Oops, my bad! It wasn't Alex Jones that pointed it out, it was the other woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8vvmucSwgI

They even highlighted it in case viewers missed it.

(Salad cover your laptop in bubble wrap or some thing before you watch it)

Yeahhh, it's lazy. But she has no interest in it and I'm sure there's plenty of things you have no interest in that you'd find it hard to be enthusiastic about if it was thrust in front of you and you were forced to talk about it for 5 minutes.

Of course you latch on to whatever hazy memory of what is in the public domain you can remember, cliche or not.

The one show was never going to worship at the Who Altar and treat the find in the same quasi-cultish way fandom has.
Anything less than her bowing down and shouting "we're not worthy" at everything Who was going to annoy fandom.
Just be happy a BBC1 mainstream audience were made aware of some Original Series Who news for a change, no matter what the couldn't care less presenters said about it.

A very reasonable and fair comment. What is wrong with you? I'm busy waving my pitchfork!

i still stand by previous comments. I have no idea who that other person is. And nor do I care.

This isn't the new trailer - but the next best thing! a photo leak:

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/the-day...pics-53873.htm

Gives you a taster... and is spookily like the trailer I want releasing... One where we see the Doctor's but dont get the story given away.

A couple of years back, dr who was regarded as one of BBCs flagship programmes - I don't think that amongst the execs it is held in the same regard any more. The numbers guys will ultimately decide its fate.

It will be interesting to see how many go and watch in the cinemas - could this be in preparation for a wholesale move to the big screen?

I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head there...
Showing a trailer that excites but doesn't spoil (surely how everyone wants it) might be impossible without it being an incoherent mess.
I've given up on seeing anything before we get to about two weeks to go. Standard BBC practice. Yes I expected more than this background hum of promotion, putting the Revisiteds on Watch instead of a main channel is a huge mistake. But with less than six weeks to go surely our time spent savouring the tiny moresels that are being thrown our way than constantly saying "Where is the trailer?"
Now we have Live X Factor to fill our Saturday nights the time will positively fly by

Wrong. It's called build-up.

There's over a month to go....

The Beeb are playing this very well so far.

Using your logic, by the time Sherlock actually airs we will have seen 75% of the first episode in trailers and press coverage. I'm not complaining about the lack of a trailer, but saying the Beeb is playing it well when so many fans are obviously at least a bit concerned makes about as much sense as continually ranting on here that they still haven't shown a trailer.

There HAS been a "shred" of promotion though - the hashtag bumpers. They may not show any clips of the special, but they have started teasing this as a "big event".

I'd say we're right on track, and to publicise too early would be a mistake. The Christmas trailer for last year was first released on 17th November - just over a month before the event. No need to worry!

I agree, yesterday was brilliant( were they American made shows?) apart from the serious lack of Donna Noble of course, quite disapointed that they did not spend a little time in the companion programme talking about her.

No. I don't see what the fuss is about. Sorry.


It's not only about the trailer, or lack thereof. It's about the fact that THIS IS THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY and there's a perfectly good series of programmes on the Doctors showing on Watch and not on the BBC. Among other things.

Why can the BBC not be bothered? What's wrong with them?

People on here have mentioned Pointless and The One Show. I don't watch those programmes, and I don't want to. In the 50TH ANNIVERSARY YEAR I want (wanted) to watch Doctor Who.


No, I wouldn't.

And I only wanted to see it once - not once a day for months.

Honestly, don't people get it? I'll repeat for those who missed it - IT'S THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY YEAR!!!

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!!!

Surely the BBC should have made a bit of effort to show some MORE Doctor Who than normal? (And don't forget, we have actually had LESS than in recent years).

As I said, others can defend the BBC and express themselves perfectly satisfied with what they have begrudgingly been given.

Personally, I feel the BBC has treated the show and it's fans disgracefully.

And, please do not compare Doctor Who with other shows either in promotion or number of episodes or whatever. Normally I would agree that the show shouldn't expect preferential treatment, but, hey, you know THIS IS THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY YEAR!!! A bit of special treatment isn't unreasonable, surely?

Yes I thought that odd too, especially as he's starred in the US version of The Office, so it's hardly like she's an unknown.

Episodes from the show's past that no one thought that they would EVER see again. Surely, you must be able to see the massive significance of that...!


All I can say is it's not November yet. I haven't seen anything that is purposefully disrespectful. Only incompetence (trailer, hashtag) really. But nothing disgraceful. I'd expect DW's presence throughout that particular month to explode.

Well, I've seen the found episodes once. I very rarely rewatch. I'm glad they've been found, but, no, the significance is far from massive, to me.

If DW's presence does indeed explode in November then it might rekindle my interest, which is at zero, currently. But I will still see the BBC as having wasted an opportunity that will never arise again in terms of celebrating DW.

And a lot depends on how it explodes. Second rate quiz- or chat-shows don't appeal to me, I'm afraid. Programmes specifically about the show do. But I think we know what we are going to get - I don't think anything else is going to suddenly be announced.

I think the BBC not showing the programmes which are currently on Watch about the past Doctors is, if not disrespectful, then dismissive of fans. They should certainly have something similar on a BBC Freeview channel. The fact that they haven't has made me give up caring.

That doesn't mean I won't watch when it's on. Just that my interest has waned considerably.

Really? Seriously?? Your desire to see a trailer is bigger than your desire to see The Web of Fear?

I've seen the Web of Fear. I loved it. (Troughton's my second favourite Doctor.) If it's ever shown on TV, I'll probably watch it again. It doesn't look like the BBC is keen on showing old episodes, though, so it's find will not affect me at all.

I haven't seen the 50th anniversary episode yet. I was looking forward to it with huge enthusiasm. A trailer would have been great. I can't understand why the Comic Con one had to be such a big secret.

See, its things like this that don't help me see it from your side at all. Shows like Pointless and the One Show are doing their bit to aid the celebrations for a much wider audience, getting it out there into the subconscious if you like, but because you don't watch them, you don't count it as part of the celebrations.

The 50th has to be celebrated the way you want by the looks of things, anything else won't just cut it.

Only things with specific reference to the show will do for you, and that's part of the problem. The BBC has to cater for all, they can't show everything. It comes across as very narrow-minded and putting the show on a pedestal above all others if you think it should be promoted to high heavens.

I am a fan of the show but I don't want it left, right and centre everywhere. It is only early October still, there's plenty of time left for the celebrations to kick into gear.

There's more to the BBC than just Doctor Who even in its 50th year you know...

Firstly all Granny is appealing for is quality broadcasting- not fobbing us off with any old light entertainment tat dressed in DW clothing. Secondly. The show isn't left right or centre right now. It is NOWHERE. and we are only weeks away. Some people have a strange concept of over saturation. A Pointless special months ago and a ten minute One Show feature about the Web of Fear doesn't constitute blanket coverage now does it?

But also. You know what? I'm a fan. While I don't think it will happen I could easily gorge on non stop Doctor Who for the next six weeks and never get sick of it. Not surprising really seeing as im a fan of the show.

Apparently though to be a proper fan you have to bow down, tug those forelocks, not get too excited, not ask for much, beg for scraps and behave like a subservient Oliver Twist to the powers that be. 'Please Mr Moffat sir. Can we have some more?'

'MORE!!!!!!!!!! IM WRITING SHERLOCK YOU INSOLENT SWINES!'

Firstly, your whole attitude is coming across bad on here. Constantly insulting these other shows like Pointless etc because its not 'quality TV' to you as well as insulting presenters and actresses in recent times, you're just coming across as rude, disgusting and insulting - and you were one of the much nicer users on here, made others like me feel welcome to post on here - its not the case now really.

Also, so aside from the Pointless Celeb special, the One Show bit, we've had a live show dedicated to the new Doctor, the show making headlines quite often this year, posters, merchandise, TV stings etc, it's certainly been here throughout the year. The problem is that GrannyMcSmith has already said before things that aren't the TV show don't count to her, which is ridiculous. Doctor Who is a brand, it's more than just a TV show. All of these things, the merchandise, posters etc are building up to the 50th....it is a build up, that needs remembering.

A build up is there for a reason, it can't be too in your face, it just can't. Things like the stings have got my parents talking about the show, they don't even watch it, so they're working for now. OTT promotion to the extreme was done with the End of Time with the idents with Tennant and him on loads of shows for more than a month did get criticised. It has to be put into perspective. Yes, DW is 50 this year, that's good but there is more to the BBC than Doctor Who. They're doing it the right way at the moment, teasing the audience, getting them interested. Any more than what they've been doing at the moment would be just too much, too soon.

Doctor Who is my favourite television programme but it is watched by at the very most by 10 million people (adding iplayer views to the consolidated ratings). Of those ten million only a tiny proportion could be defined as hard-core fans who would watch Tomb of the Cybermen in preference to something a bit more current.

If I was a BBC exec I would have to keep an eye on the vast majority of the population who will not want to be disorientated by trailers running across a whole month for a programme they have no interest in. And then I would also think about the casual viewers who are also likely to react adversely to having the anniversary shoved down their throats for over a month if some people had their way.

'Oh, that, looks good, when's it on, next week?'
'No.'
'In a fortnight.'
'No.'
'In three weeks time.'
'No.'
'Bloody hell, you mean its not on for another four weeks.'
'Well actually it is on in five weeks time- the Doctor Who fans demanded a trailer well in advance of a month.'
'Crikey, why did they demand that?
'They are not known for their patience.'

Nevertheless if I was an exec I would organise a series of programmes in the week of the anniversary to celebrate one of the BBC's most successful programmes. The programmes and accompanying promotion may well end up irritating rather more people than are frustrated by the lack of prominence a month before the anniversary.

Sorry you feel that way. I don't recall insulting any actresses and always try and be respectful to other posters who are respectful in kind. I have made a few jokes aimed at certain presenters but don't mean any real malice. Just my sense of humour. I am a bit of a snob when it comes to things like The One Show just because I don't like or watch that sort of TV. If others do then that's fine.

with regards to the coverage I still maintain that there could have been more. I have never said blanket coverage or regular trailers. But something more. Honestly? The Comic Con trailer and a few well made teasers would have done me just fine. That isn't demanding too much. Its asking for something. And its not alot seeing as some people have already seen such things.

I agree with all of this. Our time will come...

Think back to ITV's 50th Anniversary Celebrations of Coronation Street. Was their schedule filled with repeats of classic episodes and documentaries all year? No. Was there a huge buzz in the weeks around the actual anniversary? Yes.

In the grand scheme of things, it's better to make a big fuss in a small amount of time than it is to dilute celebrations over a long period, consequently irritating viewers who have no interest in the show in question. I'd have been very annoyed if the ITV schedules had been taken over by classic episodes and countless documentaries about This Morning's 25th Anniversary this year, but as there was a buzz around it I made a point of watching the anniversary episode itself - as did the highest amount of viewers in years. Had the celebrations been saturated to death all year, the anniversary episode itself wouldn't have been such a big deal and wouldn't have drawn such high ratings (and, let's face it, that IS an important factor)

Excuse me for thinking that the BBC might treat DW Fiftieth with a bit more class and respect than the anniversary of a trashy lowest common denominator soap opera and some daytime TV drivel. Imagine hoping for more!

Every time you speak I lose a little bit more respect for you.