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Aliona speaks out...
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fatskia
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I'm not sure why Aliona's miffed?

If she was convinced when asked to come back that they'd partner her with someone who wouldn't last long, she had the option to say no thanks. No one FORCED her to fill in.

Be grateful for the opportunity. Tons of dancers would kill for a gig on Strictly - however long or short.”

She hasn't actually said she is miffed. She said she looked sad and upset because of the comments Tony got from the judges.

She is just explaining that she knew the producers having rejected her and then having to bring her back were going to put her with Tony.
She hasn't said she was unhappy to be paired with him.

Aliona has said that it was a pleasure to work with Tony and they are now friends.
Jan2555*GG*
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“She retweeted the article so I doubt she feels misrepresented.”

You mean she hasn't blocked you .
teeswolf
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“She hasn't actually said she is miffed. She said she looked sad and upset because of the comments Tony got from the judges.

She is just explaining that she knew the producers having rejected her and then having to bring her back were going to put her with Tony.
She hasn't said she was unhappy to be paired with him.

Aliona has said that it was a pleasure to work with Tony and they are now friends.”

Exactly. Well said.
kp2ni
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“She probably does agree with it. I think most people would agree with it. Doesn't mean she actually said those things to a reporter.”

I agree with what she said as well but if she wants to be back next year it isn't the smartest move to make.

Aliona is entitled to her opinion and can voice them just like the producers has the right to not invite her back it is their decision.

Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I'm not sure why Aliona's miffed?

If she was convinced when asked to come back that they'd partner her with someone who wouldn't last long, she had the option to say no thanks. No one FORCED her to fill in.

Be grateful for the opportunity. Tons of dancers would kill for a gig on Strictly - however long or short.”

Totally agree Sid I'm sure there are plenty of dancers who would have loved that spot and didn't really understand why the producers invited her back after firing her in the first place.
kp2ni
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“It's not the case you vanish forever anyway if you go out first week, aren't you contracted for the series? Admittedly you're not as visible on the pro dances as you are with a celeb, but you are there. Do you get paid the same regardless, I'm under the impression that the pros are, because they are working every week and also there is a chance a pro could get injured and one might have to step in like Brendan did once.”

Aliona is doing two pro dances tonight one with Brendan & the other with Alijaz but no one knows how it will work when Natalie is back although they have less females than males anyways
ewoodie
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by kp2ni:
“I agree with what she said as well but if she wants to be back next year it isn't the smartest move to make.

Aliona is entitled to her opinion and can voice them just like the producers has the right to not invite her back it is their decision.

Totally agree Sid I'm sure there are plenty of dancers who would have loved that spot and didn't really understand why the producers invited her back after firing her in the first place.”


I have to agree with these comments.

James and Brendan have had their moments but those have been on air. I think Aliona has done something behind the scenes that we don't know about.

Aliona has got on my nerves at times. But after not being on the show for most of last year, I was glad to see Aliona back this year. I think as far as SCD is concerned she has just committed professional suicide.
fatskia
13-10-2013
Aliona with Johnny and Tony - got on very well with both of them. Did a good job in both cases.

http://sellmystory.london-media.co.u...ED_2735_21.jpg

http://twitpic.com/dh6iyr/full
A.D.P
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by JVS:
“No doubt her detractors will think of a lot of reasons why she's wrong, but I think Aliona is 100% correct. Her card was marked when Len heard her say (on ITT, during his break from DWTS) that she takes no notice of the judges' comments.

They partnered Aliona with Johnny Ball last year as a pre-emptive ploy to remove her from the show - her success with Matt Baker and Harry Judd preventing an unseemly earlier exit. Reluctantly recalled this year, they promptly did a reshuffle to get her paired with no-hoper Tony Jacklin.

Brendan, Anton and James Jordan can be controversial, but woe betide any of the others that rock the boat.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/s...vilani-2366315”



This is a great way to ensure she will not be back.


Bite the hand that feeds you, never a good idea.

So what did James do wrong then, or Karen, what did Anton do wrong in previous years, I think it's all luck of the draw.
-Sid-
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“She hasn't actually said she is miffed. She said she looked sad and upset because of the comments Tony got from the judges.

She is just explaining that she knew the producers having rejected her and then having to bring her back were going to put her with Tony.
She hasn't said she was unhappy to be paired with him.

Aliona has said that it was a pleasure to work with Tony and they are now friends.”

She says BBC producers gave her the contestant they were sure would be booted out first because they had been forced to rehire her after axing her from the series earlier this year.

The pro dancer, brought back to replace injured Natalie Lowe, said: “I knew 100 per cent I’d be paired with Tony. It was so obvious to me.

“If the producers say they don’t want you on the show and then, because of circumstance, they need to ask you to come back then they are going to put you with who they think will lose the competition."


^ She sounds miffed to me ^

I promise I'm not having a go at Aliona for the sake of it. But she agreed to replace an injured pro, knowing she'd likely be paired with Tony, and then moaned about it. Makes no sense at all. Why didn't she just decline the request to come back?
missfrankiecat
13-10-2013
I'm not a fan of Aliona's style nor choreography but I don't see what she has said that is wrong or even controversial in that article. She said respectful things about her partner. It's not rocket science that had Natalie been uninjured Tony would almost certainly have been dancing with one of the newbies - Anya or Janette; nor is it surprising that having already given Aliona the elbow they put her with the person least likely to survive the opening weeks. She could hardly have expected otherwise, and to be fair, doesn't really suggest that she did. I'm puzzled that she came back on the terms that she did, but she must have had some commercial reasoning to do so.
ewoodie
13-10-2013
I wonder if she is contracted to appear again this series?
katkim
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by Kaereste:
“Glad to see her go as I find her rather self-obsessed. Someone had to partner Tony and why does she think that she is so special that it shouldn't have been her? Most of the seasoned professionals have had a weak partner at some point.”

I think the same as you. If it hadn't been Aliona, it would have had to be another pro, and not sure why Aliona or any pro should feel they should only partner likely winners and it's a big conspiracy when maybe just maybe it was their turn to get a less able partner - the same as when Darren got Gloria Huniford, Flavia got Jimmy Tarbuck, Ola got Paul Daniels and Anton getting Ann Widdecombe.

Also, I know they are all competitive and want to stay in as long as possible, but someone has to go first. That's the nature of the show, and that is partly up to us, not the BBC.
poshtamfan
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“She says BBC producers gave her the contestant they were sure would be booted out first because they had been forced to rehire her after axing her from the series earlier this year.

The pro dancer, brought back to replace injured Natalie Lowe, said: “I knew 100 per cent I’d be paired with Tony. It was so obvious to me.

“If the producers say they don’t want you on the show and then, because of circumstance, they need to ask you to come back then they are going to put you with who they think will lose the competition."


^ She sounds miffed to me ^

I promise I'm not having a go at Aliona for the sake of it. But she agreed to replace an injured pro, knowing she'd likely be paired with Tony, and then moaned about it. Makes no sense at all. Why didn't she just decline the request to come back?”

I think she moaned about the way Tony was treated by the judges. It is interesting that Craig who is obsessed with hands/arms did not notice how nice Tony's were in the waltz on the Saturday night. Funny he did on ITTon the Monday. No wonder she was miffed. She was not miffed she got Tony. He was a lovely partner and they became good friends.
marinamau
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by olivej:
“why do so many people have a problem with Aliona speaking her mind?

It's always so taboo where she is concerned, it's a free country, she can say what she wants, when she wants!

All she has said is that she knew she would get partnered with Tony, she enjoyed teaching him and dancing with him and they quickly became friends and that she feels the judges didn't respect what a 69 year old achieved in a short space of time

No matter what Aliona does, in this forums eyes, it's wrong! It's not wrong when James speaks his mind or Brendan for that matter or any of the other pros, they don't trashed or bitched about quite like Aliona does

I actually agree with what she has said, she hasn't been nasty or vindictive, just spoke her mind and I don't see anything wrong with that”

I agree completely.

Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“Hear hear. I read the thing nervously because I didn't want to discover she had condemned the guy she had partnered... That would have told me my own human instincts are squiffy because I saw summat good and natural between them in the short while they were on the show. But she didn't. She defended him and their situation in the line-up well. I hope she's back. The show needs Pros who will be strongly on the side of their celebs. Plus I like the fact I don't mistake her for 'yet another blonde' in the Pro dances. She helps my eyesight.”

What she says is quite right. Yes she will not get asked back, but she hasn't said anything that is nasty in itself, she was and has been supportive of her celebrity, which is her duty.
Should she have been happy and smiley when they were really nasty to Tony? Yes,he was hopeless but not more so than at least three other celebs who are younger and by the looks of more fit.
Aliona could have taken the high road. Still would not have been asked back.
As mentioned, It's funny that of three long standing males pros, two of them say much more anti judges comments and do it more often, yet they have been asked b ck time after time.

Double standards, and / or something we are not seeing, which is my suspicion (the old standing pros/ production team do hate her with or without reason).
kp2ni
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“She says BBC producers gave her the contestant they were sure would be booted out first because they had been forced to rehire her after axing her from the series earlier this year.

The pro dancer, brought back to replace injured Natalie Lowe, said: “I knew 100 per cent I’d be paired with Tony. It was so obvious to me.

“If the producers say they don’t want you on the show and then, because of circumstance, they need to ask you to come back then they are going to put you with who they think will lose the competition."


^ She sounds miffed to me ^

I promise I'm not having a go at Aliona for the sake of it. But she agreed to replace an injured pro, knowing she'd likely be paired with Tony, and then moaned about it. Makes no sense at all. Why didn't she just decline the request to come back?”

Me too but it is hardly surprising though if you have been in the final two years in a row and won that you would be disappointed / miffed to get a non competitor. I never understand why people were surprised last year when Artem was disappointed when paired with Fern but he played the game and learnt something.

The pros are competitive dancers of course they want the best just like fans of pros who want their favourite pro to get the best dancer we are all human but sometimes you need to play the game otherwise they will replace you as I have said earlier no one is bigger than the show. I like Aliona but she has a habit of saying or doing things that are not the smartest moves in terms of strictly. It was her decision to come back knowing she would get a non contender and knowing that she was fired/axed.
edy10
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I'm not sure why Aliona's miffed?

If she was convinced when asked to come back that they'd partner her with someone who wouldn't last long, she had the option to say no thanks. No one FORCED her to fill in.

Be grateful for the opportunity. Tons of dancers would kill for a gig on Strictly - however long or short.”

Well said. I concur.
edy10
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by katkim:
“I think the same as you. If it hadn't been Aliona, it would have had to be another pro, and not sure why Aliona or any pro should feel they should only partner likely winners and it's a big conspiracy when maybe just maybe it was their turn to get a less able partner - the same as when Darren got Gloria Huniford, Flavia got Jimmy Tarbuck, Ola got Paul Daniels and Anton getting Ann Widdecombe.

Also, I know they are all competitive and want to stay in as long as possible, but someone has to go first. That's the nature of the show, and that is partly up to us, not the BBC.”

I agree.
-Sid-
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by kp2ni:
“MIt was her decision to come back knowing she would get a non contender and knowing that she was fired/axed.”

That's it in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“I think she moaned about the way Tony was treated by the judges. It is interesting that Craig who is obsessed with hands/arms did not notice how nice Tony's were in the waltz on the Saturday night. Funny he did on ITTon the Monday. No wonder she was miffed. She was not miffed she got Tony. He was a lovely partner and they became good friends.”

I thought Aliona had two gripes. One was about the way Tony was treated, the other about the way she was treated.

If she anticipated being paired with someone who stood no chance, and was unhappy about this, but still accepted the invitation to return to the show, then she can't complain afterwards about that decision.
jake lyle
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“She says BBC producers gave her the contestant they were sure would be booted out first because they had been forced to rehire her after axing her from the series earlier this year.

The pro dancer, brought back to replace injured Natalie Lowe, said: “I knew 100 per cent I’d be paired with Tony. It was so obvious to me.

“If the producers say they don’t want you on the show and then, because of circumstance, they need to ask you to come back then they are going to put you with who they think will lose the competition."


^ She sounds miffed to me ^

I promise I'm not having a go at Aliona for the sake of it. But she agreed to replace an injured pro, knowing she'd likely be paired with Tony, and then moaned about it. Makes no sense at all. Why didn't she just decline the request to come back?”

Post of the day
bornfree
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“That's it in a nutshell.



I thought Aliona had two gripes. One was about the way Tony was treated, the other about the way she was treated.

If she anticipated being paired with someone who stood no chance, and was unhappy about this, but still accepted the invitation to return to the show, then she can't complain afterwards about that decision.”


Yes true, but perhaps she didn't anticipate developing respect for Tony. It was clear she liked the bloke and had a lot of respect for him. I am glad she's spoken out. BBC really do have a nasty habit of treating people badly IMO.
jake lyle
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I Arlene Phillips IMO was a brilliant judge.”

There goes your credibility. 'I want RAW SEX'
bornfree
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“There goes your credibility. 'I want RAW SEX'”

Ah come on, surely I am allowed an opinion. What is it about SCD forum this year, people seem to be telling others off for having an opinion. You might not like Arelene Phillips, but I do.
fatskia
13-10-2013
People keep saying that she complained about being paired with Tony.

All she did was state that she knew it was going to happen. She has not complained about being paired with Tony.
tabithakitten
13-10-2013
I'm not Aliona's biggest fan (ha!) but it's very easy to criticise with the words - "It was her decision to return" and "She should have said no".

I imagine SCD is a fairly well-remunerated gig and I wouldn't think many pro dancers could afford to turn it down. Aliona may well have wanted to flip the V at the BBC and tell them to stuff their last minute save-your-@rses offer but financial sense prevailed. And now, having had the experience she always thought she was likely to get, she thinks that was the final throw of the dice so she might as well get some satisfaction by saying what she thinks.

I very much doubt we'll see her within several miles of Strictly in the future so I wish her well with whatever she does.
suelovesshoes
13-10-2013
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“Yes true, but perhaps she didn't anticipate developing respect for Tony. It was clear she liked the bloke and had a lot of respect for him. I am glad she's spoken out. BBC really do have a nasty habit of treating people badly IMO.”

If my employer said that they would have to ‘let me go’ a year ago, I would have great pleasure in telling them to efffffff off if they realised later that they actually needed me back! She wasn’t good enough last year.......hahaha, I’d love to see them grovelling!
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