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Old 13-10-2013, 13:44
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Surely even an idiot can work out that this is code for "we're keeping you in for now but in a few weeks you're going under the bus sunshine".

Poor Sam. He's so desperate that he's going to stay in and let them use him like a farm animal.
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:21
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Not really.

The thing is that a performer isn't just about the voice - which is why nobody from The Voice has made it big! You've got to have a bit of everything.

Take 1D for example. Their voices aren't all the best. However, they've got the look, they've got the likeability and when you see them now on stage they definitely have a presence. Olly - again, he's not got the best voice, but he has the look and stage presence. Cher, same again. Union J, Little Mix, they're doing well and it's down to a bit more than voice.
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:23
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Yes agree - it was such a ridiculous comment. You're not a great singer but you're the whole package??? What??

That poor lad - what is he meant to make of that critique? Your voice is shite but it doesn't matter?

He should not be there anyway - they should have shoved him and Nicholas in a boyband as they are not strong enough on their own.
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:24
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Surely even an idiot can work out that this is code for "we're keeping you in for now but in a few weeks you're going under the bus sunshine".

Poor Sam. He's so desperate that he's going to stay in and let them use him like a farm animal.
Sounds like something Nicole will say
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:25
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thing is you could have paraphrased that critique for almost every act last night

a good number of them were very poor vocally but that got overlooked by the judges who concentrated on image and performance
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:26
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Not really.

The thing is that a performer isn't just about the voice - which is why nobody from The Voice has made it big! You've got to have a bit of everything.

Take 1D for example. Their voices aren't all the best. However, they've got the look, they've got the likeability and when you see them now on stage they definitely have a presence. Olly - again, he's not got the best voice, but he has the look and stage presence. Cher, same again. Union J, Little Mix, they're doing well and it's down to a bit more than voice.
Here's the deal, though: 1D, Cher, etc. weren't outed for their vocals, especially not this early when they are getting first impressions.
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:26
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Surely even an idiot can work out that this is code for "we're keeping you in for now but in a few weeks you're going under the bus sunshine".

Poor Sam. He's so desperate that he's going to stay in and let them use him like a farm animal.
I thought it was the "full," package?.....at which point I thought Oooh, Louis bold, you go too far, far, too far"

But, however, it's interpreted, Sam C doesn't have either the whole, or the full package, he's pretty average vocally and a great bod can only get a person so far..

But, at least the loss of the gonky hairstyle is a big step forward IMO.

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Old 13-10-2013, 14:26
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Sam and Luke are very weak and won't last long. Nicholas is good but doesn't have the experience or performance skills yet. Rough copy, kings land road and Tamera look to be complete performers already and look to be in a different league to all the others.
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:29
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It basically means that they can't sing but girls/boys want to have sexy times with you, so you will make it a fair way based on people voting with their ovaries/penises.
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Old 13-10-2013, 14:33
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Here's the deal, though: 1D, Cher, etc. weren't outed for their vocals, especially not this early when they are getting first impressions.
They seem to be going for credibility this season though, following off the heels of James Arthur, hence the lack of a joke act and the call outs on voice. In 2010 when we had Cher/1D the ratings were pretty damn secure whereas now they're dropping.

They know Sam's voice isn't his main asset so it was already in the script for them to read off, when Miss Dynamix who were worse weren't meant to be nearly as bad.
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Old 13-10-2013, 16:19
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They seem to be going for credibility this season though, following off the heels of James Arthur, hence the lack of a joke act and the call outs on voice. In 2010 when we had Cher/1D the ratings were pretty damn secure whereas now they're dropping.

They know Sam's voice isn't his main asset so it was already in the script for them to read off, when Miss Dynamix who were worse weren't meant to be nearly as bad.
Hmm...

That's an interesting statement, they might be but I think they either aren't or they are but don't know what they are doing.

There is a problem with this years final 12 and I think I cottoned onto what I think it is in the big band week thread. This might get slightly long so my apologies.


There are only a few contestants this year who are actually properly shit vocally (ignoring the fact that I think a fair few of them were deliberately tripped up yesterday).

The boys category is basically shit vocally; they threw the boys who had something identifiable under a bus at JH, although it was thing on the ground anyway. I can only really make an argument for Paul.

They did much the same with the overs choosing three fairly big voices that lack any discernible style or distinct quality (just a big/bigish voice) and sent home the other three who did have some kind of discernible style or distinct quality.

If I put Lorna, Sam and Shelly next to each other, you can argue different styles but it's trivial, they are basically generic ballad singers.

I think the final 3 should have been the other three, even though one of them messed up the final note. Ignoring that and Josephs desperation they were all different and had a discernible quality that the other three don't have.

On the groups, I've actually forgotten the final 6 now. I don't think the groups have that much about them either.

Rough Copy are pop brand RnB; they are polished but they are JLS Mk 2, the other boy group... I don't really know what they are, they are like a bubble gum hipster thing or something, again generic though.

The girl group just fell on their arses.


The girls category is the closest thing to something that resembles discernible styles but it don't work because they are again generic and aren't actually that strong in what they do.

We have a soulful/rnb singer in Hannah, she is the only one who I can pick out and say "you have this". But there is still something a bit paint by numbers about her and her voice isn't proving to be as strong or polished as expected, there is a very noticeable weakness.

Abi is interesting and kind of indie but I don't think she is that strong vocally, she has the "style" of an indie, hippie, artistic girl but not the vocal quality to pull it off. That one was in the overs and they sent her home.


Tamera is generic pop brand RnB who has a decent voice and a marketable image, she is the girls category version of the typical boys category boy, but with a stronger voice than her counterpart. Again she has no distinctive style to her, she is basically like Rhianna but we have Rhianna and a thousand others.


There are quite a few this year that actually have decent voices though, the girls and overs are the obvious ones but they are most all cookie cutter cardboard cutouts who can sing a variety of ways decently but no single way well and have no discernible style or quality to their voices.


They all lack any kind of authenticity to their voices or personalities or even have an identifiable style outside of sing by numbers, do whatever they are given.

I think an identifiable style, credibility and authenticity are tightly linked, you can't really have credibility without the other two.
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Old 13-10-2013, 16:54
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Surely even an idiot can work out that this is code for "we're keeping you in for now but in a few weeks you're going under the bus sunshine".
He'll be thrown under the bus the moment he's in danger of beating one of the chosen acts
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:01
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Paul was robbed - the best in the boys category by a country mile
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:21
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Paul was robbed - the best in the boys category by a country mile
Spot on.

Then again it was Louis who made the brain dead decision to dump Paul in favour of the great Shampoo Dodger.
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:22
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I fail to recognise this statement though.
How can someone have the full package if they don't have the voice to fit? Surely the full package would be the attitude, the style, the look and the voice? If one of them isn't up to par, then how is it the full package?

Am I the only one who views that statement as a contradiction?
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:24
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I fail to recognise this statement though.
How can someone have the full package if they don't have the voice to fit? Surely the full package would be the attitude, the style, the look and the voice? If one of them isn't up to par, then how is it the full package?

Am I the only one who views that statement as a contradiction?
I agree. To have 'The Whole Package' to me, means you have looks, likeable factor and the voice.
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:25
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I fail to recognise this statement though.
How can someone have the full package if they don't have the voice to fit? Surely the full package would be the attitude, the style, the look and the voice? If one of them isn't up to par, then how is it the full package?

Am I the only one who views that statement as a contradiction?
I think the judges mean they have ¾ of the package, LOL.
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:27
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I fail to recognise this statement though.
How can someone have the full package if they don't have the voice to fit? Surely the full package would be the attitude, the style, the look and the voice? If one of them isn't up to par, then how is it the full package?

Am I the only one who views that statement as a contradiction?
Its an XF buzz word that doesn't really exist / matter outside of the show in the real world.

A bit like "versatility" and being a "one trick pony" if you only do one style well. Out in the real world, pretty much every singer, musician and band are one trick pony's and are not versatile by XF's jargon.

Its just bleh to get the audience nodding at whatever direction it is the show wants to direct them in.
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:28
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Sam and Luke are very weak and won't last long. Nicholas is good but doesn't have the experience or performance skills yet. Rough copy, kings land road and Tamera look to be complete performers already and look to be in a different league to all the others.
Olly Murs was week a lot of the time and look at him now

Nicholas looked very comfotable on stage last night also
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:51
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The "judges" offered no critique last night. They read out the producers' script and praised the ones the producers like and criticised the ones they want off the show.
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Old 13-10-2013, 18:58
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The "judges" offered no critique last night. They read out the producers' script and praised the ones the producers like and criticised the ones they want off the show.
Although sometimes, they criticize acts to get their fans to vote in droves (e.g. Rylan, Jedward,... pretty much every week until their expiration date).
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Old 13-10-2013, 19:01
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The "judges" offered no critique last night. They read out the producers' script and praised the ones the producers like and criticised the ones they want off the show.
Most of their critiques were actually fairly accurate, I thought; it was in papering over the problems with the ones that the producers want to keep that they were following a script.
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Old 13-10-2013, 19:22
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Its an XF buzz word that doesn't really exist / matter outside of the show in the real world.

A bit like "versatility" and being a "one trick pony" if you only do one style well. Out in the real world, pretty much every singer, musician and band are one trick pony's and are not versatile by XF's jargon.

Its just bleh to get the audience nodding at whatever direction it is the show wants to direct them in.
Then of course there is "cruise ship singer" which is regularly used by the judges as a form of insult whereas being a cruise ship singer means you would have regular work in the music business which is more than most X Factor constestants ever will
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Old 13-10-2013, 19:40
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Then of course there is "cruise ship singer" which is regularly used by the judges as a form of insult whereas being a cruise ship singer means you would have regular work in the music business which is more than most X Factor constestants ever will
Yes...

Oh and "musical theater", as if the West End and Broadway are the end of the road for washed up nobodies.
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Old 13-10-2013, 19:41
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Not really.

The thing is that a performer isn't just about the voice - which is why nobody from The Voice has made it big! You've got to have a bit of everything.

Take 1D for example. Their voices aren't all the best. However, they've got the look, they've got the likeability and when you see them now on stage they definitely have a presence. Olly - again, he's not got the best voice, but he has the look and stage presence. Cher, same again. Union J, Little Mix, they're doing well and it's down to a bit more than voice.
But, surely "the whole package" includes a more-than-okay voice? I agree with the OP, it makes zero sense saying somebody doesn't have the best voice and then saying they're the "whole package" seconds later.

Basically, it's just another cliche comment the judges use without thinking of the context.
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