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Old 17-11-2014, 16:46
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A rise for both Revenge and Bobs Burger's. Bob is now in a time new slot and it was swapped over with where Mulaney aired. Have to be honest, this was the first episode of Bob's burgers i have enjoyed in a while. The last few of season 4 sucked and the first few of season 5 saw no improvement.
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Old 17-11-2014, 18:33
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Looks like apart from Gotham, the FOX lineup on Sundays is the only bright spot for FOX at the moment.

Good for B99, Family Guy, The Simpsons and Bobs Burgers. Nice rise for Revenge too.

Full ratings, Sunday early:

CBS:
60 Minutes- 12.46m (1.7)
Madam Secretary- 12.71m (1.5)
The Good Wife- 12.71m (1.3)
CSI- 8.41m (1.3)

ABC:
Americas Funniest Videos- 6.73m (1.5)
Once Upon A Time- 6.60m (2.4)
Revenge- 5.22m (1.5)

FOX:
Football Overrun- 17.67m (6.0)
The OT- 9.46m (3.4)
The Simpsons- 6.64m (2.9)
Brooklyn Nine Nine- 4.50m (2.2)
Family Guy- 4.40m (2.2)
Bobs Burgers- 3.34m (1.7)
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Old 17-11-2014, 18:40
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Indeed. While Last Man Standing is a decent, consistent, performer for ABC (by Friday standards) I thought ABC were just pushing to complete a 4th season for syndication purposes. But now I’m starting to think it might be back for a 5th season next year. Its a traditional sitcom so it probably isn’t too expensive to produce, it depends on what Tim Allen’s salary is.

On a related note hopefully we see season three on Sky 1 soon!
I imagine Fox will push for a fifth season because 100+ episodes in the can will be better for syndication and I imagine they'll give it to ABC for a cheap value in exchange for a lower price for Modern Family.

Madam Secretary while old skewing does seem to be at this point a show that CBS should renew but it really depends on whether or not they want to keep one of the veterans. CSI I think they should announce it as the final season because I think Elementary should move to Sundays if the ratings don't improve.
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Old 17-11-2014, 18:47
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Indeed. While Last Man Standing is a decent, consistent, performer for ABC (by Friday standards) I thought ABC were just pushing to complete a 4th season for syndication purposes. But now I’m starting to think it might be back for a 5th season next year. Its a traditional sitcom so it probably isn’t too expensive to produce, it depends on what Tim Allen’s salary is.
Tim Allen's salary is a lot.

On the subject of Last Man Standing its perhaps worth mentioning that ABC and Fox (who produce the show) have had increasingly contentious negotiations for its renewal every year. The fourth season renewal dragged on for months and Fox ended up leveraging Cristela and Fresh off the Boat (new Fox productions ABC wanted) to get a deal on Last Man Standing. It'll be interesting to see what both sides do this time around. A lot will likely depend on what kind of syndication deal Fox can get for Last Man Standing.
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Old 17-11-2014, 18:51
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I imagine Fox will push for a fifth season because 100+ episodes in the can will be better for syndication and I imagine they'll give it to ABC for a cheap value in exchange for a lower price for Modern Family.
Fox already dropped the license fee once (for the third season renewal) and weren't prepared to do it again during negotiations for the fourth season. I'm not convinced they'll drop it much, if at all, for season five either. It really depends on what kind of syndication deal(s) they can get for Last Man Standing though.

Madam Secretary while old skewing does seem to be at this point a show that CBS should renew but it really depends on whether or not they want to keep one of the veterans. CSI I think they should announce it as the final season because I think Elementary should move to Sundays if the ratings don't improve.
A decision on Madam Secretary will certainly wait until Spring and they get to see how it does away from football (both lead-in and competition). My general theory is that CBS had been hoping that Madam Secretary would become the heir apparent to The Good Wife's throne (critically praised female driven prestige drama) since that'll likely be wrapping next season. That doesn't really seem to be happening though which places them in a bit of a predicament.
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Old 17-11-2014, 19:17
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Fox already dropped the license fee once (for the third season renewal) and weren't prepared to do it again during negotiations for the fourth season. I'm not convinced they'll drop it much, if at all, for season five either. It really depends on what kind of syndication deal(s) they can get for Last Man Standing though .
It's doing well enough for ABC, Last Man Standing does seem like a show that would do decent in syndication and has a name in Tim Allen and if ABC have nothing to replace it with, I think they''ll renew it. They'll be 86-88 episodes by the end of this season so Fox do have enough episodes but 100 episodes would be ideal. Even a shortened 14 episode midseason order would be enough.

It's interesting that out of all the sitcoms that have had big names in it like Michael J Fox Show, Paul Reiser etc Last Man Standing has lasted the longest but I wonder if the fact it's a multicamera sitcom has helped. I know NBC have wanted Roseanne to do another sitcom but they've never found the right one.
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Old 17-11-2014, 19:21
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That Last Man Standing got moved to Friday night is likely the biggest reason its survived. That ABC didn't especially hype it when it debuted (at least not to the same degree NBC did with Michael J Fox and CBS did with Robin Williams) probably helped as well. It wasn't ever given the big new comedy hope that a lot of these star vehicles are which downplayed expectations. Plus Allen while a star isn't a huge star. I suspect had the show been part of the Wednesday night line-up on ABC it would have suffered a very similar fate to The Michael J Fox Show.
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Old 17-11-2014, 20:09
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That Last Man Standing got moved to Friday night is likely the biggest reason its survived. That ABC didn't especially hype it when it debuted (at least not to the same degree NBC did with Michael J Fox and CBS did with Robin Williams) probably helped as well. It wasn't ever given the big new comedy hope that a lot of these star vehicles are which downplayed expectations. Plus Allen while a star isn't a huge star. I suspect had the show been part of the Wednesday night line-up on ABC it would have suffered a very similar fate to The Michael J Fox Show.
Most people know Tim Allen from Home Improvement and as the voice of Buzz Lightyear, people forget that during the 1990s, he was a big name starring in films like The Santa Clause and Jungle 2 Jungle, I think for Toy Story, he was paid more than Tom Hanks but Hanks at the time wasn't known for the films he's known today.
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Old 17-11-2014, 20:25
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I'm not saying Tim Allen isn't a star just that he's not a star on the scale of Michael J Fox or Robin Williams who both launched big new sitcoms last season with bad results.
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Old 17-11-2014, 21:29
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FOX:
Football Overrun- 17.67m (6.0)
The OT- 9.46m (3.4)
The Simpsons- 6.64m (2.9)
Brooklyn Nine Nine- 4.50m (2.2)
Family Guy- 4.40m (2.2)
Bobs Burgers- 3.34m (1.7)
Bob's Burgers did well after their timeslot change. Should have been after Family Guy at start of season, but better late than never. Don't know if it will change their renewal chances though.

Link: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...easons/328704/

The CW has announced three renewals for ANTM, Masters of Illusion and Penn & Teller. Impressive for ANTM as they will be on their 22nd Cycle (12th year overall). Their ratings have been quite stagnant from last year and it is doing alright for a Friday show. Looks like the Guys and Girls format is working for ANTM as Austria's version started incorporating this format as well. Penn & Teller has been doing well for CW summer, so I'm not surprised by their renewal. Don't know much about Masters of Illusion. I assume all three will be back late summer and continuing towards the first part of the fall season.
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Old 18-11-2014, 00:19
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Friday finals. Shark Tank, up. Everything else remains the same

CBS:
The Hollywood Film Awards- 4.10m (0.5)
Post Award Show- 2.45m (0.4)

ABC:
Last Man Standing- 6.98m (1.5)
Cristela- 5.11m (1.1)
Shark Tank- 7.63m (1.8)
20/20- 5.64m (1.2)

NBC:
Dateline- 8.01m (1.5)
Grimm- 5.01m (1.2)
Constantine- 3.47m (0.8)

CW:
Who's Line- 1.65m (0.5)
ANTM- 1.19m (0.4)

Happy Grimm didn't adjust down, but wish it could hit the mid 1s now! Ouch Constantine.
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Old 18-11-2014, 10:12
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Bob's Burger's renewal chances could depend on how well Bordertown does. But if the show continued to post great demos in it's new time slow, it's safe anyway. FOX obviously have a soft spot for it, as realistically, it should of been cancelled about 2/3 seasons ago as it's ratings have never been good. Much like The Cleveland show. That never had good ratings but they kept it on long enough for syndication. But Bob's Burgers has what the cleveland show never had. That is critical acclaim and an emmy win.
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Old 18-11-2014, 12:48
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Very true. Critical success and Emmys don't pay rent but can bring opportunities for DVD/iTunes sales and streaming from Netflix, Hulu like Arrested Development. Most likely the reason why The Good Wife is still on the air. CBS is still boasting their continued Emmy and other award successes. Their ratings are crap but at least they have a potential to do well in off-net/cable syndications.
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Old 18-11-2014, 16:21
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State of Affairs off to an OK start for NBC. A 2.2 and the half hours aren't bad either - 2.3 and 2.1 - so audiences didn't bail on mass across the run.
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Old 18-11-2014, 16:27
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Full numbers.

Worth mentioning that ABC were apparently pre-empted for football against last night so their numbers may be subject to more than usual adjustments.

ABC
8PM: Dancing with the Stars – 2.4
10PM: Castle – 2.0

CBS
8PM: 2 Broke Girl – 2.1
8:30PM: The Millers – 1.5
9PM: Scorpion – 2.0
10PM: NCIS: LA – 1.7

Fox
8PM: Gotham – 2.3
9PM: Sleepy Hollow – 1.5

NBC
8PM: The Voice – 3.0
10PM: State of Affairs – 2.2

The CW
8PM: The Originals – 0.7
9PM: Jane the Virgin – 0.4

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An OK start for State of Affairs. Obviously the test now is how it holds in week two but its not DOA so NBC can breathe a sign of relief on that.

Everywhere else (excluding ABC football inflation) its pretty much business as usual. Sleepy Hollow's numbers continue to look awful relative to Gotham's but strong relative to Fox as a whole. That's an odd situation for Fox to address or not. The Millers doing badly and potentially dragging Scorpion and possibly even 2 Broke Girls down with it. Be interesting to see how the CBS Monday line-up does when its replaced presumably by Mike & Molly. A nice week-on-week boost for NCIS: LA though which seems to have scooped up some Blacklist viewers.
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Old 18-11-2014, 16:54
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Mike and Molly has been confirmed to take over The Millers from December 1st
The show will premiere with 4 new episodes, but will resume to the usual one episode a week from the 8th.
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Old 18-11-2014, 16:58
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The Blacklist was dragging down both Castle and NCIS LA so I think of State of Affairs drops next again, we could see both see further gains.
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Old 18-11-2014, 17:40
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A decision on Madam Secretary will certainly wait until Spring and they get to see how it does away from football (both lead-in and competition). My general theory is that CBS had been hoping that Madam Secretary would become the heir apparent to The Good Wife's throne (critically praised female driven prestige drama) since that'll likely be wrapping next season. That doesn't really seem to be happening though which places them in a bit of a predicament.
That makes sense.

On that basis, I don't think it is anywhere near the heir apparent to The Good Wife. From the get go - it's 1st season - The Good Wife hit the ground running. Not so with Madam Secretary. I think it is beginning to settle in with the characters starting to gel, but while The Good Wife have a great ensemble of strong cast characters (although I think winding up the show soon is a good idea), Madam Secretary only have Tea Leoni, Tim Daly and (maybe) Bebe Neuwirth carrying the show. Well, in my view anyway. It's a pretty tame show compared with TGW.

Poor Constantine. It really is struggling. Just hasn't worked as well as Arrow and The Flash. Looks like just another TV show based on the supernatural theme with nothing new to say about that genre. And a lot of exposition writing to go with it.
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Old 18-11-2014, 17:54
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Mike and Molly has been confirmed to take over The Millers from December 1st
The show will premiere with 4 new episodes, but will resume to the usual one episode a week from the 8th.
The December 1 episodes are in fact repeats. The fifth season will begin December 8.
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Old 18-11-2014, 17:57
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Full numbers.

Worth mentioning that ABC were apparently pre-empted for football against last night so their numbers may be subject to more than usual adjustments.

ABC
8PM: Dancing with the Stars – 2.4
10PM: Castle – 2.0

CBS
8PM: 2 Broke Girl – 2.1
8:30PM: The Millers – 1.5
9PM: Scorpion – 2.0
10PM: NCIS: LA – 1.7

Fox
8PM: Gotham – 2.3
9PM: Sleepy Hollow – 1.5

NBC
8PM: The Voice – 3.0
10PM: State of Affairs – 2.2

The CW
8PM: The Originals – 0.7
9PM: Jane the Virgin – 0.4

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An OK start for State of Affairs. Obviously the test now is how it holds in week two but its not DOA so NBC can breathe a sign of relief on that.

Everywhere else (excluding ABC football inflation) its pretty much business as usual. Sleepy Hollow's numbers continue to look awful relative to Gotham's but strong relative to Fox as a whole. That's an odd situation for Fox to address or not. The Millers doing badly and potentially dragging Scorpion and possibly even 2 Broke Girls down with it. Be interesting to see how the CBS Monday line-up does when its replaced presumably by Mike & Molly. A nice week-on-week boost for NCIS: LA though which seems to have scooped up some Blacklist viewers.
ABC will lose quite a bit in the finals, Castle is way too high (around 4 tenths or so) as is DWTS.

CBS- Great that 2 Broke Girls is back in the 2s, didn't help The Millers in its joint series low.

NBC- I expected better for SoA really, probably around 2.5, but then again, I expected The Voice at around 3.2 or something. The retention is decent though. Had it aired after The Voice auditions, SoA probably would have been in the mid 2s. It will drop to the high 1s next week.

FOX- Good for Gotham's rise.

CW- Good for The Originals, isn't that three 0.7 now? Seems like it's certainly on the safe side at the moment. Not good for Jane.
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Old 18-11-2014, 21:07
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The Millers really did awful but I won't be surprised if Mike and Molly gets similar numbers, when it returns (despite the rising status of Melissa McCarthy, who seemingly wants out of the show). State of Affairs numbers are just as I have predicted. As long as they don't go below 1.6, they should be fine. Then again, they might be overtaken by Castle and/or NCIS:LA in coming weeks and that won't look good for SoA.
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Old 18-11-2014, 21:20
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The Millers really did awful but I won't be surprised if Mike and Molly gets similar numbers, when it returns (despite the rising status of Melissa McCarthy, who seemingly wants out of the show)
I'd be very surprised.

Mike & Molly did significantly better numbers than The Millers when it returned last season and arguably in a much tougher slot (Monday at 9). On December 9 last season surrounded by repeats Mike & Molly did a 2.0. There's no reason why it shouldn't at least be able to match that when it returns December 8 this year.
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Old 18-11-2014, 22:17
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Castle adjusted down two tenths, DWTS one tenth, but still at a very high rating. (best this year?), The Voice and Sleepy Hollow adjusted up one tenth.

CBS:
8PM: 2 Broke Girls – 7.90m (2.1)
8:30PM: The Millers – 6.31m (1.5)
9PM: Scorpion – 10.17m (2.0)
10PM: NCIS: LA – 8.82m (1.7)

ABC
8PM: Dancing with the Stars – 14.29m (2.3)
10PM: Castle – 9.38m (1.8)

Fox
8PM: Gotham – 6.49m (2.3)
9PM: Sleepy Hollow – 4.68m (1.6)

NBC
8PM: The Voice – 11.13m (3.1)
10PM: State of Affairs – 8.69m (2.2)

The CW
8PM: The Originals – 1.44m (0.7)
9PM: Jane the Virgin – 1.09m (0.4)
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Old 18-11-2014, 23:58
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I'd be very surprised.

Mike & Molly did significantly better numbers than The Millers when it returned last season and arguably in a much tougher slot (Monday at 9). On December 9 last season surrounded by repeats Mike & Molly did a 2.0. There's no reason why it shouldn't at least be able to match that when it returns December 8 this year.
Mike and Molly likely will do okay, it's essentially the utility show filling the role Rules of Engagement used to fill every season. I think Melissa McCarthy despite having a rising film career probably would stick to Mike and Molly for at least another season because it's steady income with a set schedule and I imagine out of loyalty, she won't bail on it until her contract runs out.
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Old 19-11-2014, 14:46
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According to households... bad ratings for every comedy airing last night... New Girl, Mindy, About A Boy and Marry Me... and same for drama Forever

Winners- “NCIS” (CBS), “The Voice” (NBC), “The Flash” (CW), “NCIS: New Orleans” (CBS), “Chicago Fire” (NBC)

-Honorable Mention:
“MasterChef Junior” (Fox)
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