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Has Natalie peaked too early?
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Sherlock_Holmes
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“Because I know she will be good whatever dance she's doing - I won't see an improvement from the previous week or anything and if I just wanted to see good dancing I'd either go to a proper dance show or ignore the earlier weeks & just watch the final”

This.

Also, to the people who say she is fun and feisty, imho Alesha was that (and she ain't no Alesha in terms of bubbly character).

One could argue that Fiona and Deborah have the most character out of the women in this series.
karina_
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“I don't really care about journeys and the like, so she hasn't peaked too early for me. But do I think it'll harm her chances with the rest of the public? Yep. Last year Denise had the unfortunate label of ringer straight away because she was good from the off and look what happened to her. Okay, she also rubbed people up the wrong way but still, she was pretty much crucified because she could dance from the start. I think if Natalie is to survive, she'll have to be endearing. Kara was fantastic from the start but she slid by any of the ringer nonsense because she was so likeable. Natalie will have to show a little more personality if she is to make it to the final - a place she already deserves to be.”

Although I haven't warmed to her personally, I think she will definitely make the final. If she ever found herself in the dance-off which is highly unlikely, she would not lose. Also Artem has a huge fanbase which will help.
Becky245
13-10-2013
Spent the last hour watching Kara and Artem's performances on strictly. I know he fancied Kara and she fancied him but there was way more chemistry between them than there is between Natalie and Artem. Just because Artem now has a girlfriend does not mean there is a reason for him and Natalie not to have chemistry... They just don't have chemistry... Simple as.
RichmondBlue
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“I don't really care about journeys and the like, so she hasn't peaked too early for me. But do I think it'll harm her chances with the rest of the public? Yep. Last year Denise had the unfortunate label of ringer straight away because she was good from the off and look what happened to her. Okay, she also rubbed people up the wrong way but still, she was pretty much crucified because she could dance from the start. I think if Natalie is to survive, she'll have to be endearing. Kara was fantastic from the start but she slid by any of the ringer nonsense because she was so likeable. Natalie will have to show a little more personality if she is to make it to the final - a place she already deserves to be.”

Spot on. I was going to post much the same but you've saved me the trouble.
I don't know how they select the celebrities, but there are nearly always one or two with previous dance experience. If you are going to choose people from show business, actors, singers etc, it stands to reason that a lot of them will have some dance experience..it goes with the territory.
Natalie was very good from the start, and she's still improving. She was exceptional tonight, but that's a lot to do with her mastery of the dance..we all know how difficult the rumba can be. Last week Sophie was brilliant, Susanna isn't far behind, nor is Ashley.
I don't see it as any different to other years, people have their favourites and take a (sometimes) irrational dislike to others.
Alli-F
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Becky245:
“Spent the last hour watching Kara and Artem's performances on strictly. I know he fancied Kara and she fancied him but there was way more chemistry between them than there is between Natalie and Artem. Just because Artem now has a girlfriend does not mean there is a reason for him and Natalie not to have chemistry... They just don't have chemistry... Simple as.”



There is no sexual chemistry between them, but there's definite friend and working chemistry. You can't create a rumba like that without it.

There's trust and synchronicity, they're brilliantly in tune with each other's movements, all part of chemistry.
marinamau
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Becky245:
“Spent the last hour watching Kara and Artem's performances on strictly. I know he fancied Kara and she fancied him but there was way more chemistry between them than there is between Natalie and Artem. Just because Artem now has a girlfriend does not mean there is a reason for him and Natalie not to have chemistry... They just don't have chemistry... Simple as.”

I don't think it s as simple as you put it. Funny that. Seeing chemistry is very subjective.

I do think they tremendous amount of chemistry. I just don't think they fancy each other all that much, which was obvious with Kara and Artem (electric sexual tension type of chemistry) but that is not the only kind of chemistry that exists.

I think they dance so similarly, their dance styles match so beautifully (something that is natural, you can't really learn). You can see both being happy, relax and confident in each other. I see plenty of chemistry.
marinamau
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“There is no sexual chemistry between them, but there's definite friend and working chemistry. You can't create a rumba like that without it.

There's trust and synchronicity, they're brilliantly in tune with each other's movements, all part of chemistry.”

You said better than I did. We were writing it at the same time!
tabithakitten
13-10-2013
I haven't warmed = I don't like but am trying to be tactful

Not fooled for a second . Say what you mean people!

(Cue posters insisting that it isn't that they don't like an individual/couple just that they aren't WOWED by them.)
Pet Monkey
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“I haven't warmed = I don't like but am trying to be tactful

Not fooled for a second . Say what you mean people!

(Cue posters insisting that it isn't that they don't like an individual/couple just that they aren't WOWED by them.)”

Actually 'I don't like but am trying to be tactful' wins points from me. Kindness to fellow posters easily tops kindness to contestants.
fatskia
13-10-2013
I want them to go for it.

That was Artem style choreography and Natalie was dancing as well as she could (I think) which I didn't think she did in week one.

I was glad to see that Rumba.

I want Artem to create some great choreography which will need Natalie to work very hard to get right. It will be better for both of them.
WallyWall2013
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by hannah:
“Nope she hasnt. She is amazing and out of all the celebs she is the one I look forward to the most each week.”

Same here. I don't think she's peaked at all and still can get even better. She's truly amazing and while she won't be the most improved celebrity, she'll always provide us amazing dancing which is what I want to see. I love watching celebs improve and have their journey but I also enjoy watching amazing dancing too.
coppertop1
13-10-2013
No she hasn't peaked to early for me , how lovely to be able to see someone else show casing Artems wonderful choreography and how wonderful for him to be emotional after a couple of years where he has struggled with having to showcase duff fish celebs.

I think Kara's fans are seeing something that is not there , they are 2lovely dancers, but Matalie is nothing like Kara and is obviously not his type so they are emphasising the friends aspect.

No one thought Natalie Lowe was in love with Brendan but I really love then dancing together and I get that dancer colleague vibe from them.

I hope the public appreciate her great dancing and all this nonsense about her being too good and a threat to.Kara is confined to the hotbed of DS.
MACTOWIN
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“No she hasn't peaked to early for me , how lovely to be able to see someone else show casing Artems wonderful choreography and how wonderful for him to be emotional after a couple of years where he has struggled with having to showcase duff fish celebs.

I think Kara's fans are seeing something that is not there , they are 2lovely dancers, but Matalie is nothing like Kara and is obviously not his type so they are emphasising the friends aspect.

No one thought Natalie Lowe was in love with Brendan but I really love then dancing together and I get that dancer colleague vibe from them.

I hope the public appreciate her great dancing and all this nonsense about her being too good and a threat to.Kara is confined to the hotbed of DS.”

The fact that they trained the most hours last week proves that they appreciate that they are not perfect a fact that some people seem to ignore.
lewiswm
13-10-2013
Yes, in terms of winning the show I believe she has. The GBP like a journey... A beginning middle and end . If we were a few weeks further in the competition Natalie would be getting 10s for last nights dance...
sofakat
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by marinamau:
“I don't think it s as simple as you put it. Funny that. Seeing chemistry is very subjective.

I do think they tremendous amount of chemistry. I just don't think they fancy each other all that much, which was obvious with Kara and Artem (electric sexual tension type of chemistry) but that is not the only kind of chemistry that exists.

I think they dance so similarly, their dance styles match so beautifully (something that is natural, you can't really learn). You can see both being happy, relax and confident in each other. I see plenty of chemistry.”

Totally agree with you, as usual.

'No chemistry' is just another way of saying,'I really, really do not like this celebrity dancer' without actually admitting that you do. Citing CVs and 'previous dance experience' is much the same. We have had such a rash of these posts this morning, after last night's amazing performance. It was ever thus!

If someone shines this brightly she is bound to become the subject of a lot of angry, hot air posts - but that's how forums are, aren't they?

I think Kara got some stick at the beginning, didn't she? And Louis? It is always the good dancers who get slammed at the beginning. That's the GBP for you.
sofakat
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“No she hasn't peaked to early for me , how lovely to be able to see someone else show casing Artems wonderful choreography and how wonderful for him to be emotional after a couple of years where he has struggled with having to showcase duff fish celebs.

I think Kara's fans are seeing something that is not there , they are 2lovely dancers, but Matalie is nothing like Kara and is obviously not his type so they are emphasising the friends aspect.

No one thought Natalie Lowe was in love with Brendan but I really love then dancing together and I get that dancer colleague vibe from them.

I hope the public appreciate her great dancing and all this nonsense about her being too good and a threat to.Kara is confined to the hotbed of DS.”

Well said!
bornfree
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Becky245:
“I'm trying to like her but I just can't because there's no journey involved... nothing to improve on. She's a great dancer but the show is about growing... I think she's peaked too early and this will go against her. Anyone else agree?”

IMO I think you have another agenda for not liking her. Even before you saw her dancing you had a downer on her.
Sophie - is a dancer
Ashley - is a dancer
Susanah has been to dance school
Fiona did ballet as a child

Most actors and actresses who go to stage school learn to dance. Does it mean they should notbe on SCD because they have been exposed to dance?
bornfree
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by rooto:
“She hasn't peaked - she's a good dancer, all of her moves look clean and effortless but she's not really performing just yet. Tonight for instance, she was beautiful and graceful, but there was a lack of chemistry with Artem and there was no emotion/dynamic in her performance.

Her problem isn't that she is too good, it's that she's just not likable.”

Perhaps to you she is not likeable, but on this forums, there are a lot of people who like her.
Monkseal
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“No she hasn't peaked to early for me , how lovely to be able to see someone else show casing Artems wonderful choreography and how wonderful for him to be emotional after a couple of years where he has struggled with having to showcase duff fish celebs..”

Yes, what a duffer. She can barely stand up.
bornfree
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Yes, what a duffer. She can barely stand up. ”

I liked Holly but I believe she had some dance training, wasnt she an actress and a singer?
Monkseal
13-10-2013
Dunno, I was just disagreeing with the idea that Artem has struggled through the Strictly wilderness like the dog days of Erin Boag.
Twenty10
13-10-2013
Personally, I'd rather see celebs learning to dance as the show progresses not come straight in as a dancer with years of experience. But there's nothing in the rules about it I guess. As was said previously, if we all wanted to watch perfect dancers we wouldn't be watching this show and it wouldn't be half as much fun.

Have to say it ruins it slightly for me when one of the contestants is a semi pro dancer. Yes, she's good but, for me, it's not what the show is about.
MACTOWIN
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Twenty10:
“Personally, I'd rather see celebs learning to dance as the show progresses not come straight in as a dancer with years of experience. But there's nothing in the rules about it I guess. As was said previously, if we all wanted to watch perfect dancers we wouldn't be watching this show and it wouldn't be half as much fun.

Have to say it ruins it slightly for me when one of the contestants is a semi pro dancer. Yes, she's good but, for me, it's not what the show is about.”

If she was a semi pro then she would have been paid for Dancing I would be grateful if you could provide evidence when she was paid for Dancing.
fatskia
13-10-2013
I think Artem was tearing up because he had put together what he thought was choreography he could be proud of and he had taught Natalie well enough for her to deliver it the way he wanted.
That's as it should be.

I thought Artem could have put a bit more emotion into the dance as Natalie seemed to contribute more to the chemistry and more chemistry is the only thing I would have wished for in the dance.

Thought Natalie was class.
Sherlock_Holmes
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by lewiswm:
“Yes, in terms of winning the show I believe she has. The GBP like a journey... A beginning middle and end . If we were a few weeks further in the competition Natalie would be getting 10s for last nights dance...”

Think that only the men (and rachel) can win through the journey arc.
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