I bet FOX are well pissed with how terrible Scream queens is gone. Along with the return of The X Files, it was hyped and predicted to be their breakout hit of the season.

I enjoy it but I can see why it has flopped. The humor isn't to everyone's taste and it's just a long line of many other horror shows around.

Dana Walden (Fox head) has already 'instructed' Ryan Murphy to create a new procedural. Dana's recent comments about SQ were fascinating recently, really telling that they're hanging onto those streaming, DVR, +3 and +7 numbers, and just how they dealt with Ryan's giant pout about his new show!

Based on big delayed viewing numbers, Fox is feeling bullish about “Scream Queens.” Fox Television Group Chairman and CEO Dana Walden said once Nielsen and multiplatform numbers for seven days of playback are available in two weeks, she expects the show to have earned in delayed viewing an audience comparable in size to what the broadcast premiere drew in live-plus-same day ratings on Tuesday night. “We would be ecstatic with that,” Walden said. Asked whether, should it meet her seven-day expectations and go on to maintain those numbers with future episodes, “Scream Queens” would be renewable, Walden — who oversees Fox Broadcasting and the company’s television-studio operations with colleague Gary Newman — responded, “Absolutely. If it continues to perform this way throughout a measurable period of time — where our advertisers are more inclined now to look at this type of performance, and we’ve got many sponsor partners on this show — this show is beyond viable. This is a show that any network would be happy to have, any streaming service would be happy to have.”

“Scream Queens” creator and executive producer Ryan Murphy isn’t looking to push Fox on a renewal decision. “I wouldn’t expect anything until after episode 6, which runs the Halloween week,” Murphy told TheWrap. “I wouldn’t expect or ask or even presume to get a season 2 pickup before then, because I don’t think it’s fair.” He added, “Now with the changing landscape, that’s how long it takes to get the data. I think that I understand now in a way that I didn’t before that Dana and Gary have an obligation to go to advertisers, who’ve put up a lot of money for this show, and say after five weeks, ‘Look, it all paid off, here’s the proof in the pudding.'” Fox on Sunday released multiplatform and Nielsen delayed-viewing numbers for the “Scream Queens” premiere that revealed a total audience of 7.3 million viewers over the course of the premiere and three days of playback — up 80 percent from Nielsen’s live-plus same day audience for the Tuesday debut.

Those initial Nielsen numbers — a 1.7 rating in the 18-49 demo and 4 million total viewers — came in below Fox expectations. But the network points to the delayed viewing numbers and a strong performance therein in the 18-34 demo as evidence that “Scream Queens,” which Fox spent more on marketing than for any other new show this fall, that the show is an indicator of the changing ways in which younger viewers are consuming TV rather than a victim of lack of interest. Murphy said that he spoke with Walden and Newman Wednesday after the initial live-plus-same day numbers came in. “When I saw those numbers the next morning I was confused and a little upset,” Murphy said. “I called Dana and Gary and said, ‘This doesn’t make sense to me.'” He spoke to them about seeing the show rank as the No. 1 trending topic on Twitter the night before, and not seeing that kind of interest reflected in the ratings. “They were good parents, as they always were, to me and said, ‘Wait a minute. Take a beat.’ Because based on their research that morning they were seeing a hug uptick on Fox.com. And they said, ‘Something is happening, but we don’t know what that is, and we’re not going to know for three days, and we might not really know for seven days or even 30 days.’ I think that’s what’s interesting now.”

So, mostly Fox trying to spin the numbers, but so interesting what's happening with a show that's top trending on twitter, and it's not reflected even a tiny bit in those Nielsen numbers.

Also, Fox still hanging onto Ryan, but pushing him into 'cookie cutter' type procedural programming, sounds like square peg in round hole stuff! if anyone was less suited to attempt that kind of show, it's Ryan Murphy! SQ was a valiant attempt to turn American Horror Story into something that was palatable for a network audience. The idea's great, the execution is horrible! As a Glee fan, I'm convinced that 22-24 episodes for that final season would have managed the same numbers that SQ is hitting, but costs would have been so much lower (existing sets etc), so the financial hits Fox is suffering would have been so much less. It's pretty widely accepted that Ryan traded his guaranteed season 6 of Glee for an early pick up of SQ. So, Glee got reduced down to a 13 episode final season very late on in negotiations, and SQ was fast tracked through - I suspect to its detriment, because the network didn't pull back on those Ryan Murphy excesses where they just run rampant over SQ's script!

I think Ryan Murphy needs to do something different from AHS and Scream Queens. Given how successful Nip/Tuck was, I wonder why Fox hasn't asked to create a soap opera type show that could be like a sister show to Empire.

I agree he needs to move well away from the teen/horror genres, but procedurals aren't his bag, I suspect!

Given the success of Empire, I would strongly suspect a spin-off has been mooted. However, isn't Empire 'soapy' enough already?! US TV really doesn't do prime time soaps - limited dramas (whether it's a 12-episode season or the standard 22) are much better suited to prime time. Fox does need to find a long running concept - they're desperately short of that, plus a live talent/reality concept for the Fall schedule - but that's a different ballgame entirely. American Idol isn't going to get any new viewers and it is sure to die a very slow death for it's last season! If only the previous attempt at US Bake Off hadn't crashed and burned, they could have brought that over, with added Mary Berry for authenticity!

You'd also be very wrong.

I think Glee fans tend to forget just how bad its ratings were by the end of its run. Season 6 didn't break a 1 in the demo (Live+SD) once and was comfortably out rated every week by World's Funniest Fails. Its also difficult to argue that this was a side effect of being moved to Friday night. Glee ended its fifth season (on a Tuesday) with a 0.6 in the demo. You have to go back to April 2014 for the last time Glee hit a 1.0 in the demo. And even adding the DVR numbers into the mix doesn't pain a pretty picture. The season five final got a 1.2 with DVR numbers included and the series finale the following year ended with a 1.3 with DVR viewing. So even with DVR viewing its struggling to match what Scream Queens is currently doing Live+SD.


This isn't really what happened.

Fox wanted out of more episodes of Glee because it had become a commercial and critical disaster by this point. Regardless of whether Murphy leveraged a pick-up for Scream Queens or not there wouldn't have been more episodes of Glee. Fox had actually made it very clear for sometime that they didn't want a full length final season of Glee.


Presumably because they have experience of Glee.

Ryan Murphy simply isn't someone you want involved in writing multi-season television he's terrible at it and he's always been terrible at it. He's like Tim Kring on steroids. He has good ideas but no sense of continuity or development. He can get a good season or two out of a show and then it just implodes in on itself. This is what happened with Nip/Tuck, it happened with Glee and it was happening with Popular before it got canned. Even American Horror Story is somehow collapsing in on itself at this point.

Code Black hit 1.1 last nigh
Awful. Another flop of the season

Minority Report, Grandfathered, The Grinder, Scream Queens, The Player and Blood and Oil are all flopping at the moment. The Muppets and Life In Pieces are losing more and more viewers by the episode. It won't be long until they join the danger zone.

Nashville hit a 1.1, I wonder if ABC will bother to cancel it months ahead or will the writers get an idea and give it a series finale without an announcement like they did with Revenge.

Good thing that CBS has Rush Hour and Criminal Minds Beyond Borders as well as PoI on deck. CBS has been trying to find a medical drama for years but have not succeeded.

CBS has yet to announce their post Superbowl show but I imagine it's either Scorpion, Supergirl or Rush Hour.

NBC have two medical shows coming soon. Chicago Med and Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker was slaughtered by critics and has gone into major redevelopment. It was meant to premiere this month or november but NBC pushed it to midseason back in the summer so they could mend it. Chicago Med has the benefit of being apart of the Chicago Fire/PD family.

I can't wait to see who will be the first casualty, but there is many to choose from. ABC were the first ones to call cancellation last season with Manhattan Love Story.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...7-2015/477188/
Here they are.

American Horror Story: Hotel opens with a 3.0 rating and 5.81 million viewers, slipping slightly from the 3.1 / 6.13m the Freak Show premiere earned but miles ahead of the 1.6 / 3.27m it had for its finale.

I believe they pushed Heartbreaker back due to Melissa George's real-life pregnancy.

I hope so, I mean I am a big fan but surely everyone realises this is going to be the final series and will work on that basis. A series like this doesn't need a final conclusion really though as long as no big cliff hangers are left at the end. I suppose the best way to end it would be with rayna and deacon finally getting married, assuming he survives the liver cancer (no spoilers please), juliettte and what's his name renewing their vows, gunner and Scarlett hitting number one and marrying, Layla and Jeff marrying, will and Kevin marrying and Maddy releasing her first single. Seems like the happiest way to conclude the series to me.

You say a show like Nashville doesn't need a final conclusion but then you go and list ideas for what is essentially a final conclusion. Everyone show deserves a final conclusion and I am sure Nashville will get one.

I said "i suppose" but I stand by the point that it doesn't need a final conclusion. As long as it ends with no major cliffhanger then it is fine, it isn't like a story that would need an end, say like Lost, fringe or as you mentioned, revenge which needed a big resolution and if axed without one would have been very irritating. Nashville is not the same type of show so would be OK without one.

Ahh i see what you mean

Its a little bit of A and a little bit of B.

Melissa George's pregnancy would have necessitated the series be delayed regardless but it looks as if the producers and network are taking the extra time to overhaul the show a little bit as well. This is not a bad thing the original pilot is fairly awful and plays out a lot like a piece of Grey's Anatomy fan fiction.

Regardless I have doubts about this series seeing the light of day during the regular season. I'd be surprised if Chicago Med doesn't get a back order. It'll be in a Voice/Chicago Fire sandwich which should be a recipe for some sort of success all things considered. Plus Night Shift got a third season order which I currently suspect may end up occupying Monday nights (along with Biggest Loser since they probably won't have time to turn around Celebrity Apprentice) when The Voice and Blindspot go on hiatus. The idea they'll have three medical dramas airing basically simultaneously seems unlikely.

Apparently Sleepy Hollow earned a 0.8 last night

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/10/rat...ober-2015.html
Sleepy Hollow managed 1.0. Heroes falls to 1.2. The Originals premieres low. Scandal dominates the night again.

How To Get Away With Murder is having a bit of a rough ride this season. Its down 32% season to date vs. last year. Scandal is holding up a lot better dropping about 15% season to date while Grey's is down 11%. I wonder if it being a returnable series was just a bad call on ABC's part. Its obviously not in disaster territory at this point but if it continues this kind of decline across the season it could get ugly.

I am a bit worried about Murder as well. Maybe the fact it was off the air for six months did not help. But then the lead actress winning an emmy gave the show tons of coverage. Or people are simply not enjoying season 2.

Looks like they'll be one less slot for a returning sitcom as CBS has ordered 13 episodes of a sitcom with Kevin James for 2016. I'm surprised Kevin James is returning to television as he's not done badly with movies but I imagine CBS are banking on his name to draw in viewers.

Life In Pieces is losing viewers by the episode so i would say that is one sitcom i can't see being around a year from now.

I see. I watched the trailer and wasn't impressed at all.

Damn.

How to Get Away with Murder and Grey's Anatomy adjusted up: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...8-2015/477299/