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She wasn't better than Ben or Abby, yet she scored more, which baffles me.
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I was just making a point about other dances, which were at least on a par with hers, not being scored as highly.
I just quoted your post because you were talking about other dancers in comparison to her, and I was doing the same. |
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She wasn't better than Ben or Abby, yet she scored more, which baffles me.
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That is the most un educated post about dance quality I have ever seen on this forum... Dragging her around?? Have you danced a samba a or learnt it in a week.. The opening post is appauling and nice to see Sophie got positive comments following it, it wasn't a ten but for week three was a good effort I really hope they get to finals
To then say I have nothing against her but... You obviously do, I remember Chris Charleston as overrated and full of silly moves, nickys I don't even remember, sophies was classic and in another week would have been all tens Perhaps you could argue that my description was a tad harsh but when you see judges offer almost no criticism of a dance you considered poor, it's easy to get carried away. Also, I repeat I do not have anything against her (except that tattoo). I objected to her scores/praise. As for another poster taking issue with my Dave comment, I agree he danced it poorly, yes even more so than Sophie. My argument that he at least showed energy and effort was in my opinion valid. It's difficult to split them. |
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I like Sophie, but wish she'd learn to let go.
She needs to learn to develop a more supple back for Latin and use the floor more to get a true hip movement rather than trying to make her hips move. I often see this in beginners when they've not learned that the movement comes from weight change, dancing into the floor and learning how to bend and flex your legs. Sorry, it is a lot easier to demonstrate than put into words! Samba is a bitch of dance, to be fair, and not suited to the English at all! Most of them find it excruiating to do unless they are very comfortable with their bodies and letting loose!To a latino or latina it's natural but others find it a bit rude at first! |
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Maybe you have got it......! Swan song as in her last dance as a good performance! Especially since many who are are expected to do great things, simply don't..........! But continue to be praised and over marked........
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Maybe you have got it......! Swan song as in her last dance as a good performance! Especially since many who are are expected to do great things, simply don't..........! But continue to be praised and over marked........
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This is all rubbish.
Sophie has negotiated the Samba hurdle - that's what it is, an obstacle. It was a bit ungainly in places but it's water under the bridge now with open seas ahead. A hard dance safely negotiated. |
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Yes , I know what a swan song is .But how it could possibly be " evident " that it is is beyond me .How could any one know whats to come .So NO its not evident at all .
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Clearly the OP has a crystal ball. Perhaps he/she could PM me next week's lottery numbers.
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It has nothing to do with prediction! She has no core strength and consequently will never beat her charleston performance unless she does another charleston!
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The thread start keeps using the term "swan song". I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
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Forget the dancing, from what I've seen on this and other forums Sophie is the sort of person that a lot of people (mainly women) see as aloof and/or lacking personality.
It happens every year, if you are not liked you'll get a lot of pseudo-experts giving negative opinions purely out of spite. |
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She wasn't better than Ben or Abby, yet she scored more, which baffles me.
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It has nothing to do with prediction! She has no core strength and consequently will never beat her charleston performance unless she does another charleston!
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Exactly! Judged entirely on her performance last week, still dazzling the judges, from that performance.
Personally, I thought she did a good samba. It wasn't mindblowing but after only a week's training in week 3 I have seen far worse and I am sure we will see better dances from her in future weeks (quickstep in particular should be brilliant given that it is partially derived from the Charleston). Her leaderboard position this week was about right so I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that the judges were not scoring her objectively. |
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Curse that Darcey Bussell for introducing the term "core strength" into the Strictly vocabulary.
Sofakat has been talking about it for years on here and I listen to her, she knows her stuff. Sophie has a very loose-limbed, cool style but she is quite floppy, it was more noticeable in her waltz.
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Curse that Darcey Bussell for introducing the term "core strength" into the Strictly vocabulary.
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Sofakat has been talking about it for years on here and I listen to her, she knows her stuff.
Sophie has a very loose-limbed, cool style but she is quite floppy, it was more noticeable in her waltz. |
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No way! Abbey is more talented by far, and more endearing........ Ben is doing great but cannot be pushed into moves quite as easily by Christina as Brendon can with the willowy Sophie.....!
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No way! Abbey is more talented by far, and more endearing........ Ben is doing great but cannot be pushed into moves quite as easily by Christina as Brendon can with the willowy Sophie.....!
Ben up until this week has been pretty bad. His rumba this week was much better but that doesn't mean he has turned a corner. It might be that rumba just suited him (maybe its the only one he doesn't need core strength for ).
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I don't think we have any evidence that Abbey is more talented than Sophie so far. Her waltz was very good but last week's salsa wasn't her dance and jive wasn't her dance this week either.
Ben up until this week has been pretty bad. His rumba this week was much better but that doesn't mean he has turned a corner. It might be that rumba just suited him (maybe its the only one he doesn't need core strength for ). |
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Curse that Darcey Bussell for introducing the term "core strength" into the Strictly vocabulary.
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Yes, how dare a hugely respected dancer actually use any specific terms ... the clue is in the word "core" it's central to anything you do with your body.
Not accusing anyone here of course...
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I like Sophie, but wish she'd learn to let go.
She needs to learn to develop a more supple back for Latin and use the floor more to get a true hip movement rather than trying to make her hips move. I often see this in beginners when they've not learned that the movement comes from weight change, dancing into the floor and learning how to bend and flex your legs. Sorry, it is a lot easier to demonstrate than put into words! Samba is a bitch of dance, to be fair, and not suited to the English at all! Most of them find it excruiating to do unless they are very comfortable with their bodies and letting loose!To a latino or latina it's natural but others find it a bit rude at first!
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Most of them find it excruiating to do unless they are very comfortable with their bodies and letting loose!
