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Old 13-10-2013, 09:34
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I've been watching a lot of Classic Who recently, and it's got me wondering - are there any monsters/aliens/creatures from the classic series for which we have no record of how they actually looked? I mean creatures which appeared in now missing serials who - for some reason - don't appear in telesnaps or photographs either?

If there are, surely these stories would be high on any "found episodes" wish list...
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Old 13-10-2013, 17:58
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I do not know but these are episodes no telesnaps exist for:

Missing episodes with no telesnaps existing
* "Marco Polo
"*episode 4
* "The Reign of Terror
"*episodes 4 & 5
* "Galaxy 4
"*- episodes 1-2 & 4
* "Mission to the Unknown
"
* "The Myth Makers
"*- all episodes
* "The Daleks' Master Plan
"*- episodes 1, 3-4, 6, 8-9 and 11-12. Twenty low quality and mostly very blurry images exist of "The Feast of Steven
" thanks to the amateur efforts of actor*Robert Jewell
* a*Dalek operator
*who worked on*"The Daleks' Master Plan". But these aren't quite the same as telesnaps. Jewell was apparently just pointing his off-the-shelf camera at the television screen and clicking. Consequently, all are blurry to one degree or another, and in no way rival Cura's work.

* "The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve
"*- all episodes
* "The Celestial Toymaker
"*episodes 1-3
* "The Invasion
"*episodes 1 & 4
* "The Space Pirates
"*episodes 1, 3-6Notes
* Although no telesnaps are known to exist from*"Marco Polo"*episode 4, contemporary BBC documentation indicates they*"were"*taken.

this was copied from http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Telesnap

I hope this helps towards finding an answer as it is an interesting question.

ps, I did this on my phone so apologise in advance if it is a mess
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Old 13-10-2013, 19:04
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I've been watching a lot of Classic Who recently, and it's got me wondering - are there any monsters/aliens/creatures from the classic series for which we have no record of how they actually looked? I mean creatures which appeared in now missing serials who - for some reason - don't appear in telesnaps or photographs either?

If there are, surely these stories would be high on any "found episodes" wish list...
IIRC the only monsters with no visual record at all, not even photographs, are all from The Daleks' Masterplan. The bird-like Screamers from part 3, and the visible forms of the Visians from part 6. Also the production team made changes to the casting and appearance of some of the alien delegates for parts 8 and 11, and we don't know exactly what they ended up like,

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Old 13-10-2013, 21:00
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IIRC the only monsters with no visual record at all, not even photographs, are all from The Daleks' Masterplan. The bird-like Screamers from part 3, and the visible forms of the Visians from part 6. Also the production team made changes to the casting and appearance of some of the alien delegates for parts 8 and 11, and we don't know exactly what they ended up like,
There's an off-screen photo that's technically of one of the Screamers of Desperus - unfortunately, it was taken at exactly the wrong moment and it's just a blur! So we still don't know what they look like.

There's also a pretty major character from The Space Pirates, Dom Issigri, that we've got no real idea of what he looks like.
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:21
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Thanks for the replies so far. I'm fascinated that even with all the stuff the BBC and various fans have managed to salvage over the years that there are still things which could take us by complete surprise if these episodes are ever discovered! Imagine if all images of the Daleks had been lost and they'd only made the one story - what would we be imagining when we hear the voices via the audio?!
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Old 14-10-2013, 18:52
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and the visible forms of the Visians from part 6.
There is an off screen photo of a Visian being exterminated (although it's possibly from a recon) - do a Google image search for Visian Doctor Who to find it.
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Old 14-10-2013, 19:20
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I'm actually quite surprised that there's anything from actually recorded Doctor Who episodes that there's no surviving visual record of at all.
Most TV programmes, certainly dramas, would normally have had extensive photographs taken on set for continuity reference reasons if nothing else, so I can only assume that for some episodes these were not kept for some reason.
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Old 14-10-2013, 19:44
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There is an off screen photo of a Visian being exterminated (although it's possibly from a recon) - do a Google image search for Visian Doctor Who to find it.
That would be here. Surely from a recon, but the recon's source may or may not be authentic.
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Old 14-10-2013, 19:51
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It's from the Loose Cannon recon, and it's not authentic but "loosely based on a sketch of the Visians as remembered by Jan Vincent Rudzki."
http://www.recons.com/features/lc20x-6.htm
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Old 14-10-2013, 21:36
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It's from the Loose Cannon recon, and it's not authentic but "loosely based on a sketch of the Visians as remembered by Jan Vincent Rudzki."
http://www.recons.com/features/lc20x-6.htm
Well, at least that's something. Thanks.
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Old 14-10-2013, 23:24
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I too am amazed that there are some monsters etc that there are no visuals whatsoever for. Great thread this. Cheers. Hope this excellent thread helps find something new.
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Old 15-10-2013, 06:16
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I was thinking what about the "Faceless Ones" but they as monsters haven't been lost in terms of images.

Do a google pic search & you will see they look pretty good (spooky).

Maybe it's just me but for some reason I'd love to see this story return. It was set on modern day earth, from the 2 episodes surviving appeared to have real potential, was a bit like an Avengers episode & was written by Malcolm Hulke -one of the best writers of the original series. Fingers crossed on that one.
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Old 15-10-2013, 07:51
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What an interesting thread. Thanks for starting this one.
It's amazing really that there are still some, just a few, monsters that we have no visual record of. I wonder if there are any design sketches of Visians and Screamers?

And has it ever been conclusively proved which of the alien delegates from MTTU / DMP are which? Do we actually know which one is Celation, and which one is Beaus etc?
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Old 15-10-2013, 08:14
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I was thinking what about the "Faceless Ones" but they as monsters haven't been lost in terms of images
Before the telesnaps turned up in 1992, there was no known photo beyond the hand and back of the head shot at the end of episode three of The Faceless Ones.

The Rills had nothing for a long time, I don't remember when their two photos turned up.
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Old 15-10-2013, 08:41
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And has it ever been conclusively proved which of the alien delegates from MTTU / DMP are which? Do we actually know which one is Celation, and which one is Beaus etc?
We've always been sure of Malpha (cracked face guy in the white spacesuit), Trantis (bloke with spines on his face and no arms), Celation (because we knew what he looked like because we didn't know what he looked like, he wasn't in Mission to the Unknown, but he's the guy with the spots) and Zephon (he's in a publicity photo alongside Mavik Chen).

However, it wasn't until Day of Armageddon turned up that we realised we'd got everything else wrong and everybody had changed appearance! We know that Sentreal and Warrien are in MttU but not in DoA, so they must be the big Christmas tree bloke and the other guy in the white spacesuit with the big hat, but that meant that the eggheaded bloke with no face, formerly known as Sentreal, must be Gearon...

It was all very confusing!
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Old 15-10-2013, 10:24
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They changed the appearance of The Slither between the 1st and 2nd broadcasts of it, didn't they?
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Old 15-10-2013, 10:57
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We've always been sure of Malpha (cracked face guy in the white spacesuit), Trantis (bloke with spines on his face and no arms), Celation (because we knew what he looked like because we didn't know what he looked like, he wasn't in Mission to the Unknown, but he's the guy with the spots) and Zephon (he's in a publicity photo alongside Mavik Chen).

However, it wasn't until Day of Armageddon turned up that we realised we'd got everything else wrong and everybody had changed appearance! We know that Sentreal and Warrien are in MttU but not in DoA, so they must be the big Christmas tree bloke and the other guy in the white spacesuit with the big hat, but that meant that the eggheaded bloke with no face, formerly known as Sentreal, must be Gearon...

It was all very confusing!
We have problems that fans of a lot of other shows don't! Maybe that adversity is what makes us so fierce in whatever each of us sees as protecting the show.
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Old 15-10-2013, 12:13
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I've only recently finished watching/listening to all of the Hartnell and Troughton stories. The one visual I particularly missed was what the Trojan Horse looked like in the Myth Makers.
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Old 15-10-2013, 13:10
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I've only recently finished watching/listening to all of the Hartnell and Troughton stories. The one visual I particularly missed was what the Trojan Horse looked like in the Myth Makers.
The actual model still exists for that one, I think.
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Old 15-10-2013, 13:19
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We've always been sure of Malpha (cracked face guy in the white spacesuit), Trantis (bloke with spines on his face and no arms), Celation (because we knew what he looked like because we didn't know what he looked like, he wasn't in Mission to the Unknown, but he's the guy with the spots) and Zephon (he's in a publicity photo alongside Mavik Chen).

However, it wasn't until Day of Armageddon turned up that we realised we'd got everything else wrong and everybody had changed appearance! We know that Sentreal and Warrien are in MttU but not in DoA, so they must be the big Christmas tree bloke and the other guy in the white spacesuit with the big hat, but that meant that the eggheaded bloke with no face, formerly known as Sentreal, must be Gearon...

It was all very confusing!
Nice one - thanks!
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Old 15-10-2013, 13:23
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The actual model still exists for that one, I think.
Here's a photo of the model - looks a bit spindly TBH...
http://www.recons.com/recons/lc03.htm
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Old 15-10-2013, 13:29
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I've only recently finished watching/listening to all of the Hartnell and Troughton stories. The one visual I particularly missed was what the Trojan Horse looked like in the Myth Makers.
If you want to watch the recon based on the original model, it starts here.

Or to skip straight to the horse, go here.
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Old 15-10-2013, 13:51
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If you want to watch the recon based on the original model, it starts here.

Or to skip straight to the horse, go here.
Thanks. I'll take a look when I'm not at work
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Old 15-10-2013, 14:20
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I've only recently finished watching/listening to all of the Hartnell and Troughton stories. The one visual I particularly missed was what the Trojan Horse looked like in the Myth Makers.
Speaking of The Myth Makers, there's another character we've got no images of - Meneleus.

There weren't any known photos of Cassandra for a long time, either.
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Old 15-10-2013, 14:54
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in Planet of the Daleks, the Spiridons are completely invisible. So we never see them.

When moving around they wear purple fur coats, otherwise they couldn't see each other, either !

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8067/8...8b6663ed_z.jpg

Dr Who then disguises himself as a Spiridon, by wearing a purple fur coat. Which is really cool hip and trippy, daddyo, and slightly more fashionable than than his usual Austin Powers frilly shirt ........

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...purple_852.jpg

http://kittridge.files.wordpress.com...wee1.jpg?w=614
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