It's a good start for Scorpion. It dropped a little bit across the hour, the first half hour had a 3.4 and the second had a 3.1 but that's to be expected leading out of The Big Bang Theory.

Gotham not quite as high as I expected but still very good. It grew slightly halfway through (8-8.30 was a 3.1, 8.30-9 was a 3.2) which doesn't often happen for new shows.

The Blacklist did really well especially as The Voice was down quite a bit (24% down on last year!). Although The Blacklist did drop a lot across the hour. I know it always drops a bit but 3.7 to 3.1 looks like quite a large fall.

Big Bang only down very slightly on last year so nothing to worry about. Sleepy Hollow looks weak though. A 2.0 is way off the early episodes last year and a bit off where it ended up too. The drop across the hour (the half hours were 2.2/1.8) are not encouraging either. It's another headache FOX could do without.

Not so hot for ABC with Forever launching poorly and DWTS down (not down as much as The Voice though). The Voice still got a strong number but it's quite a bit below previous premieres which is concerning for NBC. They'll need it to hold up better across the season this time.

Wonder where midseason shows like Mike and Molly, The Odd Couple and The Mentalist will go? CSI Cyber will replace CSI on Sundays, my guess would be The Odd Couple replaces Two and a Half Men if it has less than 22 episodes or The McCarthys if that underperforms, not sure on Mike and Molly. Mom and 2 Broke Girls are likely safe so I can't see either being cut episode wise. The Mentalist I imagine will end up replacing an underperforming drama.

Disappointing start for Sleepy Hollow and Forever. I didn't expect Forever to start well, since DWTS is no longer a strong lead-in program and when it was, it was wasted on Castle (their results show never had strong enough ratings anyways). Gotham started well and Scorpion did great also. Although, there were negative reception towards Scorpion. The Blacklist debuted well and looks like The Voice is no match for TBBT, which is a shame as TBBT stopped being funny since a few years ago.

Those shows will likely assume the slot that was previously occupied by a new show that flopped and was later cancelled

Will be interesting to see which network and show is the first to be put to death.

I'm surprised that The Mentalist got a new season to begin with. They got horrid ratings last season. Maybe their syndication and international sales helped. They are very huge in France.

Considering Monday night may be the most competitive night of the week - and TBBT is scoring nearly 18 million viewers away from other channels, and a 5.4 demo ( wow, no one is getting those numbers apart from them and Modern Family!) - then the premiere of Gotham, with a 3.2/8, was a good start. Not so strong for Sleepy Hollow, I'm guessing Scorpion drew curious people away at 9pm, their 3.3 was another excellent start. I just wonder if Scorpion will be one of those shows that has a ratings plummet over the next month. The show doesn't seem to be particularly strong (from the few clips I've seen, I'll have to decide once I've watched a whole episode). Blacklist seems to be here to stay, with those numbers. The Voice lead-in helps it, no doubt, but it's a great number for 10pm.

I think you pretty much just said why they saved it. This season will more than likely be the last if the demos continue to be poor. But i wonder if CBS will have the heart to inform the show it will end to give them time for a proper ending. CBS have a great track record of cancelling long running shows and never allowing them to get a proper ending.

CBS better allow The Mentalist to have a proper ending. Then again, The WB owns the show, so who knows what CBS would do if the plummet continues. Plus, they are not really awards darling like The Good Wife. Same goes for Two and a Half Men, a WB owned sitcom. On their 12th season now. Their recent ratings are not like what they used to, but better than a half of CBS lineup in demos.

I haven't watched Forever yet & going by those numbers not sure I'll bother

I think The Mentalist doesn't need to be wrapped up since they already solved Red John but I think it would nice for Jane to get a happy ending.

TAAHM is the final season do it'll be wrapped up with no loose ends

I stopped watching Under The Dome because of this thread.

Heh, I didn't start because I rage quit the book!

A really interesting & competitive Monday night. CBS's Big Bang move threw a spanner in the works for the other networks and seemed to pin Fox & NBC down. Both have things to be happy about though. Gotham did well considering the ferocious opposition and the general awfulness of Fox's other premieres, while The Blacklist (which NBC has a whole lot riding on this season) looks really impressive.

As I've said before, I am routing for NBC so much this year who have only recently started to recover! I am routing for The Blacklist (which I haven't even started), About A Boy, Grimm and new show Constantine! They deserve to do well. I am also routinhg for the ABC trio (my favourite ones anyway)- The Middle, Modern Family and Black-Ish which looks good.

CBS I am routing for Big Bang Theory and Mom specifically. And for FOX I'm only caring for Gotham. So, IMO, I don't feel sorry for FOX, the ratings have reflected the quality.

Now with CW... (just like NBC), I hope they have a fantastic year with the debuts of Jane The Virgin and The Flash, as well as my favourites, Arrow, The Vampire Diaries and The Originals. I have only watched up to S3 of Supernatural though.

If I was to predict a few of the shows that I watch:

CBS:
Mom- 2.8

NBC:
About A Boy- 1.8
Grimm- 1.6
Constantine- 1.5

The latter being great for Fridays!

ABC:
The Middle- 2.3
Modern Family- 3.5
Black-Ish- 2.1?

CW:
Arrow- 1.0
Supernatural- 1.1
The Vampire Diaries- 0.9
The Originals- 0.9
Jane The Virgin- 0.6
The Flash- 1.2

and the other CW shows:

Hart of Dixie- 0.4
Reign- 0.6
The 100- 0.7
BaTB- 0.3

No idea why BatB has come back when TTP could have had a 2nd season!

Monday finals, BBT, DWTS and Forever adjusted up, Scorpion and Top Model down.

CBS:
The Big Bang Theory- 18.03m (5.4) and 18.24m (5.4)
Scorpion- 13.83m (3.2)
Under The Dome- 7.52m (1.8)

NBC:
The Voice- 12.95m (3.9)
The Blacklist- 12.34m (3.4)

FOX:
Gotham- 8.21m (3.2)
Sleepy Hollow- 5.51m (2.0)

ABC:
DWTS- 12.76M (2.2)
Forever- 8.59m (1.7)

CW:
ANTM- 780,000 (0.3)

NBC has managed to get themselves back on track thanks to The Voice, Black List and solid performers like Chicago Fire and SVU. I also think Jimmy Fallon on The Tonight Show has played a part as well.

CBS is still solid. I wouldn't be surprised if CSI ends either this season or next as the move to Sunday at 10pm is uusually the sign for shows on the way out. CBS also has the changes in Late night with Letterman going next year and Stephen Colbert coming plus the Late Late Show with James Corden.

Interesting that Scorpion ended up with the same ratings despite having over 50% more viewers than Gotham. I know Gotham probably skews younger, and so the 18-49 figure is always going to be favourable even with lower overall viewers, but near 14m viewers for a drama premiere should be getting more than just a 3.2, IMO. Makes Gotham look the far more viable drama - especially when it was up against TBBT.

Agree, the slot of Gotham, TBBT and The Voice was filled with younger viewers, it's surprising that Gotham and TBBT did so well. Huge chunk of youngsters were watching TV at that time. A 3.2 for 8m is huge, compare that to something like Blue Bloods which would get 10m and only a 1.2 demo, as that has one of the oldest audience of any show on US TV.

You’re right in saying that Warner Bros produces Two and a Half Men for CBS, but CBS have already announced that this 12th season is going to be the final season (due to the combination of decreasing viewers and increasing production costs) so the programme should have a conclusive ending, as much as a sitcom ever does that is.


The success of The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon has certainly given NBC some much ‘buzz’, so I think its a good assumption that this might be helping the network’s performance in general.
Plus there’s big money to be made in ‘late night’ right now, so a networks primetime performance is only part of the picture, performance wise. And the competition next year will only get greater as Letterman and Ferguson leave CBS and Stephen Colbert and James Corden come in. I think CBS are secretly hoping either Colbert or Corden become their ‘Jimmy Fallon’.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...emiere/306630/

Good demo for Shield
Brilliant for Chicago Fire
Poor for Mindy
Strong start for the new NCIS
Moderate for Forever

Fantastic nights for CBS and NBC. Just to note, The Voice climbed dramatically throughout the 2 hours, its half hours were... 3.3/3.8/4.4/4.7. Note, these ratings are rounded up which is odd, but the finals will fix that.

CBS:
NCIS- 18.00m (2.9)
NCIS New Orleans- 17.10m (2.5)
Person of Interest- 10.70m (1.8)

ABC:
Dancing With the Stars- 9.60m (1.6)
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D- 5.60m (1.9)
Forever- 6.50m (1.7)

NBC:
The Voice- 13.00m (4.0)
Chicago Fire- 9.40m (2.7)

FOX:
Utopia- 1.90m (0.9)
New Girl- 2.30m (1.3)
The Mindy Project- 2.10m (1.0)

CW:
Arrow (r)- 697,000 (0.3)
Supernatural (r)- 655,000 (0.3)

Forever held up better than I thought! And FOX... there are no words. They will be in HUGE trouble this year. I think CW Tuesdays may beat FOX Tuesdays. The Flash and Supernatural are on Tuesdays right? SPN usually gets around 0.9-1.0 and The Flash should debut with around 1.2 in my opinion.

FOX is really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. How can a show with a 0.9 or a 1.0 rating and a two million total viewers manage to stay on air? There is no way to spin this in any shape or form. FOX better offer a discount offer to advertisers like Pay One and Get One Free stuff. Their Wednesday and Thursday don't look any promising either. This looks to be worse than when NBC and ABC had their dark days circa 2009-13. New Girl might be a perfect example of a show which really fell from grace in just three seasons.

Excellent for Chicago Fire and Forever looks below average, but has ABC ever did good on Tuesdays since Lost? The Voice is still doing business and NCIS franchise is doing good in demos. Person of Interest is, well, no comment. I wonder if ABC made a mistake in renewing SHIELD? 1.9 on return is a really poor result.

As I have said before, FOX is currently in the state that NBC was in 2-3 years ago, and I feel weirdly proud of NBC and how they have managed to get out of the horrific state they were in then... so there is hope for FOX in the future in the future. People expected NBC to fall permanently below the CW back then, and look at it now!

As for FOX, I don't know, maybe syndication? New Girl is not doing well at all especially compared to the dizzy heights of the first half of Season 1, BUT it is still performing better than most FOX shows at the moment, which probably makes it safe, also at the end of this season, it will surely reach the amount needed for syndication. People saying this season is the last, I doubt it, next year may be though. Lets not forget, there are about 4 shows doing worse than NG so they need to fill those hours.

I'm hoping for strong returns for Grimm and About A Boy and premiere for Constantine. If all three do well, with The Voice and Chicago Fire/PD, NBC will have an incredible year.

ABC will be intriguing tonight with its comedy foursome... The Middle, Modern Family, The Goldbergs and Black-Ish on paper should be a KILLER with the reliable The Middle and MF, and TG which has repeated extremely well this summer.

Forever did well by keeping the audience, Tuesdays at 10pm on ABC haven't done well in years, so anything over 1.4 would be deemed a hit.

I agree. When New Girl reaches syndication numbers, it will probably end after. I can see this doing quite well in syndications, possibly close to The Middle numbers, that being not great but passable numbers. According to some people, New Girl was creatively slumping and therefore the viewers deserted the show. As for The Mindy Project, the fact that it even got renewed stunned me. It didn't even have good ratings to begin with. FOX better hope that the numbers won't sink further because it's too late for them to garner new fans, unless Zooey Deschanel is in a hit movie. But, that didn't help Mike and Molly with Melissa McCarthy, did it?



I too am proud that NBC found their groove back. It started with the surprise hit of The Voice then it gradually built to The Blacklist, Chicago Fire/PD and so forth. Grimm is also a money maker for NBC Fridays. I wouldn't hold much candle to their sitcom lineup though but I think NBC likes having the cult fanbase sitcoms now such as Parks and Recreation. Yeah, they get low ratings, but at least their ad rates are low? Plus, their DVD and online sales/streaming might contribute largely as well.


I would be somewhat disappointed if Modern Family don't return with a 4.0 ratings, considering how they are the new power hit in off-net syndications. Their repeats perform really well for USA network. I always viewed The Middle like Castle, not a hit but gets stagnant numbers week-by-week and do quite enough to survive. As for Forever, if they can hold onto their audiences (and possibly go up), they might have a good chance at a full season order.

As long as everything else on NBC does well enough that they can ignore that no one but me watches Hannibal and keep renewing it anyway, I'll be happy. I really didn't like Grimm but I only saw the pilot, I guess it must have improved since then.