Believe has a good premise so I reckon it will do ok, Crisis on the other hand sounds dire, rich kids of the rich and powerful are taken hostage, that's a scenario we can all relate to - not. That I hope tanks, I really hate drama like this.

Regardless of premise, it doesn't mean good ratings or long life
It premiered to 10 million last monday night at 10
It's now at 9:00 on sunday up against Resurrection and The good wife

Most pilots alread see a shread of viewers, but will the competition of these two hinder it.

Actually I've seen both pilots and CRISIS was the much better of the two... Believe was terrible.

However, I'm hoping both shows flop terribly so Revolution will get a better chance of renewal

In the case of Crisis I can only hope.


I like Revolution and would love to see it given a renewal.

Since when do you have to be able to relate to a scenario in a drama in order to be able to enjoy it?

Last night's ratings

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...crisis/245084/

Major ouch for Believe... good for Crisis to build from its lead in...
Believe will fall even further next week... and imo both shows will end up getting cancelled.

Hopefully this is good news for Revolution(if it doesnt drop any more itself)

Resurrection fell but still won the night.
It will get a second season but it will be held off till mid season again.
Theres no way it would get a 22 episode order. The story just isnt there to sustain it

Looking at those ratings why is American Dad being moved to TBS next season while Bob's Burgers stays on FOX even though it's ratings are worse.

American Dad has more than 170 episodes in the can. That makes it a far more attractive prospect to move, given it's syndication-friendly quantities. Bob's Burger have made only 50-odd episodes so far - not enough to make it a saleable option, so Fox keep it to churn out the numbers and get it up to syndication territory. Numbers are lower, but I wonder if the cost-benefit ratio is still good, so it's worth sticking with? Fox are likely making a very good profit from moving AD to TBS. I think Fox's pipeline is shockingly short, and even the newer animations are looking a little old now (The Simpsons - god how long are they going to keep going with that?!).

Giving Seth McFarlane a shiny new show to work on, and probably a big shiny paycheck to go with it(!) ensures they keep key talent around their network for as long as possible. It's akin to them ensuring they have a finger in as many of Ryan Murphy's pies as possible - even if they aren't broadcast on their own station (as with Ryan's new project 'Open'), which will broadcast on HBO (because of content!), but is partially developed by Fox. When Glee ends next year, they'll continue to mine Ryan's development line for their next big thing.

It seems to be the way Fox work now, in a world where they shun the pilot season (not applicable to animation I know) and rely on in-house development of projects that they spend a lot more time working to get right in order to get full season orders out of them. It's rather than 15 pilots for only 5 to make it through, and then only 2 of them to make it to a second season. Such a waste of money doing it the old fashioned way - but less risky for networks like NBC etc who still keep their pilot seasons going.

Bobs Burgers got moved to an early timeslot to make room for Cosmos..

it usually pulls in better numbers then American Dad, but for the past few weeks its been leading off the night at a very early time.

Bob's burgers has aired 60 episodes. It has another 7 left to air, plus 22 episodes were already ordered for season 5. Giving it enough for syndication. They will likely cancel it once it's done that. They did the same to the cleveland show. That show was never good in ratings but they got their 88 episodes

To be fair, the recent episodes of Bob's burgers have been a lot lower than usual. Its normally earns around 3.5/4 million per episode. All of fox's animated shows have had longer hiatuses than what live action shows have had so i reckon that may of seen a slip in ratings, in that people are probs not aware it's back.

FOX will be need of another animated show once American dad goes or they may even keep Bob's burgers on their leach a lot longer. It is a great show personally. I am a huge Bob's burgers fan.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ts-low/245955/
NBC have really found two big winners in About a boy and Growing up fisher.

well.....not really...
its the same situation as Go On last year, it aired after the voice and did really well....
as soon as it was taken away from the voice is bombed and was cancelled.

the same would more then likely happen with aab and guf

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...-rises/247204/

http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/03/rat...arch-2014.html

Resurrection REALLY needs to stop falling. Still decent, but its downward trajectory is very bad.

Crisis and Believe are both Dead... they are now below both Parenthood and Revolution numbers

NBC have renewed shows that rate lower than both Crisis and Believe (e.g Hannibal), so i reckon one of them might come back. Wouldn't call them dead just yet.

Resurrection's decline each week is perfectly normal. It's rare shows actually grow each week. Unless it goes below 6/5 million, i wouldn't worry. It's actually rating higher than most of ABC's current drama shows.

The reason for Hannibals renewal was that it was an international co-production and received wide critical acclaim.

Crisis and Believe (along with Revolution most likely) will be 100% cancelled. Both very expensive shows and only 4 episodes in to their 13 episode runs.

That normally means nothing. But it could of been a slight help for it's renewal.

It wouldn't shock me if Believe did get a second season but was bunged to 2015 midseason. Just a feeling. We'll see in a months time when upfronts are announced.

Actually there were pre-emptions for NBC last night, Believe and Crisis could very well adjust down!
I think if one was to get a mid-season renewal, Revolution would get it

Yeah, that could happen with Revolution

Here are the full ratings from last night

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...steady/249166/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...hedule/249884/

I was reading this and actually believed it from the headlines. The chief saying that they would only produce spin offs and that original tv was dead. I think it is probably very close to the truth!

Just a piss take for April fool's. In some way it is a jab at CBS as let's be honest, all CBS do are either sitcoms, crime dramas and then spin-offs from crime dramas. They lack originality.

Only the second April Fool I have laughed at today, and the other was an e-mail notification I get regularly.

Ho hum.

These are all final numbers.

Link (AI): http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ted-do/251096/

Will American Idol be following the same fate as TXF? The latest results show was again at an all-time low of 1.7 in 18-49 demo with a 7.72m total viewers. Hell's Kitchen did a 1.8 in the demos. Such a long way down from a show which once used to attract over 20m on a regular basis. Lots of comments on TVbyTN suggest that Idol should either be cancelled or move to the summer timeslot (that is, if the budget is similar to So You Think You Can Dance or AGT, which I clearly doubt since JLo is getting paid over $15 million).

Link (Glee): http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...d-down/250243/

Glee also faced similar fall-from-grace as they had a lowly 0.9 and 2.59m total viewers. Glee has been eroding in the ratings for a while now, but this is beyond the unacceptable level. Like I said before, how they will tackle their already announced sixth and last season will be interesting. My safe bet is that Fox will move it to Fridays and cut to 13-18 episodes. Then again, FOX comedies are getting atrocious numbers, a tad worse than NBC Thursday comedies.

While I love McFarlane's stuff, I do wonder if he has the ability to make a new show.

Effectively he has made the same show three times so far and I don't hold much prospect that any new venture would be different in any meaningful way.