric analysis or discussion about the techincal side of song writing/singing/performing but I rarely see conversation along those lines here.
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:07
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I'm someone who's always interested in how my favourite artists are selling, but at the same time I don't obsess over it and i'm definitely not someone who thinks sales = artistic integrity or whatever.
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:09
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I watched the Rock and Roll britannia thing off iPlayer yesterday - and I seem to recall there was this view that album-destined music and single-destined stuff pre-Beatles was very much of the ilk - that they didn't bother- just grind out any old shit.

Is it possible that this is what the singles market has gone back to?
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:21
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Well thats one of the stupidest things i've ever heard. In fact much of the greatest music was made prior to the sixties thanks to the likes of Elvis Presley (Sun Sessions), Miles Davis (Kind Of Blue) Frank Sinatra (His many great Capitol Concept albums), Hank Williams, Bing Crosby (The most popular vocalist until 1950), Louis Armstrong (Particularly his 1927-1931 performances which were revolutionary), plus about a million rock n roll, big band, jazz, country, blues, pop, rockabilly acts etc etc.
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:28
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Well thats one of the stupidest things i've ever heard. In fact much of the greatest music was made prior to the sixties thanks to the likes of Elvis Presley (Sun Sessions), Miles Davis (Kind Of Blue) Frank Sinatra (His many great Capitol Concept albums), Hank Williams, Bing Crosby (The most popular vocalist until 1950), Louis Armstrong (Particularly his 1927-1931 performances which were revolutionary), plus about a million rock n roll, big band, jazz, country, blues, pop, rockabilly acts etc etc.
Sorry - was meaning in the BRITISH charts...

Most of the acts you cited were part of the albums industry... I was referring to the knock-em-out singles only stuff. Mitch Miller etc..

Think of Mitch Miller as the 1940s Simon Cowell..
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:43
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Because as far as pop artists are concerned it has a massive influence, if a song doesn't sell well they may decide to depart from that sound all together, it's also the best indication whether or not the artist will make more music, tour or get dropped. I think a lot of people who 'obsess' over sales don't actually let it have any influence on their personal opinion of the song, they're just monitoring it to hope their favourites are doing well enough to carry on. It's not just fanbases, the media is very interested in sales too and it just plays a big role. Plus, I personally find it interesting, I like stats. Plus everyone wants to see their favourites do well.
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:58
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Point taken - just that it's interesting to note that the singles market seems to have gone back to the status quo ante.. where manufactured acts are the most common. Or established acts are shoehorned into other markets and styles..
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:19
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I just find it interesting to see which singles/albums are the favourite by the public which means also perhaps people who aren't fans of the act.

I agree with others that I think it's fine apart from 'obsessives' who inflate sales and tear other artists down needlessly. Completely blinded by fandom and lack of reasoning not mentioning a particular spice girls fan...
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:29
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The trouble with sales talk (apart from being tedious) is that some sad people bring it into a discussion to make a point or to point score as if it means something about the quality of the music.

If I had my way there would be a sub-forum for sales discussion and any mention of it in the main forum would be an insta-ban .
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Old 05-10-2013, 13:09
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I don't get it either. It also means there is so much discussion I don't bother joining in with, because caring about sales that much and using them as a point scoring tactic against "rival" artists is just something I won't ever understand the appeal of.

I wish there was more lyric analysis or discussion about the techincal side of song writing/singing/performing but I rarely see conversation along those lines here.
Same here. I get the feeling that those ppl goes on sale figures rather than on the music itself. If it top the chart= good, and youre a fan. If it doesnt get to no1=rubbish,flop,not a fan.

I love music and the only thing I care about is if I enjoy what I hear.
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Old 05-10-2013, 13:15
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This board is no where near as bad any most other music boards in terms of the sales obsession.
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Old 05-10-2013, 13:27
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I only mainly listen to material that isn't Top 40 material & normally purchase it Online as it is normally cheaper than the likes of HM Thief. A couple years ago a Rock band released a new album, HM Thief wanted to charge 25 for the standard edition of the album as it was in their specialised import section, where as from a Online supplier it only cost 20 which was the deluxe version that included a live DVD & a free t-Shirt. HM Thief not only had the nerve to charge 25 for the album on it's own, but wanted 15 for the DVD & 12 for the t-shirt.

Just because a Artist / Band isn't chart material, it doesn't mean that the record shops should give little to no promotion of the album & also charge a ridiculous price for it. I can proudly say that I haven't bought a Now compilation in over 10 years, because I wouldn't pay to support the majority of the sh!t on it, I wouldn't even waste space on my computer / mp3 player by downloading it illegally.

Surely it would be worth record shops worthwhile to put up a poster in the shop of bands / artists that are not Top 40 material, that way they may get more sales & then be able to increase sales figures by lowering the price to that of Top 40 material.
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Old 05-10-2013, 22:31
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put simply:


sales = money = popularity = music liked = music regarded good by people
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Old 07-10-2013, 14:40
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I agree with you slightly i like a lot of music that hasn't that much but i still bought it cause i like it but i do take interest in how one of my favorite artists song is doing as i want the best for them & with Britney's new single i'd love that to go top 3 worldwide.

A lot of artists if the music is doing that well give up or get dropped. Melanie C is one of a few who i'd say releases music cause she enjoys it regardless of sales.
1i would say the vast majority of artists I listen to make music for the love and enjoyment of doing so, any perceived commercial success is very much a secondary consideration.
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Old 07-10-2013, 14:59
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It's part of music enlightenment to discover that good and enjoyable artists and tracks exists outside of the 'Pop Charts.' In fact it's like a pleasurable secret discovering someone not widely known and sharing amongst a small group and an anathema if they suddenly have big success and their music inevitably become over produced and commercialised.
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Old 07-10-2013, 15:30
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I agree with those that said it's a way to monitor how your favorite artist is doing. That being said, it's incredibly frustrating to see people discrediting/dissing other artists simply because another has sold more than them or has had more commercial success than them.

The word "FLOP" is the most OVER USED word from trolls & fans of Top 40/Pop music. It's actually quite sad to see how much they enjoy calling others flop & the lengths they go to make sure other people know that a certain artist is a "flop."
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Old 07-10-2013, 16:13
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I agree with those that said it's a way to monitor how your favorite artist is doing. That being said, it's incredibly frustrating to see people discrediting/dissing other artists simply because another has sold more than them or has had more commercial success than them.

The word "FLOP" is the most OVER USED word from trolls & fans of Top 40/Pop music. It's actually quite sad to see how much they enjoy calling others flop & the lengths they go to make sure other people know that a certain artist is a "flop."
I hate seeing artists being described as 'flops'. Just because music does not sell 1000s does not make it a flop. Frankly, if an artist builds a small but loyal fan base, I call that a success.
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:18
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I think there is too much talk about sales, it reflects the attitude to pop music that it is only about the biz. I often feel that I am reading the comments of sales executives rather than fans.

Of course, It could be that the story of pop music is coming to an end? There are no real big cultural movements that are aligned with pop music any more. And so many of the new forms of pop music are recycled versions of past ones. Maybe pop has run out of new ideas and the biz won out over the art in the end? And sales are all that's worth talking about?
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:53
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I think there is too much talk about sales, it reflects the attitude to pop music that it is only about the biz. I often feel that I am reading the comments of sales executives rather than fans.

Of course, It could be that the story of pop music is coming to an end? There are no real big cultural movements that are aligned with pop music any more. And so many of the new forms of pop music are recycled versions of past ones. Maybe pop has run out of new ideas and the biz won out over the art in the end? And sales are all that's worth talking about?
When it comes to the mainstream, yeah, probably.
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Old 07-10-2013, 22:17
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When it comes to the mainstream, yeah, probably.
How do you judge success outside the mainstream?
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Old 07-10-2013, 23:35
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It's not solely about the music anymore, it was more so back in the 60's etc. It's all about controversy and hype and most of the top 40 buyers are kids.
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