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Old 09-10-2013, 15:12
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Panasonic is reportedly planning to pull out of the plasma TV business by the end of the financial year."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...ic_plasma_tvs/

Sad news, indeed.
I know the writing has been on the wall for a number of years now, but always been very happy with the colour reproduction and image quality even on my HD ready Panasonic plasma

I suppose its a bit like VHS vs betamax

Better get an HD one while still available
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Old 09-10-2013, 15:55
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We'll all have to get used to grey being the new black then.
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Old 09-10-2013, 16:27
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I know the writing has been on the wall for a number of years now, but always been very happy with the colour reproduction and image quality even on my HD ready Panasonic plasma
I've been wondering who would be next - and Panasonic (with their massive financial troubles) seemed by far the most likely - as LG and Samsung run at a profit, they can afford to (presumably) subsidise Plasma sets.

I've no doubt that the manufacturing costs of Plasma sets are far higher than LCD ones.
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Old 09-10-2013, 17:50
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I think ending plasma production clears the way for Panasonic to farm out production to the Chinese as the rest of the Japanese companies have done. This will leave the Koreans, by default, representing the higher end of the quality spectrum, with Sony already having farmed their production out to Foxconn, Sharp to Vestel and Tosh to UMC.
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Old 09-10-2013, 18:42
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I think ending plasma production clears the way for Panasonic to farm out production to the Chinese as the rest of the Japanese companies have done. This will leave the Koreans, by default, representing the higher end of the quality spectrum, with Sony already having farmed their production out to Foxconn, Sharp to Vestel and Tosh to UMC.
True.

I suppose it could go one of two ways.

The budget manufacturers may end up being pushed by the likes of Sharp, Toshiba and Sony to improve quality as customers complain about such issues, which would then feed through to improvements in quality of other budget brands that have their sets made by these companies too.

Or as now, people pay a premium for what they think is a brand name set, when they could have bought a budget brand and essentially ended up with the same set. They get disappointed with quality and reliability and the big names continue to find customers deserting them for the Korean companies who are increasingly producing better quality products. We end up with a complete reversal of the way things used to be, with Samsung and LG representing the higher end of the market, and the big Japanese companies representing the budget/midrange markets. A complete reversal to the way things used to be in the 80s and 90s generally.
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Old 09-10-2013, 20:24
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I think ending plasma production clears the way for Panasonic to farm out production to the Chinese as the rest of the Japanese companies have done. This will leave the Koreans, by default, representing the higher end of the quality spectrum, with Sony already having farmed their production out to Foxconn, Sharp to Vestel and Tosh to UMC.
I would suggest you get your facts correct before posting?, Sony sets are being manufactured by various facilities (many of them ex-Sony factories), but are still Sony designed sets simply assembled for them.

Sharp simply buy Vestel sets and have them badged, just as Toshiba have been doing for a number of years - if Toshiba are now moving to UMC is that for assembly?, or are they just badging again?.

I don't know where Panasonic sets have been assembled in recent years, but they certainly have bought LCD panels from China, as the Chinese manufacturer changed the construction without telling Panasonic, causing large premature failure rates.

For the Koreans to represent the 'higher quality end' they would have to up their game considerably, and improve their service organisations as well.
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Old 09-10-2013, 20:26
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Are LG still doing Plasma TVs?
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Old 09-10-2013, 20:27
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Are LG still doing Plasma TVs?
Yes (as far as I know), and Samsung as well - but as I said above, both of those can afford to subsidise their production.

But presumably it's only a matter of time?.
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Old 09-10-2013, 21:15
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Yes (as far as I know), and Samsung as well - but as I said above, both of those can afford to subsidise their production.

But presumably it's only a matter of time?.
The sooner the better. Plasmas cause horrendours RF pollution.
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Old 09-10-2013, 22:50
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The sooner the better. Plasmas cause horrendours RF pollution.
I've seen this issue posted on various news sites related to this story. Yes, it's an issue but not one that the average consumer is likely to come across. However, I agree regarding the annoyance of the pollution.
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Old 10-10-2013, 00:04
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Cheapness over quality wins yet again.

LED is flawed technology but people buy them and put up with an inferior quality because they're cheap. Just like they did with VHS.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:03
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Cheapness over quality wins yet again.

LED is flawed technology but people buy them and put up with an inferior quality because they're cheap. Just like they did with VHS.
Here we go again. What is inferior about LED LCD technology?

I agree VHS is inferior to today's PVRs but at the time it was as good as any domestic format but obviously inferior to professional formats such as quad or 1" C format. And please don't mention Betamax, it had inferior sound (slower tape speed), the picture was no better, and they were a pig to service.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:43
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I would suggest you get your facts correct before posting?, Sony sets are being manufactured by various facilities (many of them ex-Sony factories), but are still Sony designed sets simply assembled for them.
So, production is being handled by Foxconn. As I stated.

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Old 10-10-2013, 12:25
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"Will this put a stop to the LCD vs Plasma arguments"
Well, basically, NO.......Because there are so many people who are entrenched in their choice of TV that they can't help but argue which is the better technology.
Even when Plasma is long buried you will still have people extolling its virtues and mourning it's passing......A bit like XP users etc...
This is not peculiar to LCD v Plasma, it is so and will ever be so, concerning any Tech field....... Still....Live the dream!!..
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Old 10-10-2013, 15:09
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Here we go again. What is inferior about LED LCD technology?

I agree VHS is inferior to today's PVRs but at the time it was as good as any domestic format but obviously inferior to professional formats such as quad or 1" C format. And please don't mention Betamax, it had inferior sound (slower tape speed), the picture was no better, and they were a pig to service.
Colour accuracy, contrast ratios, black level, motion handling. Take your pick!
LCD/LED sets have lower power consumption & brighter (normally overly bright) images that are great for conservatories etc and are lighter.

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Old 10-10-2013, 16:25
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"Will this put a stop to the LCD vs Plasma arguments"
Well, basically, NO.......Because there are so many people who are entrenched in their choice of TV that they can't help but argue which is the better technology.
Even when Plasma is long buried you will still have people extolling its virtues and mourning it's passing......A bit like XP users etc...
This is not peculiar to LCD v Plasma, it is so and will ever be so, concerning any Tech field....... Still....Live the dream!!..
To be honest I still haven't found an LCD/LED set that can match my Plasma in terms of sheer picture quality, especially when it comes to black levels and very fast movement. Some of the newer sets I have seen do get very close though, but personally they aren't quite there yet. To me LCD/LED still looks ever so slightly "cartoonish", even after spending hours fiddling with their setups. Of course that's a personal thing and different people may have different opinions, so whatever works really.
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Old 10-10-2013, 16:43
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We'll all have to get used to grey being the new black then.
Bollo*. Nowt wrong with any of our LCD sets. Black is BLACK.

LED is flawed technology but people buy them and put up with an inferior quality because they're cheap. Just like they did with VHS.
More Bollo*. LED is not cheap. All panels have advanced settings to change the output to suit the individual's needs.
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Old 10-10-2013, 21:51
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i suppose I could always go back to my old CRT set, it is smaller than the plasma, screen wise I mean.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:49
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We'll all have to get used to grey being the new black then.
If OLED had been a success you would not have had to.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:53
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Bollo*. Nowt wrong with any of our LCD sets. Black is BLACK.



More Bollo*. LED is not cheap. All panels have advanced settings to change the output to suit the individual's needs.
It really does depend on the lighting conditions of the room. Blacks can be good on an LCD in a room with plenty of light but in a darker room I have yet to see an LCD that can give good blacks.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:55
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If OLED had been a success you would not have had to.
Isn't it a bit early to be writing off OLED?
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:58
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Isn't it a bit early to be writing off OLED?
It's been promised for so many years but all we have had is some small screen sets at a high price.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:21
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It's been promised for so many years but all we have had is some small screen sets at a high price.
That's not true. Now you have some large screen (55") sets at high prices. With curved screens, presumably to mark them out as different, since it doesn't appear to offer any other benefit!

The big problem for OLED is that LCD is still a lot cheaper to manufacture.
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Old 11-10-2013, 16:34
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That's not true. Now you have some large screen (55") sets at high prices. With curved screens, presumably to mark them out as different, since it doesn't appear to offer any other benefit!

The big problem for OLED is that LCD is still a lot cheaper to manufacture.
No I don't get the purpose of a curved screen? Years ago screens went flat for a good reason.
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Old 11-10-2013, 17:42
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No I don't get the purpose of a curved screen? Years ago screens went flat for a good reason.
It's to make the viewer feel immersed (the same effect that IMAX has). Mostly marketing crap and I can't say I've heard it does anything. Also, manufacturers are making the TV's bezel bigger that the panel itself (with a gap) to give the illusion of a bigger screen.
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