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Sofabet's Predictions 12th Miss DY- 1st Hannah
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bookclub10
10-10-2013
I love this website! Always gives good,objective analysis on the show and voting patterns.
This is their latest article predicting the finishing order..

X Factor 2013 Pre-Lives 1-12 Prediction: Home in on Barrett
Posted by Daniel

Here we go again: our speculative attempt at second-guessing the public and producers for the X Factor live shows. The fortunes of the acts are liable to turn in directions we could never have predicted. So at this stage, a full finishing order prediction represents a fun exercise in pretending to have a crystal ball.

Read it and feel free to fully disagree. As long as you provide your own in the comments, of course (as Andy, Ben Cook, Dan, stoney, AlisonR and Highlighted already did in the comments to the last post). There are bragging rights up for grabs after all.

12th place: Miss Dynamix
After the new girlgroup made it into the live shows, lead singer SeSe told show bosses she was pregnant. She’s now nearly six months gone. That’s further down the road than Charley from 2 Shoes, who made the same revelation after getting to the live shows two years ago, only to see her group unceremoniously dumped in the 2011 week 1 twist. She had her baby a week after the final.

At a logistical level, it’s clearly something the show’s bosses would rather avoid. And if they’re going to throw them under a bus, why not do it straight away, before the frankenband have had any chance to build up a following? It’s a chance worth taking at their current best odds of 10-1 in first elimination market, still available with several firms.

11th place: Lorna Simpson
Lorna is favourite in that first elimination market, and rightly so. A lack of screentime before bootcamp marks her down as the gamma Over. She’s the epitome of the big-voiced black girl who never lasts more than a couple of weeks. Couple that with some damaging press earlier this week, and only a demolition job on Miss Dynamix may save her from going home this coming weekend.

10th place: Luke Friend
Luke was the first auditionee we saw this season. That was a promising start but it’s been downhill ever since. His arena audition was held over until the following week, he failed to impress at bootcamp and got a gamma Boy edit at Judges’ Houses. Considering the preferential treatment given to the Girls category, that puts Luke in line for being the first young soloist out.

9th place: Abi Alton
Abi is single figures in the win market with most bookmakers, so I guess this counts as our shock early exit. Abi was shown plenty of producer love at the audition stage, but it wasn’t followed up at bootcamp nor Judges’ Houses, where her edit was particularly cursory. She thus goes into the shows with far less momentum than that other guitar-playing singer/songwriter Lucy Spraggan, who ultimately struggled to pull in votes last year.

8th place: Kingsland Road
Dug has a soft spot for the band he describes at the “acid-trip hipster quintet of doom”. They’re certainly fun, but I fear that the combination of slightly dodgy vocals, cheesy dance moves and looks that may just be a little old for the tween market will limit how far they go in the competition. At any rate, they should stick around long enough to justify a place on the tour.

7th place: Shelley Smith
Shelley is allotted the Katie Waissel / Kitty Brucknell memorial position of seventh based on the hypothesis that she will be this year’s figure of fun. As with those characters, it may involve a “controversial” singoff save along the way. It’s hard to imagine a series of X Factor without it, right?

6th place: Sam Callahan
Sam is this year’s Lloyd Daniels, a young lad whose looks rather than vocal capabilities will propel him towards the later stages of the competition. To be fair to Sam, he’s a confident performer with more Twitter followers than any other contestant at the time of going to press.

Quite how producers will handle his “confidence” will be intriguing. Do they put a positive or negative spin on it? Either way, the reasoning behind placing him sixth is that he’s interesting enough to make it this far until the public and bosses feel that better vocalists deserve a shot at the final.

5th place: Rough Copy
The decent edit that Rough Copy received at Judges’ Houses, and the willingness of producers to have them enter the live shows despite two years of legal wranglings over Kazeem’s visa, indicate that they might well be the alpha Group. They bring personality and half-decent vocals to the live shows.

Quite how Middle England takes to them is open to question. As with Tamera, it’s probably for the best that damaging stories, in this case about Kazeem’s criminal record, come out sooner rather than later. But it can go one of two ways: it can be a journey of redemption or the bad press can keep coming.

4th place: Tamera Foster
We have the ante-post favourite just missing out on the final. Producers likely see Tamera as their most marketable act in this year’s line-up. They’ve certainly given her the most chances during the audition stage: a specious storyline starting off in a duo, a super-long edit after appearing to forget her words in her arena audition, and then a chance to seek redemption for the bullying stories that followed her audition – without overtly referencing them – in a chat with Nicole at Judges’ Houses.

This indicates something in itself. Producers are already aware that Tamera is not an easy sell. She looks the part but whilst her vocals are not brilliant, it’s her inability to “connect” that may hold her back most, especially when it comes down to the public vote alone, as it usually does at the semi-final stage. Hence placing Tamera in the finishing position of other divisive girls such as Cher Lloyd and Diana Vickers.

3rd place: Sam Bailey
We have Sam Bailey breaking the glass ceiling for female Overs, previously hit by Mary Byrne and Niki Evans, and making the final. Why? She’s a more interesting vocalist who has been given much greater billing at the audition stage. She’s a feelgood contestant with a feelgood returning judge. This all should have her at or near the head of affairs in the early weeks, where she will presumably be pushed as the alpha Over.

In the later stages, she may become more vulnerable to the storyline that did for the likes of Tesco Mary. The one that “you’ve already done enough to change your life”. She doesn’t have the commercial edge of some, and her demographic may not be broad-based enough to win the competition outright. But she represents much of what this show tries to promote as its positive side, and we think that can get her to the final.

2nd place: Nicholas McDonald
We do not underestimate Wee Nic at all. Not with his nice voice, his regional advantage, his obvious role as the alpha Boy and his wide demographic appeal. All that seems to add up to a place in the final, and producers must be aware of it too. As with Sam B, he seems likely to be at or near the top of the phone vote in the early weeks, especially as Scotland will surely relish the chance to vote for their own again in a Simon Cowell-produced TV show.

That can take him very far indeed, maybe even help him win the contest. Our reason for not choosing him to do so right now is the feeling that producers will do their best to help someone else over the line when it matters most, someone more credible, commerical and modern – in the Girls’ category they have pushed hardest of all throughout the audition process.

1st place: Hannah Barrett
Hannah offers that blend of credible, commercial, modern….and female. She combines the authenticity of James Arthur with the powerful backstory of Jahmene Douglas. She’s been the standout performer at both bootcamp and Judges’ Houses. Her strong voice, genuine passion for music and compelling personal story should make her standout to neutrals once more come the later stages.

There are some things to overcome: her voice and looks are not necessarily the stuff of conventional X Factor winners. But we think that will be spun to her advantage. She’s the one the show could be most proud of taking the prize; producers seemed to have realised this over the last few weeks. You can expect to see that reflected in judges comments throughout the live shows (“you can represent our country around the world” etc).

That can take her all the way. And while the fancier prices available after Judges’ Houses have disappeared, at a general 11/2 in the win market – twice the price of Tamera, and marginally longer than Wee Nic – she’s still the one that appeals most at current odds

http://sofabet.com/2013/10/10/x-fact...ett/#more-7055
Fizix
10-10-2013
I think that could be fairly accurate tbh. Don't agree with it all (as in wouldn't like it all) but I can see it being quite close to that, well as best you can before the lives start.
Satnavvy
10-10-2013
Surely that utter waste of air, Nicholas won't make it to the Top 3? Shite if ever I saw or heard it.
Hassaan13
10-10-2013
'Regional advantage'?

Do people still believe that people will vote for someone because of where they're from?
fireemblemcraze
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Satnavvy:
“Surely that utter waste of air, Nicholas won't make it to the Top 3? Shite if ever I saw or heard it.”

You have to understand the logic behind it: when making one of these lists you have to take into account not just talent but who watches the show, who votes, what are these voters looking for, what has happened BEFORE.

Who would have thought at the time that Eoghan and Maloney would make it to 3rd? It's because they were pimped to no end in the pre-auditions and they had the straightforward singing vocals with well-known ballads that make the older demographics swoon and vote.

Not to mention Nick has had pimp slot after pimp slot first in the arenas, then bootcamp, then JH! It'd be a miracle if he didn't finish first but the producers will try to stop him before that, hence why I don't believe he will. They've kept him in to sate the grannies.

Sofabet always know what they're talking about - I understand the logic perfectly. Though I disagree with Abi leaving any time soon - she's got the quirky girl thing going on - the judges will keep her in no matter what.
mangobutter
10-10-2013
I can completely see where sofa bet are coming from, I think their assessment is fair and well rounded, sort of like a well thought out voice of reason.
shraine
10-10-2013
Never in a million years are dynamix going in week one. They probly won't win, but they will be there for a while. 5/6 weeks at least
abcd
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by fireemblemcraze:
“You have to understand the logic behind it: .”


Talking of which, hows the flash vote working again?
Nissl
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Satnavvy:
“Surely that utter waste of air, Nicholas won't make it to the Top 3? Shite if ever I saw or heard it.”

Huh? He's placed second. Surely they are angling for a top 3 finish but his commercial viability is debatable given the previous track record of male winners.
jackel1234
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“'Regional advantage'?

Do people still believe that people will vote for someone because of where they're from?”

Scotland, Ireland and Liverpool vote in powerful numbers if someone from there is on X Factor.
abcd
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by jackel1234:
“Scotland, Ireland and Liverpool vote in powerful numbers if someone from there is on X Factor.”


Scotlands is the most powerful of the lot

The scouse vote is strong, but couldnt get ray quin, rebecca fergusson or marcus collins to the win

Where as the scottish vote got the unfancied leon jackson to the win, and jai mcdowell in BGT, Michelle Mcmanus in pop idol, anyone underestimating the scots as loyal voters are mad
bookclub10
10-10-2013
Before the pregnancy revelations, I think Miss Dynamix had the most potential of the groups to appeal to a wider audience. How much this will influence the production of their performances and song choices is yet unknown but they seem more vulnerable than they did before. I think the point raised about Kingsland Road being slighty out of the boyband market is fair and Rough Copy are now looking like the more mature, alpha group.
Fireemblemcraze seems accurate in his assessment of the voting public - the posters on forums like DS are only a minority of the voting public and very few look beyond what's presented on the Saturday night show.This has been proven many times by the public voting winners of these shows and failing to buy albums afterwards - Jai in BGT, Michelle Mc Manus. X Factor is a family show with grandparents, parents and children having their favourites and voting but often only the younger market buy the singles/ albums. The producers know this only too well and that's why there are acts to suit alot of audiences but only some get pushed to the fore for the win.
Ronell_Davis
10-10-2013
Pretty good prediction but I can't see Miss Dynamox going first .
Hassaan13
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by abcd:
“Where as the scottish vote got the unfancied leon jackson to the win, and jai mcdowell in BGT, Michelle Mcmanus in pop idol, anyone underestimating the scots as loyal voters are mad”

I think Jai won as an anti-Ronan vote.

It's not like English people would vote in their droves for a contestant just because they are British.
abcd
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“I think Jai won as an anti-Ronan vote.

It's not like English people would vote in their droves for a contestant just because they are British.”


No your right but how many scottish people make it through to these shows? Providing the scottish people have a liking for a particular contestant they will back them to the hilt. They have waited years for a good contestant to back in one of these shows, they wont let this one slip out of there grasp
paperplanes_
10-10-2013
I sort of half agree...I think Kingsland Road will be the most successful group though and possibly Sam (boys) will get further on the 'cutesy' vote, I'm not sure.
outof thepark
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by mangobutter:
“I can completely see where sofa bet are coming from, I think their assessment is fair and well rounded, sort of like a well thought out voice of reason.”

Sofabet is a really interesting site ..They also do analysis as the show goes on on the effect of running order..rebound bottom 2 vote, judges comments ..they also review the show afterward looking at the percentage vote for each contestant to see how their vote was increasing or decreasing and to see the effect it had
They cannot predict at this stage totally what will happen because the shows evolves as it goes on and performances do matter ..but they do have past indications which give them an idea.
Nissl
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Ronell_Davis:
“Pretty good prediction but I can't see Miss Dynamox going first .”

Do check out the ongoing conversation I'm having with them about it in the comments section.

I think they should want to get MD a bit of exposure, since they were a favorite seen as commercially viable and they do seem well received. They also need to be very careful to avoid the perception that they're hammering the pregnant team out of the gate. But I've got little doubt they'd like to squeeze them out within the first month to limit the risk of a massive black eye due to something going wrong with the pregnancy.

If you like MD at all, vote early and often this weekend, particularly if you see them in the first third of the show with lukewarm judge comments.
abcd
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Nissl:
“Do check out the ongoing conversation I'm having with them about it in the comments section.

I think they should want to get MD a bit of exposure, since they were a favorite seen as commercially viable and they do seem well received. They also need to be very careful to avoid the perception that they're hammering the pregnant team out of the gate. But I've got little doubt they'd like to squeeze them out within the first month to limit the risk of a massive black eye due to something going wrong with the pregnancy.

If you like MD at all, vote early and often this weekend, particularly if you see them in the first third of the show with lukewarm judge comments.”

Exactly, as ive previously said the show would be screwed, if she had a miscarriage while performing
_NiallDEE_
10-10-2013
The pregnancy think might prevent Miss Dynamix from doing as well as they could have, but I really doubt they'll go first, especially when there's so many contenders for the first elimination...
Barry_Clarke
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by _NiallDEE_:
“The pregnancy think might prevent Miss Dynamix from doing as well as they could have, but I really doubt they'll go first, especially when there's so many contenders for the first elimination...”

there is only 2 - Shelley and Lorna
Nissl
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Barry_Clarke:
“there is only 2 - Shelley and Lorna”

I doubt they're particularly keen on keeping Luke around. No star power, Nick is the very clear alpha boy (with Sam the beta aiming at a different demo) and his early departure would cause headlines.

They also want Abi gone in the first half as they didn't even show her whole judges house audition, but she's got too much support as the only folky hippie act to go out this early.
fireemblemcraze
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by Nissl:
“I doubt they're particularly keen on keeping Luke around. No star power, Nick is the very clear alpha boy (with Sam the beta aiming at a different demo) and his early departure would cause headlines.

They also want Abi gone in the first half as they didn't even show her whole judges house audition, but she's got too much support as the only folky hippie act to go out this early.”

It could swap like it did with James last year. Very clearly Jahmene was alpha boy from the start. It could swap to Sam C if he has a 'Let's Get It On' moment. I think he's a far more capable vocalist than Lloyd Daniels too. He's got a bit of a rock thing going maybe we'll see that in the live shows?

I think Abi's definitely the gamma girl - she's like Janet except with less support and less pimping by producers because they know what'll happen this time. So I do think her time will come sooner. However, the judges love quirky acts and usually save them in a sing off - Cher, Misha etc. So even if they don't muster enough support like Diana to get all the way to the semi-finals they still may be saved in the sing off.
LemonadeMouth
10-10-2013
Can't see these predictions being accurate tbh.
fireemblemcraze
10-10-2013
Originally Posted by LemonadeMouth:
“Can't see these predictions being accurate tbh.”

Why the Sofabet team I have noticed take into account a lot when making decisions - it is designed to help punters after all!

I think they are fairly accurate - not so sure about Miss Dynamix, Lorna, Tamera, Shelley and Abi yet (because we have no clear hate figure/joke act/quirky girl/alpha group) but overall I think they've got it right. It depends completely on what happens on the first live show though because some acts stand out and slowly creep their way to first place (like James, Joe, LM before).
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