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Old 10-10-2013, 17:10
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With this new Flash Vote system what will happen if it goes to deadlock ?
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:12
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I'd say Simon gets to decide by skype. I don't think the X Factor app idea would be a good idea as it's not used by enough people to be such a big part of the show.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:15
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Apparently whoever lost the Flash Vote goes home, which I hope isn't true because not only is it unfair to resolve a deadlock on a ten minute vote from the previous night, but it will remove all the tension from the judges vote because Dermot will now be saying 'if you opt to send home X, the vote will be tied and Y will be leaving the competition as they lost the Flash Vote'...how anti-climatic. Doubt there'd be any need to even call it 'deadlock' either so there'll be no booming noises and flashy red lights anymore

I really think this Flash Vote idea may suck the life out of the results show and I think they're hoping it's going to achieve the opposite
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:17
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The guest performers decide.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:18
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Originally Posted by Jackk;69120969[B
]Apparently whoever lost the Flash Vote goes home[/b], which I hope isn't true because not only is it unfair to resolve a deadlock on a ten minute vote from the previous night, but it will remove all the tension from the judges vote because Dermot will now be saying 'if you opt to send home X, the vote will be tied and Y will be leaving the competition as they lost the Flash Vote'...how anti-climatic. Doubt there'd be any need to even call it 'deadlock' either so there'll be no booming noises and flashy red lights anymore

I really think this Flash Vote idea may suck the life out of the results show and I think they're hoping it's going to achieve the opposite
The flash vote act goes home? Surely they won't do this every week as they wouldn't have enough weeks of the competition.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:19
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I actually think it'd be fun for them to rip off Fame Academy's idea and if it goes to deadlock have the other acts vote one of them off. Imagine the drama

Then if that vote is tied, send the Flash Vote loser home
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:21
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The flash vote act goes home? Surely they won't do this every week as they wouldn't have enough weeks of the competition.
I don't get what you mean? There's still a sing-off for both members of the bottom two (Flash Vote loser and 24 hour vote loser) but apparently if the judges vote goes to deadlock, whoever lost the Flash Vote goes home. That's what I'm saying is unfair, because to resolve a deadlock on a ten minute vote from the previous night is a bit silly. And anti-climatic...because a tied judges vote will have an obvious outcome from the outset.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:24
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I don't get what you mean? There's still a sing-off for both members of the bottom two (Flash Vote loser and 24 hour vote loser) but apparently if the judges vote goes to deadlock, whoever lost the Flash Vote goes home. That's what I'm saying is unfair, because to resolve a deadlock on a ten minute vote from the previous night is a bit silly. And anti-climatic...because a tied judges vote will have an obvious outcome from the outset.
Ah I see what you are saying now my mistake.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:45
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I don't get what you mean? There's still a sing-off for both members of the bottom two (Flash Vote loser and 24 hour vote loser) but apparently if the judges vote goes to deadlock, whoever lost the Flash Vote goes home. That's what I'm saying is unfair, because to resolve a deadlock on a ten minute vote from the previous night is a bit silly. And anti-climatic...because a tied judges vote will have an obvious outcome from the outset.
I agree, and it seems to give the third judge voting a lot of power - which they may not want. Assuming that on most weeks, it's two acts from two different categories in the bottom 2, the mentors will always save their own act, but if the third judge opts to save the act that lost the 24 hour vote instead of the flash vote, the flash vote loser will automatically go home. Therefore we'll probably see a lot of third votes being played tactically as the judges won't want to come across as the bad guy that sends someone home without being forced into it, so will save the flash vote loser most of the time unless it's a really clear-cut decision on who should go home.

I think it's going to be a bit of a messy system, to be honest. It would be better if they reopened the lines for the ad break once we know who the bottom 2 are, although maybe they don't think people would want to vote twice. Though they could always make it a free vote (something I really think they should have introduced ages ago.) Failing that they could do a studio audience vote, or as someone says go to Simon on satellite - though I'm not a big fan of that idea as it will obviously be manipulated to keep in the acts he wants to sign.

But I honestly don't know what the point of the flash vote is. It all seems a bit cruel.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:48
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Has the show released details regarding the new scheme? Based on what's known so far, it seems like no one gave good thought about it.
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Old 10-10-2013, 18:22
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I agree, and it seems to give the third judge voting a lot of power - which they may not want. Assuming that on most weeks, it's two acts from two different categories in the bottom 2, the mentors will always save their own act, but if the third judge opts to save the act that lost the 24 hour vote instead of the flash vote, the flash vote loser will automatically go home. Therefore we'll probably see a lot of third votes being played tactically as the judges won't want to come across as the bad guy that sends someone home without being forced into it, so will save the flash vote loser most of the time unless it's a really clear-cut decision on who should go home.

I think it's going to be a bit of a messy system, to be honest. It would be better if they reopened the lines for the ad break once we know who the bottom 2 are, although maybe they don't think people would want to vote twice. Though they could always make it a free vote (something I really think they should have introduced ages ago.) Failing that they could do a studio audience vote, or as someone says go to Simon on satellite - though I'm not a big fan of that idea as it will obviously be manipulated to keep in the acts he wants to sign.

But I honestly don't know what the point of the flash vote is. It all seems a bit cruel.
Ah of course, I never even thought about the third vote, that's a good point. I expect most of the third votes will go to 24 hour vote loser to put the power into the fourth judges hands, and that will effectively mean whoever has the fourth vote (or third vote if a judge is feeling brave) takes on a role of Head Judge, as their vote will pretty much count for two and be the deciding vote (either to tie the vote and make the Flash Vote loser go home, or make it a 3-1 majority to send the the 24 hour vote loser home) even though there's an even number of judges...and I mean there just isn't any logic to that system.

There's always been tension with the results, the judges vote and the potential of a deadlock, and it's been one of my favourite parts of the show. 8:50 - 9:00 onwards on a Sunday night was one of my TV highlights of the week, but now with the idea of deadlock essentially removed, I honestly think a lot of the results are going to feel very anti-climatic and obvious.

This just hasn't been thought through enough. They've obviously thought 'we need to keep people interested in the Saturday show and give them a reason to stay in and watch to save their favourite' (another thing that's unfair with this, cause people who go out and watch on Sunday afternoon won't be able to vote), but the problem is is that Sunday's show is going to suffer.

What would have been better is to keep last year's system (which proved to be much better and fairer cause it largely got rid of the curse and benefit of the death and pimp slots) of opening the lines before the performances, having a vote freeze at the end of Saturday's show and then announcing the first bottom two act. At least then these deadlock rules would actually be sort of fair.

I really hope there's some kind of public backlash over this new voting system and that they experience technical difficulties and it's scrapped after a few weeks. It's going to put a downer on the result IMO.
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Old 10-10-2013, 20:52
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This is a very good point I wish they wasn't doing this flash vote thing I think it's pointless and not very fair.
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Old 11-10-2013, 17:07
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They should just scrap the flash vote thing .
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Old 11-10-2013, 17:08
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They should just scrap the flash vote thing .
Hopefully they have technical difficulties and the public don't respond well to it and it's scrapped a few weeks in. I think it's going to ruin the results show.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:25
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Apparently whoever lost the Flash Vote goes home, which I hope isn't true because not only is it unfair to resolve a deadlock on a ten minute vote from the previous night, but it will remove all the tension from the judges vote because Dermot will now be saying 'if you opt to send home X, the vote will be tied and Y will be leaving the competition as they lost the Flash Vote'...how anti-climatic. Doubt there'd be any need to even call it 'deadlock' either so there'll be no booming noises and flashy red lights anymore

I really think this Flash Vote idea may suck the life out of the results show and I think they're hoping it's going to achieve the opposite
where you getting the flash vote act would go home if went to deadlock??? as if that is the case you may aswell just send the flash vote act home straight away.

As far as i no they have yet to release how deadlock will work
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:39
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where you getting the flash vote act would go home if went to deadlock??? as if that is the case you may aswell just send the flash vote act home straight away.

As far as i no they have yet to release how deadlock will work
Someone on here said it was reported in the initial Sun article apparently. And it also makes sense because how else will they resolve deadlock? The 24 hour vote is cast aside because the Flash Vote loser will not have been a part of that vote, I really couldn't see them opening the lines again just because there's a deadlock (though I'd prefer this), and in-app voting doesn't look likely to resolve it either since that's only going to be available after the first bottom two act is announced.

What I'm saying is that if it is indeed true that the Flash Vote loser goes home in the event of a deadlock, that's not only unfair but totally anti-climatic and is going to ruin the judges vote.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:37
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Apparently whoever lost the Flash Vote goes home, which I hope isn't true because not only is it unfair to resolve a deadlock on a ten minute vote from the previous night, but it will remove all the tension from the judges vote because Dermot will now be saying 'if you opt to send home X, the vote will be tied and Y will be leaving the competition as they lost the Flash Vote'...how anti-climatic. Doubt there'd be any need to even call it 'deadlock' either so there'll be no booming noises and flashy red lights anymore

I really think this Flash Vote idea may suck the life out of the results show and I think they're hoping it's going to achieve the opposite
If that's true then that means the 4th judge can't cop out. We've seen judges force the old style of deadlock in an attempt to not have blood on their hands. A good example of that was the Rachel Crow incident (X Factor USA 2011), which backfired horribly for Nicole.

Is it a good change? I think so. Before judges in a '4th vote decides' situation tried to take the easy way out. Now, there's no way out. They have to bring the hammer down on someone. That's what they're being paid to do after all.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:42
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where you getting the flash vote act would go home if went to deadlock??? as if that is the case you may aswell just send the flash vote act home straight away.

As far as i no they have yet to release how deadlock will work
If they just got rid of the person with the lowest votes every week, that would take away a huge amount of control from the show. The X Factor producers are never going to give up the virtue of being able to save their favoured act week after week after week, until the final.
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