FOX sliding.. actually plummeting! That is crazy low for Family Guy, is it not?

Once dropped, but it's still above 3.0, I seem to remember last year barely getting 2.0 towards the end of the season.

I predict....

Supernatural- 2.45m (1.0)
The Originals- 1.85m (0.7)

Not crazy low but yeah, a decrease more than normal. But it's still doing better than simpsons and burger's.


Sounds about right

But they haven't paired up Arrow and The Flash on the same night have they? I thought Tuesday's pairing was The Flash and Supernatural with Arrow Wednesdays?

Just checked, The Flash leads into Supernatural on Tuesdays and for the first two Wednesday's The CW are repeating the previous days Flash episode at 9pm but I don't think this is a permanent plan by the article.
http://tvline.com/2014/06/25/cw-fall...mpire-diaries/



Tonight's Supernatural isn't the new episode either, it's a 'retrospective' special to celebrate reaching 10 seasons but will be interesting to see how it rates.

Like Gotham, The flash been hugely hyped before a script was even written.

I am in two minds myself whether i want to check it out

I am not fond of Arrow
and it will likely be all a bunch of serizlised nonsense without any opportunity for standalones, allowing the flash to take on different monsters each episode, like the original 1990 series did.

Monday preliminary (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...s-down/311654/)

NBC
The Voice - 3.6
The Blacklist - 2.7

CBS
The Big Bang Theory - 4.4
The Big Bang Theory (r) - 2.9
Scorpion - 2.5
NCIS: LA - 1.6

FOX
Gotham - 2.5
Sleepy Hollow - 1.7

ABC
Dancing with the Stars - 1.8
Castle - 1.9

The CW
The Originals - 0.7
Supernatural Recap Special - 0.5

Sleepy hollow got about 4 million but earned a good 1.7

The Originals did the way I expected. It will probably get to an average of 0.6, I can't see it dropping below 0.5. It seems to have a loyal fanbase.

For a Fox show, this season, that's pretty rock solid ratings. Gotham is doing well, and performing even stronger in the L+3 and L+7 ratings - one of the biggest shows in increasing it's ratings. Fox's Monday is pretty secure, I'd say. The rest of the week, well, that's a different story!

Is it me or does The Big Bang Theory seem to be struggling to gain any traction on Monday's? I swear it was rating better in the spring. I guess it's airing against much tougher opposition with The Voice sucking up the demo and Dancing with the Stars taking in a wider audience. It doesn't exactly help that it's followed by a repeat, even if it is another Big Bang episode.

I don't think they care for now, TBH. It's a ridiculously high rating placeholder there, until the football finishes on Thursdays. Then TBBT moves to it's usual home, and that's where it needs to be sustaining itself for the rest of the season with the really big numbers. Sweeps aren't until November - that's when the ratings really count!

Maybe viewer fatigue is setting in with TBBT. No show can keep ratings that high forever. We'll see how it does when it moves back to Thursday.

Monday finals - The Big Bang Theory, The Voice, Dancing with the Stars, Castle adjusted up a tenth, The Blacklist adjusted down a tenth http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...d-down/311611/

I'm pretty sure basically every other show on TV right now would kill to be labelled as having 'viewer fatigue' with a 4.5 rating, and nearly 16 million viewers! It's not really down very much at all, especially when you look at just how crazy crammed the competition is for that timeslot. There's very few other times during the week where every network is airing such strong competition for TBBT's audience. The show is still the timeslot winner, by a pretty wide margin.

The equivalent episode last year got a 5.1 and 17.6 million viewers, so a drop of 0.6 and nearly two million viewers is still significant nonetheless. Nobody was suggesting it's anything other than a beast, but when we're talking about TBBT there's no point comparing it to anything else because it's on a completely different level.

We'll see how it does on Thursdays but it could potentially be early signs of a long-term decline. Obviously though it has plenty of room to fall before it even gets close to danger.

Well The Big Bang Theory has already been renewed for 3 seasons so its in no danger whatsoever and its surely the least of CBS worries, NCIS:LA is really falling hard, its a tough timeslot but its down almost a full ratings point on the average from last year and not holding the audience from Scorpion that well.

Monday finals in full:

CBS:
The Big Bang Theory- 15.75m (4.5)
The Big Bang Theory (r)- 11.72m (2.9)
Scorpion- 11.93m (2.5)
NCIS LA - 8.68m (1.6)

NBC:
The Voice- 12.41m (3.7)
The Blacklist- 9.98m (2.6)

FOX:
Gotham- 6.36m (2.5)
Sleepy Hollow- 4.46m (1.7)

ABC:
Dancing With The Stars- 12.74m (1.9)
Castle- 9.90m (2.0)

CW:
The Originals- 1.36m (0.7)
Supernatural RECAP episode- 1.07m (0.5)

it's possible the night change is the reason for the drop, who knows. As an interesting comparison, for one of the other big hitters, Modern Family posted a 3.7 last week, compared to a 4.2 the comparable week a year earlier. That's a 0.5 drop, so not dissimilar to TBBT's drop. I think all the numbers are down, across the board - we just won't be able to see that picture fully for a little while yet. I'm not entirely sure it can be called viewer fatigue, I just think it's 'viewer drift' - people are watching, just not live, and not in the formats they used to. Although, with MF, I'd entirely buy that there is viewer fatigue - I'm definitely bored of that one!

NCIS LA was lead in dependent of NCIS and CBS should have moved it much earlier. I think itll be renewed anyway but it needs a better slot

Yes, I think NCIS:LA is getting much lower ratings this season because its been moved away from the original NCIS. Plus it’s up against The Blacklist which is doing extremely well on NBC.

I read somewhere that The Blacklist will be moving nights after it takes its mid season break, maybe NCIS:LA will improve after that. Or maybe CBS will move NCIS:LA to a different day. As a programme its proved itself as consistently popular over the past 4 years, so I doubt CBS will do anything drastic based on its current performance.

Quite a few of CBS's shows are falling in demos

CSI, The good wife, Blue bloods, Hawaii, NCIS: LA are earning less 2.0. CSI, the good wife, blue loods and hawaii all struggling to earn 1.5. But like others said, the change in timeslot could be why LA has seen a decline.

But as we’ve said earlier in this thread, Blue Bloods and Hawaii Five O are broadcast on a Friday night, when there less than 2.0 demo is actually quite acceptable and makes them two of the most watched programmes of the night. But NCIS:LA airs on a Monday night, where there are more available viewers up for grabs and the expectations are somewhat higher.

EARLY BREAKING NEWS:

According to household ratings, The Flash on CW was the highest rated CW show since 90210 on the 2nd September 2008. Holy crap

I would assume regardless of a friday, a 1.2/1.3 isn't good though. Especially for an expensive show, which i assume Hawaii must be.

I am a little unsure and could be wrong but just seems to me, regardless of airing on a friday, i find those demos very poor. I think any network wouldn''t be happy with those numbers.

Just a thought.

90210 premiered to 4.65 million viewers so anything around that region or higher

TBH after the dismal performances of Hostages and Intelligence last season, NCIS LA is an improvement. Once The Blacklist moves to Thursdays, I could see NCIS LA improving but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up moving to say Tuesdays at 10pm which would be overkill IMO and CBS move PoI or one of their mid season dramas to Mondays


Hawaii Five-0 and Blue Bloods are produced by CBS TV Studios so CBS can accept the low demo as they'll likely make a ton of money from syndication.