Big Bang Theory will see an increase once people realize it's back on Thursdays, I think CBS will be willing to let Mom grow so it's safe. The McCarthys is not going to get a full pickups especially when CBS has Mike and Molly and The Odd Couple ready to replace it.

Those are some huge adjustments - TAAHM down 0.3, Gracepoint up by 0.4?! Seems like you really can't trust those overnights any more, given just how widely they're swinging right now.

Also, I can't see Elementary lasting much longer if 1.2 was it's launch number! Unless they can stage a turnaround and bring up those ratings in the next few weeks, I think they'll struggle to get through to midseason before they're cut. They're on 48 episodes as of the end of season 2. There's an awful long way to go to syndication numbers, if that's what people are counting on to keep it on air. If they were in season 4, I'd say it was a given they'd see out the full season - with just 2 full seasons in the bag, I'd not count on the network hanging onto this one for 2 full seasons, just to get it to syndication.

BTW, whilst I have a soft spot for Charlie Brown, it's sort of horribly depressing to realise that this 50 year old cartoon came 2nd in it's timeslot! Would GA really have fared so badly against TBBT - it wasn't a season premiere, just a timeslot change (although they had a surprise guest appearance by Billy Bob Thornton - which wasn't advertised)? I guess the network didn't want to risk the ratings dip, and headlines that would accompany the dip!

CBS was prempted by football in Charlotte hence why there was downward adjustments.

Given Elementary's poor start, I do wonder whether its in danger of being cut short since CBS has two midseason dramas. Battle Creek could potentially air on Thursdays

That's even worse for Elementary

Being a CBS production they will do everything possible to get s forth season for Syndication, but I can see it being moved or delayed mid season to show a new drama.

With A-Z cancelled, that marks British Actress Lenora Crichlow's second flop US televison series in less than 18 months.

I thought for a bit of fun or interest, we could do our own predictions for next year's renewals and cancellations, purely based on the first two months.

I know it is very early, but if we do it, and then look back next May, we can see what we were right on or not.

I'll go

FOX
The Simpsons - Renewed
The Family Guy - Renewed
Bob's Burgers - Unsure (depends how Bordertown does but it is the lowest rated out of all the animated shows and it will qualify Syndication once the season is over)
Bones - Renewed (Final season)
Glee - Final season confirmed anyway
The Following - Yet to air
Sleepy Hollow - Renewed
Red Band Society - Cancelled
Gracepoint - Cancelled
Gotham - Renewed
New Girl - Renewed
The Mindy Project - Cancelled
Brooklyn 99 - Renewed
Mulaney - Cancelled

CBS
CSI - Unsure
NCIS - Renewed
The Mentalist - Final season confirmed
NCIS: LA - Renewed
The Good Wife - Renewed for seventh final season
Hawaii Five-O - Cancelled
Blue Bloods - Renewed
Person Of Interest - Renewed
Elementary - Renewed but purely for syndication purposes.
Madam Secretary - Cancelled
Scorpion - Renewed
NCIS: NO - Renewed
Stalker - Unsure
Two and half men - Final season confirmed
Big Bang theory - Renewed till season 10
Mike and Molly - Yet to air
2 Broke Girls - Renewed
Mom - Renewed
The Millers - Unsure
The Mccarthy's - Too early to know

NBC
L&O: SVU - Renewed
Parenthood - Final season confirmed
Grimm - Renewed
Chicago Fire - Renewed
Hannibal - Yet to air
The Blacklist - Renewed
Chicago PD - Unsure
The Mysteries Of Laura - Cancelled
Constantine - Unsure
Parks and Rec - Final season confirmed
About a Boy - Unsure
Bad Judge - Already cancelled
A-Z - Already cancelled
Marry Me - Renewed

ABC
Grey's Anatomy - Renewed
Castle - Renewed
Revenge - Cancelled
Once upon a time - Renewed
Scandal - Renewed
Nashville - Renewed (for syndication purposes)
Agents of Shield - Renewed
Resurrection - Cancelled
Forever - Cancelled (i believe this will be a future cancellation ASAP)
How To Get Away With Murder - Renewal (i expect a very early renewal)
Modern Family - Renewed
The Middle - Renewed
Last Man Standing - Unsure
The Goldbergs - Renewed
Black-ish - Renewed
Selfie - Cancelled (i believe this will be a future cancellation ASAP)
Cristela - Cancelled

The CW
Supernatural - Renewed for final season
The Vampire Diaries - Renewed for final season
Hart of Dixie - Cancelled (apparently has but no confirmation)
Arrow - Renewed
Beauty and The Beast - Cancelled
The Originals - Unsure
Reign - Unsure
The 100 - Renewed
The Flash - Renewed
Jane The Virgin - Unsure

That was a mistake on my behalf regarding Gracepoint, In the early ratings I accidently wrote 0.4 instead of 0.8, so it didn't double in demo in the finals, it stayed the sane at 0.8

But yes, all the other adjustments were erratic, eg. TAAHM

Damn, bad ratings for NBC last night.

Grimm got a 1.1 and Constantine a 0.9. Why Grimm?

Not looking good for Constantine after all the hype, are they worse numbers than Dracula last year?

Dracula started with 1.8 and dropped to 1.3 in the 2nd episode.
Constantine started with 1.4 and dropped to 0.9.

So, yep, by quite a bit.

A dreadful night all round apart from Shark Tank, and maybe 20/20.

CBS:
The Amazing Race- 5.94m (1.1)
Hawaii Five 0- 9.47m (1.1)
Blue Bloods- 11.19m (1.1)

ABC:
Last Man Standing- 6.55m (1.2)
Cristela- 5.42m (1.0)
Shark Tank- 7.62m (2.0)
20/20- 6.12m (1.4)

NBC:
Dateline- 7.26m (1.3)
Grimm- 4.55m (1.1)
Constantine- 3.12m (0.9)

FOX:
Utopia- 1.56m (0.5)
Gotham (r)- 1.22m (0.3)

CW:
Who's Line- 1.13m (0.4)
Americas Next Top Model- 810,000 (0.3)

Really bad night. Halloween just dented everyone. I wouldn't be worried about Constantine yet as everyone was affected. Even Grimm.

The only winner from Halloween Night is Shark Tank!!! All others under 1.5 rating. Amazing how CBS retained the same audiences throughout in 18-49, even if it's a low number.

For those interested, new daytime talk show, Meredith Vieira, has been renewed for a second season (Link: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...tations/135256). Amongst daytime talk shows, Dr Phil, Live! and Ellen are the Top 3 rated shows. Wendy WIlliams reached a series high. The Real, The Doctors and The Better Show are the bottom 3 shows (Link: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...heights/135173).

Just me then

Then again, i am ignored and my opinions often seem less relevant than others. If Salv had done this, you all would of followed and jumped on the idea like a tramp on chips.

I was going to post one too but forgot to. Come on guys, get your predictions in!!

As for your list, I agree with most if it for certain. When I'm on the laptop and not on my phone, I will discuss it further. My phone is just awful when I want to write long posts.

I'm new to the thread and all things US ratings and have little to no understanding of how US network TV works. I only watch a few shows, and I'm still trying to figure out what that household 1.1., 1.2, 0.9 wotsits means. I understand the ratings bit - I'm thick like that, see - but that other figure still perplexes me no matter how much I googled it for an explanation. I get that it is to do with demos 18-49 for obvious reasons. But as a figure, it really doesn't explain itself to me.

So I tend to lurk.

Anywho, of the shows I do watch anf for what it is worth, I think

Madam Secretary is too close to call. I wouldn't be surprised if it was cancelled. But it seems to doing well in the Sunday night slot it has been given. It is safe, inoffensive family viewing, and there is little bite to it at the moment.

Arrow/Flash: renewed
Scandal: renewed
HTGAWM: renewed (and Violet Davies Emmy nomination or I will eat my hat, if I had one)
Castle: renewed for one last season only - what more can they do with show?
Nashville: renewed (just) - perhaps with a shorter one or for one last season
Chicago Fire: renewed.
Chicago PD: too close to call; maybe renewed for a shorter season or else cancelled.
Persons of Interest: renewed.
Graceland: cancelled. Will be surprised but happy if renewed, but I don't know where they can take the show with the finale they had.
Constantine: too early, but 2nd episode was definitely a lot better than the 1st one. It has David S Goyer as Exec Prod and he did the story for the 1st episode which went nowhere. I didn't much like his writing for Man of Steel, so if he writes anymore episodes, it might sink because I really don't like how he writes
The Affair: too early; is it a one off show?
Masters of Sex: renewed

Of the shows I attempted to watch but couldn't get past the first epsiode and judging from the Forever thread, I think it will be cancelled too. Which is a shame because Ioan really needed a break and I wanted him to do well in this. I loved him in Hornblower. He gave an interview some time ago saying how difficult it has been for him to get roles. Constant rejections took its toil and he has to see a psychiatrist.

Oh geesh, why on earth do you constantly make reference to being ignored and feeling like the forum is getting at you? I barely even notice who posts what on this forum let along have any specific desire to ignore certain users. You clearly have some ridiculous chip on your shoulder and no doubt you will accuse me of "bullying" you for writing this. I am writing it because i want you to understand that a) No one is picking on you and b) no one is specifically ignoring you.

I didn't complete a set of predictions because i don't know enough about it and it would take too long for me to do it. I am not that invested in the US ratings to have an opinion on all the tv shows and their likelihood of renewal or cancellation.

PS - I didn't realise posting on the forums was a competition to get noticed anyway.

I do not have a chip on my shoulder and maybe i am over sensitive because i have been bullied on this forum in the past and members do continuallyh agrivate me to get an argument. I have a lot of personal issues that make me the way i am. Nothing i wish to go into and nothing i am using as an excuse. But because that is how it is.

That's fine
I am looking forward to discussing it with you

As far as predicting staying or going I am in no position to give any sort of valid prediction. I do not know enough about US tv to comment, heck my knowledge is based on what is shown in the UK and only at Freeview pace oh and Castle of course.. I am your man to give an opinion on that, but none wants to read my biased witterings (?) about why I think this season could be it for Castle.

Those in bold are the ones I will focus on. They are the more interesting cases IMO

Mindy- For some reason, I feel that they will have their last season next year. FOX seems to adore the show, even sometimes over New Girl. Mindy was actually doing better in the spring than it was in the fall I think, so if anything, would they do a very short summer season?

CSI. I think last year will be its final season, I would say it would be this year, BUT as it's been on so long, they will feel they need to warn viewers who have been loyal to the show because after so many years, it would be harsh to end it quickly.

Madam Secretary- Tricky, but I feel it will be renewed based on consistency, same as Mysteries of Laura.

The McCarthy's will be replaced by Mike and Molly by 2015 I feel for some reason.

Hannibal- Hmm. Critically acclaimed but not doing very well, would they move it to cable? It seems it belongs there on HBO maybe with Game Of Thrones.

About A Boy- Poor show, I have no idea what has happened, I feel it won't see a third season.

Marry Me- Take it away from The Voice, it would be pulling in A to Z numbers I feel. Cancelled.

ABC... spot on for all shows IMO.

Supernatural- I agree with you, last season next year.

Same with TVD. This will leave a big gap for the CW, maybe the CW will be scared to get rid of them both in the same year?

Beauty and The Beast- Who knows? I have no idea with this show!

Utopia CANCELLED.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...by-fox/323115/

I saw this from a mile. It was probably FOX's biggest mistake in broadcasting history, spending so much money on something that ended with a 0.5

RIP Utopia

Salv, i can't help but feel The CW will be lost without supernatural and VD. They have essentially been the show's flaghship shows for years. But then they do have The Flash and Arrow to take over though.