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Which is better for copying HD recordings to PC - the Foxsat or the HDR 1000S? |
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Which is better for copying HD recordings to PC - the Foxsat or the HDR 1000S?
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Which is better for copying HD recordings to PC - the Foxsat HDR or the HDR 1000S? I know the Foxsat has custom software that lets you do this. I'm getting the impression from googling around that the HDR 1000S doesnt? thanks |
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It is currently not possible to copy any programmes recorded on a HDR-1000S or HDR-1010S (HD or SD).
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That's a shame, is there any news on someone trying to develop custom software for it?
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That's a shame, is there any news on someone trying to develop custom software for it?
It's been mentioned elsewhere that if anyone did find a way of hacking it and customising the firmware then it would be the end of <free time> as freesat just wouldn't bother supporting it and look into bringing other future features to it. |
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Yes, just look at the flood of piracy that has come from the custom-custom firmware on the HDR.
So that would be none then. ![]() Is there anything special about freetime that makes it more crucial for it to be locked down, or is it just more anti-user guff to calm the shareholders about nonexistent threats? (A genuine question.) |
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Freesat have it pretty much locked down for a reason.
It's been mentioned elsewhere that if anyone did find a way of hacking it and customising the firmware then it would be the end of <free time> as freesat just wouldn't bother supporting it and look into bringing other future features to it. |
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Can you point to the reason Freesat wouldn't continue to support it, if that happened?
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I don't get it. People have always been able to freely copy Freeview files to their PC so what's so different about Freesat?
Surely it makes little difference whether recordings are watched from the box or on some other device, as long as we're watching it then the broadcasters should be happy right? Also, I don't think this can have anything to do with wanting to protect sales of DVD/blu-ray from people sharing things online. Surely if any programme is released on DVD or blu-ray then THAT will be the file shared, ripped direct from the high quality disc, not the low quality TV broadcast with a logo in the corner? |
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I rather think the idea is to allow protected streaming (Promised in a future update) from the HDR-100x0 units.
In that way most users get what they want - the ability to watch elsewhere in their home. |
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Surely if any programme is released on DVD or blu-ray then THAT will be the file shared, ripped direct from the high quality disc, not the low quality TV broadcast with a logo in the corner?
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I don't get it. People have always been able to freely copy Freeview files to their PC so what's so different about Freesat?
Surely it makes little difference whether recordings are watched from the box or on some other device, as long as we're watching it then the broadcasters should be happy right? Also, I don't think this can have anything to do with wanting to protect sales of DVD/blu-ray from people sharing things online. Surely if any programme is released on DVD or blu-ray then THAT will be the file shared, ripped direct from the high quality disc, not the low quality TV broadcast with a logo in the corner? |
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Under copyright laws you are only allowed to make recordings of broadcasts for time-shifting purposes and NOT for building archive libraries. Freeview up to now has not had inbuilt capabilities to prevent such copying. The first generation Foxsat HDR with custom "hacked" software did also have such capability but that has now been clamped down on with the second generation boxes. The broadcasters have paid programme providers to allow viewing of content and NOT to allow building up archive libraries. Although the broadcasts are FTA most have not been placed in the public domain to allow free copying.
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Actually you are not quite correct. Educational establishments and Local Authorities can purchase a licence to record , copy and distribute off air program as per the conditions of the licence e.g correct labeling.
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Thanks for the info guys.
So putting aside the issue of sharing files online, simply recording things from TV to keep long-term is a crime. It seems a bit harsh that they've now decided to crack down on something people have been doing all our lives with a clear conscience, never having being treated like criminals before. Rather like if all new cars were prevented from going even 1mph over the speed limit. Harsh. Just out of curiosity… what is the limit for number of times a programme can legally be re-watched in one household, and what is the longest it can be kept for? Say I come back from holiday and want to watch a programme 5 days after it aired. Then my wife also wanted to watch it on a separate occasion due to her working shifts? Then my uncle says he's coming to visit in 2 months and can we save it for him to watch? Is there any clear law about this or is it all just vague and stupid? |
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Thanks for the info guys.
So putting aside the issue of sharing files online, simply recording things from TV to keep long-term is a crime. It seems a bit harsh that they've now decided to crack down on something people have been doing all our lives with a clear conscience, never having being treated like criminals before. Rather like if all new cars were prevented from going even 1mph over the speed limit. Harsh. Just out of curiosity… what is the limit for number of times a programme can legally be re-watched in one household, and what is the longest it can be kept for? Say I come back from holiday and want to watch a programme 5 days after it aired. Then my wife also wanted to watch it on a separate occasion due to her working shifts? Then my uncle says he's coming to visit in 2 months and can we save it for him to watch? Is there any clear law about this or is it all just vague and stupid? The laws have changed little since they were first introduced shortly after video recorders with in built tuners were first marketed. There were I believe similar battles over the introduction of audio cassette recorders. |
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Thanks for the info guys.
So putting aside the issue of sharing files online, simply recording things from TV to keep long-term is a crime. It seems a bit harsh that they've now decided to crack down on something people have been doing all our lives with a clear conscience, never having being treated like criminals before. Rather like if all new cars were prevented from going even 1mph over the speed limit. Harsh. Just out of curiosity… what is the limit for number of times a programme can legally be re-watched in one household, and what is the longest it can be kept for? Say I come back from holiday and want to watch a programme 5 days after it aired. Then my wife also wanted to watch it on a separate occasion due to her working shifts? Then my uncle says he's coming to visit in 2 months and can we save it for him to watch? Is there any clear law about this or is it all just vague and stupid? There is an exception for time-shifting which is defined here http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-o...-timeshift.htm Quote:
A recording of a broadcast can be made in domestic premises for private and domestic use to enable it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time. (their bold and typo in the last sentence.. This time-shifting exception does not however cover the making of recordings for placing in a collection for repeated viewing or listening. The making of a recording for purposes other than to time-shift a programme for your or your family is likely to be illegal. )Using the second paragraph you could argue that not deleting a recording from the hard drive after the first watch and in your scenario of other family members watching it on different occasions many days later is "placing in a collection for repeated viewing or listening" Mind you you stand more chance of winning a four times Lotto Rollover without ever buying a ticket than have the copyright rozzers turn your door into firewood and cart you off to the nearest dungeon.
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There were I believe similar battles over the introduction of audio cassette recorders.
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I'm not really bothered about being punished or prosecuted, but I do respect the law, for the sake of morality itself. That's not to say I will always abide by it if I think the law is itself immoral, but I respect the law and I am not oblivious to it. When it comes to this issue though it's like something most people grew up doing never knowing it was wrong in any way so to suddenly be restricted from doing it just seems, well, for want of a better expression it seems like it kind of goes against human rights, even though I know the restriction is lawful.
I suppose it's a bit like if they stopped the NHS. They would have every legal right to do that, but since we all take that freedom for granted (free medical treatment) then it would just seem like a violation, stopping something that has always gone on. |
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