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Old 08-10-2013, 20:11
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Hi, can anyone suggest a good idiot-proof anti virus package?

Doesn't have to be free, but it does have to protect a user against themselves - you know, the sort of user that can't help themselves clicking on executable attachments and typing their credit card details into phishing sites etc. I'm looking for something that will stop them being their own worst enemy, and basically prevent them doing all that.

Also if it can keep itself up to date without asking questions, like 'do you want to update?' - it needs to just get on with it itself, because the user in question gets a bit flustered with what might seem to most people, like bloody obvious questions.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!
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Old 08-10-2013, 20:59
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Panda Cloud Free version

http://www.cloudantivirus.com/en/#!/...virus-download
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Old 08-10-2013, 21:45
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It makes no difference what AV product is recommended because none of them offer a 100% guarantee that you won't get infected. However, any of them is better than none at all.

But there is another way of protecting a system against virus and malware and that is to browse only in a sandboxed environment. There are programs that have been around for yonks like SandboxIE and SecureBrowser that once installed and run will offer the kind of idiot-proof browsing experience you are seeking. When browsing in a sandboxed environment it really doesn't matter what you click on as any infection will be contained within the virtual area created by the program, once the browsing session is closed, everything within the sandbox is automatically deleted, so, nothing can get though to your system files.

Like anything different it takes a bit of learning on how to download and save "safe" programs from within the virtual area but once mastered you can browse safely to your heart's content knowing that your system will be safe from any nasties.
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Old 08-10-2013, 21:47
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Against that sort of person the best thing is to take the machine away from them, stopping people like you have said from doing stupid stuff is almost impossible as malware/viruses will have to exist in the wild before the anti virus companies can find it and sort it out

Depending on the skill/support to the person to learn a new OS i'd say linux would be a good cheap thing to slap on the machine but realistically it dont matter what you do if you have someone gullible in front of the keyboard it's going to be nasty
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Old 08-10-2013, 23:43
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Thanks for the suggestions, I'm going to try him with Panda cloud, but longer term, I reckon some sort of sandbox environment would be the solution. When he downloads a whole bunch of malware yet again, we can just dump the sandbox environment and create a new clean one.

Now I only have to work out how to stop him handing over credit card details to Amazon resellers who were created yesterday, sell only a couple of different 150 items, and have zero feedback!
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:51
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Avast free is pretty good like that.

With the standard settings it'll quite happily block web-pages, stop pop-ups and delete/quarantine files you've downloaded if it thinks there's anything iffy about them.

It actually seems especially savage about blocking pop-ups and file access, to the point where it's decided to quarantine stuff like spreadsheets I've had for years, because they've got macro's in them.

That can actually be a bit of a PITA for somebody who requires a bit of flexibility but it's probably good for people who might be easily misled.

*EDIT*
Also, I'd suggest setting up such a person's computer so that there's an Admin account called, erm, "Admin" and demoting the person's personal login to "User" so the windows UAC will also prevent them from installing stuff and it means they'll also have the Admin account available to access the computer is malware does manage to mess with the user account they normally use.
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Old 09-10-2013, 06:47
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I doubt any AV program will stop anyone dumb enough to give out their credit card details to anyone who asks. Get them an Etch-A-Sketch instead: if they're that dim they probably won't notice.
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Old 09-10-2013, 20:54
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Hmmm. I've given some thought to this and perhaps a combination of the free Avira http://www.avira.com/en/avira-free-antivirus, Malware Bytes (periodic manual scan) http://www.malwarebytes.org/ and Trusteer Rapport http://www.natwest.com/personal/onli.../download.ashx might be what you're looking for. I'd also suggest getting an Ad-block add on for whatever browser you're using to stop another source of malware infection.
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Old 09-10-2013, 22:30
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Hmmm. I've given some thought to this and perhaps a combination of the free Avira http://www.avira.com/en/avira-free-antivirus, Malware Bytes (periodic manual scan) http://www.malwarebytes.org/ and Trusteer Rapport http://www.natwest.com/personal/onli.../download.ashx might be what you're looking for. I'd also suggest getting an Ad-block add on for whatever browser you're using to stop another source of malware infection.
I'd give Trusteer Rapport a very wide berth. At best it's ineffective and at worst it's a menace.
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Old 15-10-2013, 19:43
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Cheers, I will try him with Avira. Already put malwarebytes on - 149 malware programs detected!

I'm now thinking the credit card thing is his banks problem, they're the ones that have to keep doing charge backs. They can confiscate his card when they get fed up!
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Old 15-10-2013, 23:00
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Get him to change his browser to Firefox and use the ad-on ABP and install a hosts file, he will be that much safer.
You can't do much about the credit card apart from cut it up but the above advice may present him with less opportunity to use it.
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Old 15-10-2013, 23:03
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Education.
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Old 16-10-2013, 13:49
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Trusteer Rapport will slow down your system
Plus its not needed if you are sensible
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Old 16-10-2013, 18:06
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I don't agree that Rapport slows down your system.

For the first time in ages the activity report has shown that anti-keylogging was activated on two occasions.

And today I have received notice from the bank that there was a debit from blinkbox on my credit card. The card has been cancelled.

Avast and Malwarebytes scans (including rootkit) have been clear all the time.

I had patched the IE 0-day. I use Secunia PSI to update the software. I don't run Java enabled in the browser.

I think I know where it's come from. A UPS parcel delivery e-mail that I used to test the AV. All clear. Put it on another system running MSE and it immediately deleted all traces.

That's a slam-dunk for MSE - against current advice many leading sites would have you believe. Yes, the 'clean' system is the one I'm worried about with the add-on question.

I think MSE is going back onto it.
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Old 16-10-2013, 20:21
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Trusteer Rapport will slow down your system
Plus its not needed if you are sensible
Does it? Didn't notice anything on my PC when I tried it out.
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Old 16-10-2013, 21:09
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wow, what ever you do dont install Trusteer Rapport.

It doesn't even work and has been proven years ago, yet the banking industry seems to think it does. Idiots.
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Old 16-10-2013, 21:25
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thinking about it...give cmorris a PM as if its good enough for him to not get a virus then its pretty good on the idiot index
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Old 17-10-2013, 00:05
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thinking about it...give cmorris a PM as if its good enough for him to not get a virus then its pretty good on the idiot index
Stop skewing the data! cmorris is a statistical anomaly.
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