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Old 12-10-2013, 12:33
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Rings of Akhaten is one of my favorite episodes. I was very suprised when I saw how many people dislike this episode. Some of them include this episode in the worst episodes comparing it with episodes like Love and Monsters and Fear Her, but I never saw any explanation why...
People usually criticize singing and leaf. But what's wrong with singing and what's wrong with leaf? Singing gave the episode charisma and recognizability. And using symbolism of leaf is very immaginative and creative idea to solve the problem IMO (much better then shooting, fighting and explosions, like in some much more appreciated episodes).
Also, Rings of Akhaten has excellent memorable speech and is very emotional episode with good atmosphere and really good acting.

So, why people hate Rings of Akhaten so much?
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:42
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Rings of Akhaten is one of my favorite episodes. I was very suprised when I saw how many people dislike this episode. Some of them include this episode in the worst episodes comparing it with episodes like Love and Monsters and Fear Her, but I never saw any explanation why...
People usually criticize singing and leaf. But what's wrong with singing and what's wrong with leaf? Singing gave the episode charisma and recognizability. And using symbolism of leaf is very immaginative and creative idea to solve the problem IMO (much better then shooting, fighting and explosions, like in some much more appreciated episodes).
Also, Rings of Akhaten has excellent memorable speech and is very emotional episode with good atmosphere and really good acting.

So, why people hate Rings of Akhaten so much?
I really liked it too. Bring on the love!!!!. Its different and actually the music is quite inspiring.

I read the Neil Cross interview in DWM recently and I kind of get what he was trying to do with the leaf Its symbolically really the opposite of logic and more with having belief and fate.Difficult to capture concepts.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:57
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I love it too. It's got everything - alien culture, excellent dialogue, a great plot twist and looks fantastic. Among Matt Smith's best.
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:07
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Yep, I consider it possibly the best of Clara's episodes so far. And the best music in yonks.

But then I'm also a fan of The Beast Below.
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:09
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I love it. But then I'm an Akhaten Apologist with many delusions to answer for.
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:26
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Yep, I consider it possibly the best of Clara's episodes so far. And the best music in yonks.

But then I'm also a fan of The Beast Below.
I'm a fan of the Beast Below too! Got my Smiler Crew and my Liz Tenners with me all the time! Yeah!

Anyway, to the main point of the thread...I don't absolutely hate Akhaten, I just find it very so-so verging on the bad.

There's just been something about it I've found a little odd about it, something I can't take to. The song, however lovely it is (it's really good on the soundtrack in my opinion by the way), I just felt it went on and on far too long for me.

The Vigil were an interesting creation that should have been better used as they seemed pointless otherwise. I didn't like the leaf thing really, I understand it and everything, but still find it odd...it just didn't quite seem right.

Also, I've never been a big fan of the Akhaten speech I think Matt delivered it wonderfully, but the whole thing as an idea was flat to me.

As I say, it's not a hated episode in my books, but it lacked a lot to become good for me.
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:31
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it is Clara's best. i like it a lot

But the music is excruciating. Any attempt at alien or futuristic music is always excruciating

but not as bad as Die phantastischen Abenteuer des Raumschiffes Orion The otherwise great German Star Trek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJe-CdWsICY

or Ikarus XB1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfD9AMHabBA
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:47
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I've never understood peoples enjoymernt of it, personally. Hamfisted premise, terrible script, bad acting, bad songs - then at the end, the CGI villain was defeated by a shouty speech and a cliché.

If I was Matt Smith, I'd have quit too, having to put my reputation to such an unmitigated sh!t volcano.
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:47
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Well surely it is all down to opinion, I could ask the same question of why people dislike The Caves Of Androzani, imo, one of the best stories ever but I accept it isn't for everyone and everyone has different tastes.

With this particular episode, following on from what I considered a great opening episode of the second part of Series 7, I just found it absolutely appalling.

I found the singing too much, there was hardly any decent action or storyline and the whole thing just dragged on relentlessly for the whole 45 minutes. For me personally it was one big non event that summed up everything I've disliked so far during Moffat's Time as showrunner.

I even watched this episode with my Dad who had enjoyed the previous episode also. He hasn't watched too much Doctor Who since it came back but he's enjoyed the ones he has watched. Even he couldn't believe how awful this episode actually was and walked out of the room half way through he was so bored by it.

This is very much my opinion, in reverse to Caves Of Androzani I accept it appeals to some people but for me it is the worst story of Doctor Who there has ever been and believe me there's been some stiff competition for that title over the years.

The Web Planet, The Twin Dilemma, Timelash, even Season 24 with the nearly as awful Paradise Towers in it, all of them are a better watch than this pile of c**p.

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Old 12-10-2013, 13:49
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I loved it but remember fans hating it at the time. Being a Pagan I found the spiritual message really nice
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:55
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I didn't like it but not because of the singing or the leaf, I thought those bits were good. I thought the 'aliens' were terrible and something you would see from the 2005 series, I thought the speech at the end was terribly cringey, it was difficult for me to watch. It's the sort of thing that really turns me of Doctor Who to be honest.

They just stand there talking for ages, in the meantime the enemy could have easily defeated the Doctor but just decides to listen to him? I think Moffatt tries to make the speeches 'epic' but I find them both cringey and annoying.

I don't think it compares to Love & Monsters but it is down there with my least favorite episodes.
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Old 12-10-2013, 13:56
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Rings of Akhaten is one of my favorite episodes. I was very suprised when I saw how many people dislike this episode. Some of them include this episode in the worst episodes comparing it with episodes like Love and Monsters and Fear Her, but I never saw any explanation why...
People usually criticize singing and leaf. But what's wrong with singing and what's wrong with leaf? Singing gave the episode charisma and recognizability. And using symbolism of leaf is very immaginative and creative idea to solve the problem IMO (much better then shooting, fighting and explosions, like in some much more appreciated episodes).
Also, Rings of Akhaten has excellent memorable speech and is very emotional episode with good atmosphere and really good acting.

So, why people hate Rings of Akhaten so much?
Because they used singing to kill a monster.
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Old 12-10-2013, 14:14
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I think it's pretty decent actually.

Don't get the hate for it either.
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Old 12-10-2013, 14:23
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Nothing wrong with cheese or cliché, but after that a feeble attempt at a story for a few minutes....the end.
I still dislike Fear Her and Curse of the Black Spot more though.
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Old 12-10-2013, 14:24
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I actually prefer that abominable episode where Peter Kay turned into a Pre-Menstrual Teletubbie and the main character got a blow job off a Paving Slab.

At least that was original.
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Old 12-10-2013, 16:24
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Because they used singing to kill a monster.
No, they used a leaf.
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Old 12-10-2013, 18:28
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Tell you what I most disliked about it was all those diffetent aliens at the start. I just kept thinking god all the budgets gone on this lame story. They could have made a complete series with those aliens
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Old 12-10-2013, 18:36
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Rings of Akhaten is one of my favorite episodes. I was very suprised when I saw how many people dislike this episode. Some of them include this episode in the worst episodes comparing it with episodes like Love and Monsters and Fear Her, but I never saw any explanation why...
People usually criticize singing and leaf. But what's wrong with singing and what's wrong with leaf? Singing gave the episode charisma and recognizability. And using symbolism of leaf is very immaginative and creative idea to solve the problem IMO (much better then shooting, fighting and explosions, like in some much more appreciated episodes).
Also, Rings of Akhaten has excellent memorable speech and is very emotional episode with good atmosphere and really good acting.

So, why people hate Rings of Akhaten so much?
I absolutely loved it but I can also see why a lot of people don't like it as the first time I watched it, I was getting pretty annoyed with it. The opening few sequences are brilliant but after that the story gets a bit bogged down and the middle third was fairly poor on first watch although I've enjoyed it a lot more on rewatch. The Mummy and the Vigil do precious little at all and the story doesn't make a whole lot of sense, plus there's the standard overuse of the sonic. That said, the episode comes into its own in the final fifteen minutes and Matt Smith's speech was incredible. The acting is excellent and the emotion behind it is spectacular. I finished the episode loving it but fifteen minutes earlier I was a bit bored and annoyed. As I've said, it only gets better every time I rewatch it.
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Old 12-10-2013, 20:53
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Was decidedly underwhelmed on first viewing (didn't 'hate' it, mind.) but on subsequent viewings...it has it's moments. Agree its a good episode for Clara and it's heart is in the right place; it's just a bit muddled IMO.

Great 'Matt' moment with the speech at the end..and I have a fairly high 'cheese' threshold when 'Doctor Who' is concerned!

By the by, however some (including it's writer) might disparage 'The Beast Below' ; I quite happily admit I think it's a cracking and underrated episode.

"This is not going to be big on dignity!"
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Old 12-10-2013, 20:57
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I really enjoyed it. By no means a classic but plenty enough to make it a good episode. Even the budget Mos Eisley alien menagerie made it worth while.

I am surprised it has proven so divisive amongst fandom! While I am a passionate defender and fan of LAM I can see why that inspires such debate and mixed feelings. I found Rings to be quite sweet and inoffensive at the time. Still do. I guess its all about the leaf! But its not as if there haven't been slightly silly or divisive plot resolutions before.

I was far more annoyed by the end of Hide!
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Old 12-10-2013, 21:50
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It doesn't deserved to be grouped in with Fear Hear, Love & Monsters and Narnia in my opinion (as fandom seems to have judged it), but it was still a pretty poor-to-mehish episode.

Call me scarily psychic and all, but somehow I'm rather confident Rings will come last in DWM's Season Survey. And by quite the margin to.
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Old 12-10-2013, 22:09
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Too much sonic,too much singing too much alien grandson banging on the glass box,,,,written by great writer Neil cross ,,it defo growing on me ,,,matt should get his bafta with the speech
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Old 12-10-2013, 22:22
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My problem with the leaf wasn't that it was a leaf, but the bollocks explanation of why said leaf was so special. Unless the leaf actually smothered Clara's mother to death, how the hell did it represent all the days she didn't get to live?!

Now it representing the what if devastation (as seen in Name) of Clara never being born is another story.
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Old 12-10-2013, 23:19
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The leaf.

The Doctor, with all of the times that he changed billions of lives and the fate of the universe (The Genesis of The Daleks is a great example) did not have enough theoretical differential potential to destroy the monster, but a single leaf representing the change of a single life did?

It was crap writing. Pure and simple. Crap.
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Old 13-10-2013, 08:05
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It was one, like many through the last few episodes, that traded story for spectacle, and even then the effects weren't that good. There's a bit in the middle where the Dr goes missing for no apparent reason, add to that the leaf, and the resolution - all rather unsatisfactory.
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